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These days it's practically trendy to have lots of kids. Look at Brangelina. Or the Duggars. But a recent episode of WEtv's "Secret Lives of Women" focuses on the Quiverfull movement and shows the darker side of big, Quiverfull families.


As Kathryn Joyce, author of Quiverfull: Inside the Christian Patriarchy Movement, reveals in the episode, the movement began in the 1980s as a reaction to feminism. "Good" Christian women, many of them in the home-schooling community, embraced homemaking as their highest calling and left family planning in God's hands.

Says Rachel Scott, a mother of eight and grandmother of one who was featured in the episode, "I believe conceiving children and giving birth is an act of worship. You're submitting to God's goal for the planet and God's goal for you as a woman." She adds that women should submit to men, in her opinion.

But not all Quiverfull mothers are happy being submissive to God and their husbands. Although Vyckie Garrison was involved in the movement for 14 years, she divorced her husband and left the Quiverfull movement after her daughter attempted suicide.




"That was not part of what we had signed up for when we got into the whole Quiverfull belief," she explains in the episode. "We were a godly family. We were doing things God's way."

Garrison says that after that wake-up call, she apologized to her kids for putting God, her husband and the Quiverfull movement ahead of herself and her children. "Now I'm gonna put you guys first," she promised.

So who's right? Well, perhaps Garrison puts it best when she says, "there is no one-size-fits-all model" for families.




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[info]mattchew03
2009-11-15 11:46 am UTC (link)
WALK, WALK, DUGGARS, BABY, WORK IT, MAKE JIM BOB GO CRAZY, WALK WALK, DUGGARS, BABY, WORK IT, MAKE THEM WANT YO BABY

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[info]shouldbehome
2009-11-15 11:48 am UTC (link)
LMFAO.

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[info]rooo2184
2009-11-15 11:46 am UTC (link)
people should not be allowed to have so many kids >:( we need to start figuring out ways to cut down the population, and a bunch of dumb rednecks popping out 12 kids is the last thing we need.

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[info]portiri
2009-11-15 11:47 am UTC (link)
But they're making up for the too many islams and black people in the world!

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[info]puta_estupida
2009-11-15 11:49 am UTC (link)
These people make me fear for humanity!

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[info]erin_chupacabra
2009-11-15 11:52 am UTC (link)
I'm really not down with making God a sandwich.

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[info]donthateme1988
2009-11-15 11:54 am UTC (link)
Idgi are you saying God eats babies :(

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[info]atoned
2009-11-15 11:52 am UTC (link)
that was really really sad :(

i come from a big family. it sucks for me but other people with big families love it *shrug*

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[info]khd
2009-11-15 12:22 pm UTC (link)
What don't you like about it? I only have one sibling and we don't get along at all, so I don't know if having more brothers or sisters would be fun or not.

I do wish I was closer with my extended family though. My dads brothers and sisters are spread around the globe (Australians living in Spain, England and Canada) so I never get to see any of my cousins.

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[info]rozeecheekz
2009-11-15 11:52 am UTC (link)
I'm terrified to have kids, so I'll pass thanks!

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[info]shanny_w
2009-11-16 02:49 am UTC (link)
I only see myself adopting.

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[info]ugly_jacket
2009-11-15 11:52 am UTC (link)
i don't remember the last 4 hours because i was drunk but according to my itunes i listened to "telephone" 57 times, i'm just thinking of how awesome the music video would be if i staged a choreographed dance with 18 children

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[info]atoned
2009-11-15 11:53 am UTC (link)
i need to hear that again. it's so forgettable.

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[info]puta_estupida
2009-11-15 11:54 am UTC (link)
Mental illness not part of ~God's~ plan? THANK GOD THAT LADY WOKE THE FUCK UP!

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[info]erin_chupacabra
2009-11-15 11:58 am UTC (link)
Word.

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[info]pumpkinpnts
2009-11-15 11:59 am UTC (link)
The Duggars seem to be one of most grounded, well-behaved and lovely families I've ever seen.

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[info]ugly_jacket
2009-11-15 12:02 pm UTC (link)
but behind the scenes they allow their kids to read the bible in really low lighting and all their kids are going to need glasses when they're older, child abuse!!!

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[info]ztrellitaa
2009-11-15 12:02 pm UTC (link)
Idgi, God tells you that is a sin to use birth control, but God also tells you that sex as something else but a mean for reproduction is a sin.

So, don't you have a say in how many kids you'll have? Do people that religiously just choose the sin they feel more comfortable with?

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[info]puta_estupida
2009-11-15 12:07 pm UTC (link)
Mind baffling, isn't it. I swore there was something in the bible saying don't live beyond your means.

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Tsk.
[info]aqueousmartini5
2009-11-15 12:03 pm UTC (link)
the movement began in the 1980s as a reaction to feminism. "Good" Christian women, many of them in the home-schooling community, embraced homemaking as their highest calling

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2009-11-15 03:17 pm UTC (link)
mte

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[info]introdelusion
2009-11-15 12:04 pm UTC (link)
Hey ONTD, how many kids do you want?

I want 3

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[info]ugly_jacket
2009-11-15 12:04 pm UTC (link)
0, or 1 that i adopt, and i am open to being a foster parent once i get my shit together

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[info]otherjoseph
2009-11-15 12:08 pm UTC (link)
The reason this ~movemtn~ bothers me isn't because of how many babies women give birth to, but how many babies they felt obligated to churn out.

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[info]otherjoseph
2009-11-15 12:11 pm UTC (link)
wtf, MOVEMENT.

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[info]buffy_usa
2009-11-15 12:08 pm UTC (link)
mysoginy personified

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[info]saint4u
2009-11-15 12:13 pm UTC (link)
Like freakin' gremlins. They just keep popping out one after another.

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[info]harmless_chaos
2009-11-15 06:07 pm UTC (link)
LMAO

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[info]ctheb
2009-11-15 12:14 pm UTC (link)

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[info]mattchew03
2009-11-15 12:21 pm UTC (link)
DO NOT FUCK MY BITCH UP BY PLAYING REMIXES SHE IS A GROWN ASS WOMAN AND DESERVES ALL THE #DORKSIDED TALK SHE WANT.

RELATED: http://mattchew03.tumblr.com/post/241232697/the-night-dinalohan-went-the-way-of-the-god

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[info]khd
2009-11-15 12:15 pm UTC (link)
WTF I don't think anybody "signs up" for having suicidal kids regardless of their involvement in quiverfull or not.

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[info]all15minutefame
2009-11-15 12:54 pm UTC (link)
mte

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[info]agyoi
2009-11-15 12:19 pm UTC (link)
mix that up with Twitards and you get a "Twilight child army" in no time

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[info]erin_chupacabra
2009-11-15 12:22 pm UTC (link)
Oh fuck, the horror!

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[info]fagme
2009-11-15 12:24 pm UTC (link)
ergh, christians.
this fixation with having tons of children for the sake of it is just retarded.

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[info]puta_estupida
2009-11-15 12:48 pm UTC (link)
There are children out there that they can convert.

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[info]kriziasupernova
2009-11-15 12:48 pm UTC (link)
watching that made me sad. I have an aunt who puts God ahead of her family. Too much emphasis on God, not enough being there for her kids. :(

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[info]saintevie
2009-11-15 03:00 pm UTC (link)
i have an aunt that puts oprah in from of her family. i'm not even kidding.

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[info]nappyxheadedxho
2009-11-15 12:54 pm UTC (link)
I love how in that picture all the boys are wearing blue shirts and the girls are wearing pink shirts. Never too young for gender roles!

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[info]erin_chupacabra
2009-11-15 12:58 pm UTC (link)
That one woman is in a striped shirt. Lesbian.

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[info]agyoi
2009-11-15 01:02 pm UTC (link)
there's another tragedy going on there: hairdos.

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[info]erin_chupacabra
2009-11-15 01:31 pm UTC (link)
LOL! TBH when I was watching that video the main thing I focused on were the bangs, and how they had not evolved for about 20 years.

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[info]rinygrin
2009-11-15 01:14 pm UTC (link)
ONTD: What would you do or say if your partner wanted to have that many kids with you?

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[info]missingalphabet
2009-11-15 01:19 pm UTC (link)
Bye.

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Fuck you, motherfucker - [info]harmless_chaos, 2009-11-15 06:20 pm UTC (Expand)
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[info]missingalphabet
2009-11-15 01:26 pm UTC (link)
IDGI, IDGI. Kids aren't trifles, they're a serious job and responsibility. They have real lives and they should be taken seriously. I don't have the emotional capability and stress tolerance to handle worrying about and mentoring to, never mind taking total care of, a bunch of kids. I would care about each so much that having so many to care so much about would send me to the nut house. I can handle probably at most 3, preferably 2 and that's only if I can get them pre-made because I definitely don't have enough anything to deal with pregnancy.

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[info]slipofsunshine
2009-11-15 09:13 pm UTC (link)
IA with all of this

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[info]satine405
2009-11-15 01:43 pm UTC (link)
I don't know...I have a 14 month old and being pregnant was the single hardest thing I had ever gone through...until child birth, that was worse. Id love to have another kid if it was handed to me, but not sure I want to go through the pregnancy and labor stuff again. I can't imagine going through that 9, 10, 11 times. *shudder*

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[info]erin_chupacabra
2009-11-15 02:02 pm UTC (link)
Perhaps you get used to it the 10th time around.

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