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Comic book creator unhappy his character is a gar.



Rob Liefeld isn’t happy about the latest plot development involving Shatterstar, the Marvel superhero he introduced 18 years ago.

Last week’s X-Factor #45 ended years of speculation, and in-story hints, about the relationship between Shatterstar and Rictor by showing the former X-Force teammates — both C-list players in the X-Men universe — reuniting with a kiss.

On his blog, X-Factor writer Peter David assured fans the development “isn’t a fake out.”

Liefeld, however, wishes otherwise.

“… I have nothing against gays, I have gay family, nuthin’ but love here,” he wrote on his message board (registration required). “Ditto gay characters if that’s what their true origins are.

“As the guy that created, designed and wrote his first dozen appearances, Shatterstar is not gay. Sorry. Can’t wait to someday undo this. Seems totally contrived.”

Created by Liefeld and Fabian Nicieza, Shatterstar debuted in New Mutants #99 (March 1991) before becoming a fixture of X-Force when the series launched a few months later.

Like Cable before him, Shatterstar was the quintessential early-’90s Marvel — and Liefeld — superhero. Wearing shoulder pads and countless pouches and wielding an oversized sword, Shatterstar was a genetically engineered warrior from another dimension. With a flowing rattail.

He initially was depicted as asexual, and struggling to understand human behavior. What he wasn’t, Liefeld insists, is gay.

When a forum member pointed out that other writers continued to flesh out the character after Liefeld left Marvel — some even dropped apparent clues about his sexuality and his relationship with Rictor — Liefeld responded: “Your opinion doesn’t change the fact that it sucks and it’s not a positive move in most fans’ eyes. And it’s all well and fine that you don’t respect a creator’s wishes or intent. I’m different like that.”

Later he added, “Shatterstar is akin to Maximus in Gladiator. He’s a warrior, a Spartan, and not a gay one.”

Source.

Peter David has responded in the comments section of the article.


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[info]hearty_chili
2009-07-05 04:14 am UTC (link)
Peter David is a huge goober, but LOL ROB LIEFELD

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[info]partypleaser
2009-07-05 04:14 am UTC (link)
ROB LEIFELDS OPINION IS NOT VALID UNTIL HE LEARNS HOW TO FUCKING DRAW.

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[info]lidane
2009-07-05 04:16 am UTC (link)
THIS x 1000000000000000

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Just commenting to say... - [info]kxo, 2009-07-05 03:41 pm UTC (Expand)
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[info]ineedrachel
2009-07-05 04:14 am UTC (link)
You're so GAR. :)

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[info]silken_floss
2009-07-05 04:15 am UTC (link)
LOL I DIDN'T WANT TO BE THE ONE TO POINT THIS TYPO OUT :)

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[info]subeyda
2009-07-05 04:15 am UTC (link)
ALL Spartans warriors were gay.

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[info]turncoatliar
2009-07-05 04:16 am UTC (link)
lol, glad I'm not the only one who thought this.

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[info]turncoatliar
2009-07-05 04:16 am UTC (link)
IF HE IS A SPARTAN, HE DOES THE DIRTY DIRTY WITH MEN, OKAY?
THAT'S WHAT SPARTANS DID.

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[info]enfeebledchi
2009-07-05 04:17 am UTC (link)
lmao this

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[info]mistyraven
2009-07-05 04:16 am UTC (link)
On the one hand, I can understand what he means about what the character was intended to be. Some characters are gay, some aren't. On the other hand, he did leave Marvel, and he just sounds like he's being kinda douche-ish about it. Plus, characters can change as the story does. Sometimes it's the best plot development, and you just need to get over it.

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[info]sillycucumber
2009-07-05 04:34 am UTC (link)
MTE.

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[info]shazamy
2009-07-05 04:16 am UTC (link)
"Can’t wait to someday undo this. Seems totally contrived.”
Really?! 'cause it's been apparent for YEARS!

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[info]hp_humper
2009-07-05 04:16 am UTC (link)
oy. enough with the 'gar' word.

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[info]heyignatzmouse
2009-07-05 04:21 am UTC (link)
where did it come from?

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[info]enfeebledchi
2009-07-05 04:16 am UTC (link)
Awww, oh no.

Sorry, when a character moves from writer to writer, they're basically allowed to do what they want, especially in superhero comics.

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[info]behindthechalet
2009-07-05 05:41 am UTC (link)
I enjoy your icon.

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[info]estasoyyooo
2009-07-05 04:17 am UTC (link)
I love watching men kiss for some reason. Apparently this is common in lesbians

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[info]turncoatliar
2009-07-05 04:18 am UTC (link)
I'm straight, but I do too.

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[info]yesdrizella
2009-07-05 04:21 am UTC (link)
I'm not familiar with Marvel (or current comic continuity, for that matter), but I'd venture a guess that Shatterstar's sexuality was never an important part of his character when Liefield was writing him, so it shouldn't be such a big deal.

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[info]kannkann
2009-07-05 04:21 am UTC (link)
is liefeld the one who never draws feet

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[info]rc
2009-07-05 04:46 am UTC (link)
Yup

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[info]supadupalove
2009-07-05 04:22 am UTC (link)
idgaf, gar will never fail to make me laugh. If even just a little bit.

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[info]holymackeral
2009-07-05 04:22 am UTC (link)
rob leifeld can kiss my fucking ass from now until eternity

plus all the spartans loved cock so suck it up & deal

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[info]gap07
2009-07-05 04:24 am UTC (link)
Get over it asswipe. Comic books need more gay characters.

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[info]shazamy
2009-07-05 04:25 am UTC (link)
I pray for the day we get a Billy Teddy make out.

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[info]ahkna
2009-07-05 04:24 am UTC (link)
Aww, poor thing. It's almost like they made the character into a mass murderer or something. But gay is WORSE.

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[info]holymackeral
2009-07-05 04:24 am UTC (link)
oh and The 40 Worst Rob Liefeld Drawings

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[info]ahkna
2009-07-05 04:27 am UTC (link)
Thanks for posting this. I'm going be amused for a while now.

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[info]bullshit_queen
2009-07-05 04:25 am UTC (link)
this is the only way you will get me to read american comics, so shut ur piehole Rob

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[info]pengy737
2009-07-05 04:25 am UTC (link)
a Spartan, and not a gay one.

Does not compute.

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[info]neko_oni
2009-07-05 04:25 am UTC (link)
I can understand you have a vision for your character and it sucks to be changed. But then again, you left --get over it.

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[info]meaghan1345
2009-07-05 04:26 am UTC (link)
LOL, he was a Spartan, he's automatically bi-sexual at the very least.

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[info]vertebraesque
2009-07-05 04:26 am UTC (link)
I bet you ten bucks that this guy wouldn't be busting out the "but I created him as asexual!" protests if they did a "Shatterstar gets involved with a woman" plot line, and that he only cares (and brings up the intended asexuality) because of the icky gay.

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[info]pengy737
2009-07-05 04:28 am UTC (link)
Only ten bucks? Hell, bet your life savings on it.

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[info]je_ne_sais_twat
2009-07-05 04:27 am UTC (link)
"Wearing shoulder pads and countless pouches and wielding an oversized sword...With a flowing rattail"

YOU BETTAH WERQ!

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[info]jigglemypuff
2009-07-05 04:29 am UTC (link)
I would hate if I created a character, only to have another writer change them dramatically years later. That goes for anything, not just being gay.

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[info]pengy737
2009-07-05 04:32 am UTC (link)
Well, then you probably shouldn't be in a business where other writers will be using and changing your character. Unless you want to make them sign some sort of contract of what they have to do with the character.

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[info]jebe
2009-07-05 04:30 am UTC (link)
lol oh rob liefeld

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