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Some cute MJ stories/memories from people he worked with...


I was fortunate enough to work with MJ early in my career. He was an incredible artist. Talented beyond your wildest dreams. Extremely generous, and a hard worker. I actually went from a staff assistant at the Hit Factory in NYC to freelance engineer under Swedien and MJ. They were due to start in Los Angeles when the Northridge earthquake hit so they moved to New York. One room was all Bruce, the second room was the writing room. I started assisting Bruce's writing partner Rene Moore. I would track stuff with Rene, and Bruce would come in and tell me what I did wrong, sit in for a few hours and set us straight. After a couple months MJ arrived and the entire tour rig was moved in along with Brad Buxer, Andrew Scheps, and Eddie Delena. I continued to assist them until the whole crew moved to L.A., they decided to take me with them. I would assist Bruce during the day, and help out every where else at night - assisting, engineering, programming, and on one song playing guitar. We had two rooms at Record One, and two rooms at Larrabee where I met John. At one point in NYC we had just about every room at the Hit Factory. The crew was great, and I learned so much from all of them. I learned to engineer from Bruce Swedien, John, and Eddie, and got to sit in with producers like MJ, Jam And Lewis, Babyface, David Foster, Teddy Riley, and Dallas Austin.

I was actually asked to leave the project early on because there were too many people around and MJ didn't know me. Luckily, I was rehired about 10 days later. At the wrap party MJ apologized profusely, and expressed his gratitude. Truly the most sincere man you will ever meet.

Some random memories:


One morning MJ came in with a new song he had written overnight. We called in a guitar player, and Michael sang every note of every chord to him. "here's the first chord first note, second note, third note. Here's the second chord first note, second note, third note", etc., etc. We then witnessed him giving the most heartfelt and profound vocal performance, live in the control room through an SM57.

He would sing us an entire string arrangement, every part. Steve Porcaro once told me he witnessed MJ doing that with the string section in the room. Had it all in his head, harmony and everything. Not just little eight bar loop ideas. he would actually sing the entire arrangement into a micro-cassette recorder complete with stops and fills.

At one point Michael was angry at one of the producers on the project because he was treating everyone terribly. Rather than create a scene or fire the guy, Michael called him to his office/lounge and one of the security guys threw a pie in his face. No further action was needed . . . . .

During the recording of "Smile" on HIStory, Bruce thought it would be great if Michael would sing live with the orchestra. But of course, we didn't tell the players that. We set him up in a vocal booth off to the side. They rehearsed a bit without vocals in, then during the first take Michael sang, just about knocked them out of their chairs.

His beatboxing was without parallel, and his time was ridiculous.

His sense of harmony was incredible. Never a bad note, no tuning, even his breathing was perfectly in time.

Once, while we were taking a break, I think we were actually watching the OJ chase on TV, there was a news program talking about him being in Europe with some little boy. I was sitting next to the guy while the news is making this crap up. He just looked at me and said this is what I have to deal with.

I spent close to 3 years working with him, and not once did I question his morals, or ever believe any of the allegations. I wasn't even a fan then. I saw him interact with his brothers kids, other people's children, and at one point my own girlfriend's kids. I got to spend a day at Neverland with them. A completely incredible human being, always looking for a way to make all children's lives better. Every weekend at Neverland was donated to a different children's group - children with AIDS, children cancer, etc., and most of the time he wasn't there.

He was simply living the childhood he never had. In many ways he never grew up.

I was assisting Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis while they recorded the background vocals for "Scream" with MJ and Janet. The two of them singing together was amazing. Super tight, no bad notes. One part after another. When they took a break they sang the showtunes they used to sing as kids. Again, perfect harmony. Mj refused to sing the "stop f*ckin' with me part" because he would NOT curse.

I was the tape op for the recording of the background vocals on "Stranger in Moscow". Scared the hell out me. Michael was dropping in and out on syllables, rearranging the notes and timing as he put it down. No Pro Tools at the time, just 2" tape, and my punches.

I erased a live keyboard overdub that he played one night. He came in the next morning, replaced it, and never uttered another word about it.

I was there when Lisa Marie was around. They acted like two kids in love. Held hands all the time, and she hung out at the studio for quite a while. I never questioned their love for each other.

We recorded a Christmas song during the summer of '94 that needed a children's choir. Michael insisted that the entire studio be decorated with xmas lights, tree, fake snow and a sled for their recording. And he bought presents for everyone.

The last weekend of recording on HIStory he came to me and Eddie Delena, and said "I'm sorry, but I don't think any of us are going to sleep this weekend. There's a lot to get done, and we have to go to Bernie on Monday morning". He stayed at the studio the entire time, singing, and mixing. I got to spend a couple quiet moments with him during that time. We talked about John Lennon one night as he was gearing up to sing the last vocal of the record - the huge ad libs at the end of "earth song". I told him the story of John singing "twist and shout" while being sick, and though most people think he was screaming for effect, it was actually his voice giving out. He loved it, and then went in to sing his heart out. . . .

Later that night, while mixing, everyone left the room so MJ could turn it up. This was a common occurrence during the mixes, and I was left in the room with ear plugs, and hands over my ears, in case he needed something. This particular night, all the lights were out and we noticed some blue flashes intermittently lighting up the room during playback. After a few moments we could see that one of the speakers (custom quad augspuergers) was shooting blue flames. Mj liked this and proceeded to push all the faders up . . . .

MJ liked hot water while he was singing. I mean really hot !!!!! It got to the point that I would melt plastic spoons to test it.

Bruce and I were talking about walking to the studio everyday in NYC, and what routes we took. Michael looked at us and said we were so lucky to be able to do that. He couldn't walk down the street without being harassed. It was a sad moment for all of us.

The studio crew got free tickets to the Janet show so we all went right from work one night. About halfway through the show we see this dude with a long beard, dressed in robes dancing in the aisle behind. I mean really dancing . . . it was Mj in disguise. Kind of like the costume Chevy Chase wears in Fletch while roller skating.

He got one of the first playstations from sony in his lounge . . . we snuck in late at night to play the games that hadn't been released yet.

A couple people on the session hadn't seen Jurassic Park while it was out, so MJ arranged a private screening for us at Sony.

He was a huge fan of Nine Inch Nails Downward Spiral . . . .

I was lucky enough over the course of 3 years to have access to the multitrack masters for tour prep, videos, and archive purposes. To be able to pull these tracks apart was a huge lesson in production, and songwriting. A chance to look into the minds of geniuses.

Of all the records I've worked on, MJJ was the only company to give platinum award records.

One day we just all sat in the studio listening to his catalog with him for inspiration. He loved the process, he loved the work.

- Rob Hoffman (Producer and recording engineer who worked on 'HIStory' with Michael)

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The REAL Story on "Billie Jean"...


Recording and Mixing "Billie Jean"....

The year is 1982. The song is "Billie Jean". The sonic image of Michael Jacksons' "Billie Jean" is a perfect example of what happened, when I sat around dreaming awhile, about combining different recording techniques to produce a unique musical canvas with a tremendous 'sonic personality'.

Of course I was comfortably ensconsed in Westlake Audio’s beautiful new Studio ‘A’ on Beverly Boulevard, with my good friends Quincy Jones, Micheal Jackson and Rod Temperton. We were doing our favorite thing... We were making music!!! We had just started recording Michael Jackson’s album “Thriller”...

We were recording Michael’s song “Billie Jean”.....

I recorded the drums,(played by the fantastic drummer, N'Dugu) with as tight, and powerful a drum sound as I could come up with. Of course I put N'Dugus' drum set on my plywood drum platform. Also at this time, I had a special kick drum cover made that covers the whole front of the kick drum. There's a slot with a zipper in it that the mike fits through. When the kick drum mike is in place, in the slot in my drum cover, I zip the opening tightly shut around the mike.

I brought in my old pal George Massenburgs' spectacular sounding, portable, 12 channel recording console and used it to record the rhythm section. With it I recorded the bass, drums and guitars on my analogue 16 track, with no noise reduction equipment in the way of that fantastic sound!

In my estimation, the the result of the song “Billie Jean”, is a perfect example of what I call “Sonic Personality”. I don’t think there are many recordings, where all you need to hear is the first few drums beats, and you instantly know what song it is.

Great albums always start with great songs....

"Billie Jean" is just such a superb song! Of course, Michael wrote "Billie Jean"..

Quincy says that the lyric that Michael wrote is highly personal. I’m sure that’s true. Michael told us... it was about a girl, that climbed over the wall at Michael’s house, and was lounging out there, by the swimming pool.... she was laying out there, near the pool , lounging... hangin’ out... with shades on, her bathing suit on. One morning she just showed up! Kind of like a stalker, almost. She had accused Michael of being the father of ONE of her twins... Is that possible? I don’t think so....

When it came time for me to mix "Billie Jean", it was business as usual... When I am working with Michael, Quincy, Rod, Jennifer, Sergio and so on..... I am allowed total ceative freedom with the sonics of the music... In other words, I am always left to myself when it is time to mix. My mixes can take hours, days or even weeks.... I firmly believe that a mix is not finished, until it is on a Record for sale at Tower....

So I had been mixing "Billie Jean" for a day or two. I’d do a mix. ..... Say I was up to mix number 2.... (At that time I was mixing onto 1/2” analogue.) I thought it was killer!!!

I called MJ, Quincy and Rod into the control room and played mix 2 for them. They loved it!!! They were all dancing and carrying on like crazy!!! Smiles all around! Then Michael slipped out of the control room, turned around and motioned to me to follow him... Then he whispered to me, “Please Bruce, it’s perfect, but turn the Bass up just a tiny bit, and do one more mix, please....” I said to him...”OK Smelly, no problem”...

(When we were recording “Off The Wall”, Quincy gave Michael the nickname of “Smelly” because when Michael liked a groove, he’d call it “Smelly Jelly.” Also Michael doesn’t curse, and when MJ wants to say a bad word he’ll simply call it “Smelly”... The name has stuck...)

Then I went back into the control room to add Michael’s tiny bit of bass to my mix... Quincy pulled me over into the corner and said “Please Svensk... “(Svensk is Quincy’s nickname for me. It means “Swedish Man” in Swedish... When you have a genuine Quincy Jones nickname like ‘Svensk” - You are truly honored....) Q said to me.... “Add a little garlic salt to the snare and the kick. Just a squirt!!!”) so I went back into the control room and added a little garlic salt to the snare and the kick. Just a squirt!!! Now I was up to mix 20 on "Billie Jean".

Well, this went on for about a week. Soon I was up to mix 91!!! I had a stack of 1/2 inch tapes almost to the ceiling!!! I would do a few mixes, we’d listen... Then do a few more. We had it PERFECT!!! We thought we had a really ‘HOT’ mix on “Billie Jean”. I played Mix 91 for the boys... Everybody smiled... but Quincy had one of his funny looks on his face...

I thought.... Hmmmm.... Oh, Oh....

Quincy said “You know Svensk, just for the fun of it, can we listen to one of your earlier mixes???” My heart jumped because I knew that my earlier mixes were dynamite!!! Then Quincy said, “Let’s hear mix number 2!!!” Oh WOW!!!! Hallelujah!!! I love mix 2!!!!

We listened to mix 2... IT WAS SLAMMIN’!!! EVERYONE IN THE STUDIO WAS GROOVIN’ AND DANCIN’ and HAPPY, and actin’ IGNORANT!!!!

Well, here’s the deal. When “Thriller” was released to the Whole World by Epic Records, on Tuesday, November 30, 1982, it went to Tower Records with MIX 2 OF "Billie Jean" on it!!! AND, when the single of "Billie Jean" came out it was MIX 2!!!

The REAL Story of "Billie Jean"...

- Bruce Swedien (Sound engineer on 'Thriller')

If you click on the source and read through the thread, there are a few more stories from Rob as well as someone else who worked with him, but a lot of it is technical studio talk really.



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[info]quote_me_once
2009-07-04 03:09 am UTC (link)
lol a pie in the face

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[info]kryptongirl
2009-07-04 04:55 am UTC (link)
Seriously, that's amazing. I wish I was able to do this to rude people that I work with.

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[info]healthypanda
2009-07-04 03:09 am UTC (link)
I read the Vanity Fair investigative articles yesterday...kind of wishing I hadn't :\ But regardless, it still doesn't take away from the fact that he was an incredible musician and performer.

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[info]dissention_1
2009-07-04 03:15 am UTC (link)
the first two articles (the ones dated '94 & '95) repulsed me. like whoa. i still haven't finished the others.

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[info]monte_j90
2009-07-04 03:10 am UTC (link)
That gif :'(

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[info]jheathbar
2009-07-04 03:28 am UTC (link)
Omg bb, I was just thinking that. The little smile is so heart braking but still so wonderful.

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[info]je_ne_sais_twat
2009-07-04 03:11 am UTC (link)
"Michael called him to his office/lounge and one of the security guys threw a pie in his face"

uncontrollable lulz omg

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[info]bienmenudo
2009-07-04 03:36 am UTC (link)
I love your icon. I sort of felt like this was what Beyonce was trying to convey at the BET awards, but something was a little off.

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[info]stuckmodebabe
2009-07-04 03:11 am UTC (link)
LOL at the guy getting a pie right in the kisser.

That gif is just :(

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[info]jadore_shia
2009-07-04 03:12 am UTC (link)
That gif always gets me :'(

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[info]mirrormirror1
2009-07-04 03:12 am UTC (link)
That's the first time i've seen that gif. :'(

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[info]hbk_aholic
2009-07-04 03:13 am UTC (link)
<3

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[info]forsaken_eve
2009-07-04 03:13 am UTC (link)
That picture is gorgeous and sad at the same time.

The gif breaks my heart...


Ok now off to read the post!

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[info]votero
2009-07-04 03:14 am UTC (link)
billie jean is a masterpiece, i enjoyed reading that.

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[info]suzycat
2009-07-04 04:16 am UTC (link)
It is, but tragically stories of the recording have been tainted by the Popbitch allegation that coked-up Quincy Jones kicked the shit out of MJ saying "I said no squeaks, motherfucker!!!!

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[info]persoaltramont
2009-07-04 03:14 am UTC (link)
omg lol @ that pie story

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[info]je_ne_sais_twat
2009-07-04 03:18 am UTC (link)
seriously, i just imagine him sitting there like the godfather or something while one of his boys just pies a guy's face then he asks "any questions?" and moonwalks out of the room.

yeah, i've been up for 2 days...

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[info]arcaneaspersion
2009-07-04 03:14 am UTC (link)
STILL the best part of this "He was a huge fan of Nine Inch Nails Downward Spiral . . . . "

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[info]jesusnachos
2009-07-04 03:23 am UTC (link)
mj's life was a downward spiral.. perhaps he could relate

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[info]sonorific
2009-07-04 03:14 am UTC (link)
All this MJ stuff still makes my heart ache a little :/

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[info]jaluxe
2009-07-04 04:14 am UTC (link)
me too :(

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[info]herconundrum
2009-07-04 03:15 am UTC (link)
so what do you guys think?
shamone or cha'mone?

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[info]jmclive
2009-07-04 03:16 am UTC (link)
shamone, I think

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[info]anticipating
2009-07-04 03:15 am UTC (link)
that is the saddest/happiest gif of him ever.

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[info]shanny_w
2009-07-04 04:59 am UTC (link)
HOLD FOR APPLAUSE. HOLD FOR APPLAUSE.

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[info]la_geni
2009-07-04 03:15 am UTC (link)
Yay, you used my icon picture. Love it bb.

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[info]demi32
2009-07-04 03:15 am UTC (link)
this is awesome post...thanks for this..i'm going to read the rest because this is so interesting...thks bb

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[info]pompouscunt
2009-07-04 07:12 pm UTC (link)
np bb. x

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[info]andysachs
2009-07-04 03:16 am UTC (link)
That gif breaks my heart so much dkfjgdf

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[info]yankgrrl0224
2009-07-04 03:16 am UTC (link)
i miss him.

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[info]forsaken_eve
2009-07-04 03:26 am UTC (link)
Me too :(

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[info]xlickety_splitx
2009-07-04 03:16 am UTC (link)
She had accused Michael of being the father of ONE of her twins... Is that possible? I don’t think so....

Technically if they're fraternal it's possible... but she'd have had to have fucked each man within like minutes of each other.

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[info]forsaken_eve
2009-07-04 03:27 am UTC (link)
That part sort of reminded me of the Khalid Lucifer's daughter person. Ngl, I lolled.

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[info]cuntery
2009-07-04 03:16 am UTC (link)
I always assumed his obsession/fondness for children was due to the fact that he probably really didn't have a childhood, and tried to live vicariously through them.

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[info]mirrormirror1
2009-07-04 03:19 am UTC (link)
Yep. Have you listened to his song "Childhood"? It explains it pretty well.

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2009-07-04 03:17 am UTC (link)

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[info]heythatsmybike
2009-07-04 03:17 am UTC (link)
reading all of this was nice, but this:


Michael called him to his office/lounge and one of the security guys threw a pie in his face

made me lol so hard

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[info]xlickety_splitx
2009-07-04 03:18 am UTC (link)
At one point Michael was angry at one of the producers on the project because he was treating everyone terribly. Rather than create a scene or fire the guy, Michael called him to his office/lounge and one of the security guys threw a pie in his face. No further action was needed . . . . .

LOLOL!!

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[info]shanny_w
2009-07-04 04:35 am UTC (link)
LOL 4ever. MJ you knew how to play it boy.♥

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[info]cherisheddesire
2009-07-04 03:18 am UTC (link)
"The studio crew got free tickets to the Janet show so we all went right from work one night. About halfway through the show we see this dude with a long beard, dressed in robes dancing in the aisle behind. I mean really dancing . . . it was Mj in disguise. Kind of like the costume Chevy Chase wears in Fletch while roller skating."

Omg :)
And the pie in the face story just killed me. <333

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