Emily ([info]chung_____chung) wrote in [info]ohnotheydidnt,
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Vogue Italia's black model issue
June 19, 2008
Conspicuous by Their Presence
Cathy Horyn


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I had to include miss Tyra's picture from the issue

Racial prejudice in the fashion industry has long persisted because of tokenism and lookism. “We already have our black girl,” says a designer to a fashion-show casting agent, declining to see others. Or: “She doesn’t have the right look.” Laziness, paranoia and pedantry may also have something to do with the failure to hire black models for shows and magazine features in any meaningful number, but, hey, that’s just a guess.

A decade ago the thing to deplore was the stereotyping of black models by dressing them in African-inspired clothes (or the Asian girls in kimonos). This at least gave work to minority models, but it also encouraged a Western view of African culture of the many-bangles-many-beads variety.

O.K., so fashion ain’t deep. It looks into a mirror and sees ... itself. The irony in fashion is that it loves change but it can’t actually change anything. It can only reflect a change in the air. But what changes fashion? What would finally move American designers to include more black models on their runways? That 30 percent of the country is nonwhite? That black women spend $20 billion a year on clothes? That an African-American is the presumptive presidential nominee of the Democratic Party?

The answer is the individual eye.



In fashion, one of the most influential eyes belongs to the photographer Steven Meisel. His pictures have caught an America basking in the earnest, self-reflected glow of celebrity and money. He has taken innumerable risks, especially with “Sex,” the 1992 volume he did with Madonna, that have paid off with a career that allows him to do whatever he wants.

And he has almost lovingly photographed some of the world’s beautiful women, tapping into their psyches, connecting with them on a human level, while transforming them into fashion deities.


As the model Veronica Webb, who first worked with Mr. Meisel 20 years ago, said: “Steven knows every single tic, every talent that every girl has. He just pulls it out of them.”

For the July issue of Italian Vogue, Mr. Meisel has photographed only black models. In a reverse of the general pattern of fashion magazines, all the faces are black, and all the feature topics are related to black women in the arts and entertainment. Mr. Meisel was given roughly 100 pages for his pictures. The issue will be on European newsstands next Thursday and in the United States soon after.

Under its editor, Franca Sozzani, Italian Vogue has gained a reputation for being more about art and ideas than commerce. Ms. Sozzani also doesn’t mind controversy.

She said that, as an Italian, she has been intrigued by the American presidential race and Mr. Obama, which was one source of inspiration when she and Mr. Meisel began discussing, in February, the idea of an all-black issue. Also, she was aware of the lack of diversity on the runways in recent years and the debate it fueled last fall in New York, where Bethann Hardison, a former model who ran a successful agency, held two panel discussions on the topic.

Ms. Sozzani said the issue was not a response to criticism that she, too, has under-represented blacks or portrayed them as stereotypes.

“Mine is not a magazine that can be accused of not using black girls,” said Ms. Sozzani, noting that Naomi Campbell has had several covers, and that Liya Kebede and Alek Wek have also had covers.

Having worked at one time with nearly all the models he chose for the black issue — Iman, Ms. Campbell, Tyra Banks, Jourdan Dunn, Ms. Kebede, Ms. Wek, Pat Cleveland, Karen Alexander — Mr. Meisel had his own feelings. “I thought, it’s ridiculous, this discrimination,” said Mr. Meisel, speaking by phone from his home in Los Angeles. “It’s so crazy to live in such a narrow, narrow place. Age, weight, sexuality, race — every kind of prejudice.”

He began casting in March. “I love the history of fashion, obviously, and I love old, and I tried to get as many of the older girls as I could,” he said.

Over Ms. Sozzani’s initial objections, he also hired Toccara Jones, a full-figure model, who became known from “America’s Next Top Model.” “I wanted to say something about weight, and I’m never allowed to do that,” he said. “I met Toccara and thought, she’s beautiful. What’s the deal with her? She’s great and she’s sexy.”


If these pictures have a heightened sense of glamour, it probably has something to do with the atmosphere of a Meisel shoot. According to Ms. Webb, “it’s the darkest studio, like a studio at MGM.”

There are fans and reflectors; many assistants. An area is marked “Hair” and another “Makeup.” (Pat McGrath did all the makeup for the issue, and Guido Palau did the hair.) A mirror is placed behind Mr. Meisel, so the model can see herself.

“It’s a dark world,” Ms. Webb said, “and you’re in the spotlight.”

The four pictures that Ms. Campbell was supposed to make turned into 20. She also appears on the fold-out cover, along with Ms. Kebede, Sessilee Lopez and Ms. Dunn. “Franca doesn’t realize what she’s done for people of color,” Ms. Campbell said the other day. “It reminds me of Yves using all the black models.” She was referring to Yves Saint Laurent, who, like Gianni Versace and a handful of other designers, routinely cast minorities.

Mr. Meisel has his own theories about why black models, save for the token few, have disappeared from runways. “Perhaps the designers, perhaps the magazine editors,” he said. “They are the powerful people. And the advertisers. I have asked my advertising clients so many times, ‘Can we use a black girl?’ They say no.” The concern is that consumers will resist the product, he said. “It all comes down to money.”

Ashley Brokaw, an independent casting agent in New York, believes that designers want more diversity in their casts but, she said, “what they want and what the reality is are two different things.” She thinks that agencies don’t spend enough time to groom new models for the catwalk, making it easy for designers to reject them, and then the cycle of new faces is spinning faster and faster.

But it’s also true that designers, in spite of their creative powers, yearn for the approval of insiders. “They are looking around, over their shoulders, asking, ‘Is that cool?’ ” Mr. Meisel said. He agreed that it’s a crazy kind of paranoia. Whether it’s a new model or hip style, he said with a laugh, “It can only be stated by a certain five people and then they go with it.”

What is striking about Mr. Meisel’s pictures, especially a portrait of Ms. Banks in a soft head-wrap and one of Ms. Lopez in a neat brocade turban, is how much beauty and life he was able to extract from them, so that you almost feel you are seeing these women for the first time.

Ms. Hardison hopes that the Italian Vogue issue (to which she contributed) will open people’s eyes in the industry. “They need to see what they’re missing out there,” she said. This week, in its July issue, American Vogue will have an article about the dearth of black models.

Perhaps no individual, though, will know what it means to be included more than Ms. Lopez. Last year, she barely worked. Ms. Brokaw predicts that after insiders see Mr. Meisel’s pictures, she will have a terrific season.
This kind of perplexes and delights Mr. Meisel.

“Here’s this exquisite girl,” he said, addressing no one in particular. “What don’t you get? She’s a beautiful woman. There was no trick to it.”


http://www.thefashionspot.com/forums/f78/vogue-italia-july-2008-liya-sesilee-jourdan-naomi-steven-meisel-69193.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/19/fashion/19BLACK.html?_r=1&ref=style&oref=slogin



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[info]15th_floor
2008-06-19 11:59 am UTC (link)
i wish they'd given everyone a cover instead of just a fold-out.

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[info]chibi
2008-06-19 12:00 pm UTC (link)
theyre going to use this issue as the reason why they're not racist for the next 5 years issues consisting 95% white models.

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[info]feverously
2008-06-19 12:00 pm UTC (link)
exactly.

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[info]fitfortheunfit
2008-06-19 12:00 pm UTC (link)
I love Tyra's narcissistic ass and I'm not ashamed

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[info]francinefrenski
2008-06-19 01:36 pm UTC (link)
Me too!!! I love how she takes everything she does so seriously

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[info]feverously
2008-06-19 12:03 pm UTC (link)
Does anyone have the full scanned images. I mean, it's great and all, but WHY THE FUCK ARE THE MODELS THE SAME SKIN COLOR? It's like they lightened (using either natural light or technology) to lighten their skin.

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[info]chibi
2008-06-19 12:11 pm UTC (link)
i think if they're going to fake racial acceptance, the least they could have done was use a variety of black models. the fact they're all the same skin tone with long weaves is tacky, tbqh.

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It doesn't come out until next Thursday. - [info]wootles, 2008-06-19 06:18 pm UTC (Expand)

[info]wolfgang1969
2008-06-19 12:07 pm UTC (link)
Honestly. Tyra's pretty, but look at the difference between her bone structure and the other models' bone structure. it just doesn't compare. The other models have amazing cheek bones, very unique faces. Tyra's pretty, but just so..."meh" at the same time. She's also not as good a model as the others.

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[info]wolfgang1969
2008-06-19 12:08 pm UTC (link)
i always thought tyra was pretty, but more "movie star" pretty, rather than "model" pretty

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[info]kyoto19
2008-06-19 12:10 pm UTC (link)
I want to see Toccara!

I bet Tyra is pissed she is being featured alongside one of her minions

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[info]clever_girl
2008-06-19 01:51 pm UTC (link)
lol I bet :) but I'm just happy to see Toccara, I loved her on ANTM

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[info]__papillon
2008-06-19 12:11 pm UTC (link)
this is great, but has everyone forgotten about the whole weight debate? i just feel like in this industry it's so easy to make an issue about something then it will be forgotten months later. everyone was fussing about weight last year, then it died down, then went up with the ali michael thing, then now it's gone again. will it happen to this issue as well?

also, are those aforementioned models the only ones who will be in it? what about arlenis? and that other 17 year old, the one who got an undeserved vogue cover and whose fake name i will not mention?

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[info]weekendromance
2008-06-19 12:13 pm UTC (link)
chanel iman..i'm glad she wasn't mentioned and i hope she's not in the mag though i'm sure she is.

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[info]herrogojira
2008-06-19 12:11 pm UTC (link)
The fact that they have to print a "Black Issue" is just ridiculous. Try incorporating more diversity on a regular basis.

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[info]drunken_lullaby
2008-06-19 02:35 pm UTC (link)
THANK you. Everyone does it, not just fashion--"oh, look, we have black/asian/hispanic/female people...look at how ~*~diverse~*~ we're being!!"

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[info]weekendromance
2008-06-19 12:12 pm UTC (link)
YAY! Jourdan Dunn is on the cover.

But i think this issue might go deeper than race, notice the most americanized and western looking black models are on the cover. Naomi with her weave, and the rest of the girls with their relaxers. I know they say they're scared the product wont by wanted by the masses if it has a black girl on it but they also don't want the girl to be dark and to have her natural hair, as seen in the photos. I kno they're trying to say black models can go beyond the afros and stereotypical tribal wear they put them in but in this case i think it would of been more empowering.

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[info]weekendromance
2008-06-19 12:14 pm UTC (link)
also i'm sure tocorra is excited they only want to feature her because shes fat

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(no subject) - [info]diablosblood, 2008-06-19 06:37 pm UTC (Expand)
also, who are your favorite models in that shoot?
[info]__papillon
2008-06-19 12:14 pm UTC (link)
liya kebede ftw!

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[info]ambeisare
2008-06-19 01:20 pm UTC (link)
ia

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Re: also, who are your favorite models in that shoot? - [info]_ele_, 2008-06-19 01:46 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: also, who are your favorite models in that shoot? - [info]onehotmesstx, 2008-06-19 02:44 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: also, who are your favorite models in that shoot? - [info]mew, 2008-06-19 02:50 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: also, who are your favorite models in that shoot? - [info]shrewtee, 2008-06-19 04:19 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: also, who are your favorite models in that shoot? - [info]mew, 2008-06-19 04:23 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: also, who are your favorite models in that shoot? - [info]shrewtee, 2008-06-19 04:24 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: also, who are your favorite models in that shoot? - [info]ourheavyhearts, 2008-06-19 04:31 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: also, who are your favorite models in that shoot? - [info]mew, 2008-06-19 04:48 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: also, who are your favorite models in that shoot? - [info]ourheavyhearts, 2008-06-19 07:05 pm UTC (Expand)

[info]stoichiometric
2008-06-19 12:15 pm UTC (link)
on one hand, i'm glad there's an issue that features black models, but on the other ... eh. :| i would've been happier to just have more black (and other non-white races) models in their regular issues. it just feels like, "here's your damn issue, now stfd and stfu."

I have asked my advertising clients so many times, ‘Can we use a black girl?’ They say no.” The concern is that consumers will resist the product, he said. “It all comes down to money.”

who are these people?? i'm an avid reader of fashion magazines and i don't decide on whether or not i like a piece of clothing because of the model. >:( ugh.

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[info]weekendromance
2008-06-19 12:31 pm UTC (link)
a lot of designers and fashion snobs don't like black models..mainly because they aren't tolerant of people different from them. There are really people in the fashion world that will turn away a girl who's a size 4 because she's too fat. I know it sounds crazy but this harsh shallow world they speak of in the fashion world does exist

*shudders @ the thoughts*

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[info]smile_andmoveon
2008-06-19 12:19 pm UTC (link)


love her

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[info]chibi
2008-06-19 12:23 pm UTC (link)
alek wek is so fucking fierce.

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[info]itsmimibitch
2008-06-19 12:27 pm UTC (link)
Makes me appreciate Tyra's crazy ass

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[info]pagesixsixsix
2008-06-19 12:46 pm UTC (link)
I think it'd be cooler if it was black and white.

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[info]oji_akarui
2008-06-19 12:52 pm UTC (link)
It's funny - all the models are black, but they made sure they all had European features.

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[info]fuckthediet
2008-06-19 12:59 pm UTC (link)
IA if they were gonna do a black issue. Which imo just makes them seem more prejudiced as they should just have black models in the mag anyway without making a big deal about it. Then at least vary your models... jeez.

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Seriously - [info]asjjh, 2008-06-20 02:11 am UTC (Expand)
Re: Seriously - [info]art_house_queen, 2008-06-20 03:01 pm UTC (Expand)
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[info]flowerings
2008-06-19 12:57 pm UTC (link)
I honestly believe this is the worst idea for a "theme" issue. How about including black (and Asian, Indian, etc etc etc) in all your issues Vogue Italy instead of making a "Hey we aren't racist; we used black for a WHOLE issue, thank you very much" deal.

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[info]_aboutaboy
2008-06-19 12:58 pm UTC (link)
I'm not racist I have black friends...

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[info]multigrain
2008-06-19 02:15 pm UTC (link)
I dated a boy that was half black ... so i'm only half racist

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[info]bitchwhoremuch
2008-06-19 01:02 pm UTC (link)
black model issue?
they've been airbrushed/photoshopped so drastically that they actually don't look black at all.

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[info]britty_stitches
2008-06-19 01:04 pm UTC (link)
This is stupid. Why not have ALL magazines be diverse instead of having to give one race a whole issue?
Fail.

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[info]_quietriot_
2008-06-19 01:16 pm UTC (link)
i really dont get why they can't just include more models of different races (not just white, not just black, but ALL races) in every issue. instead of just making a black issue and then saying "okay you had your black issue so quit complaining about racism now". which is obviously what they're going to do.

i thought fashion was like art, it's supposed to be fun and interesting, and the people who create it are supposed to be imaginative. they don't mind borrowing from other cultures for clothing styles, or doing photoshoots in exotic locations, fashion is a very international industry. so why the hell is it so hard for them to be more diverse with their models? i cant stand it tbh.

they could so easily change things if they wanted to. but they seem to have some sick disgusting agenda.

/rant over

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[info]lechatnoir_njb
2008-06-19 01:22 pm UTC (link)
am i the only one who finds it ridiculous that obama is simply referred to as 'african american' despite his actual background?

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[info]rutalking2me
2008-06-19 01:29 pm UTC (link)
i find it ridiculous too.

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one drop rule, n-e 1? - [info]guiltysweater, 2008-06-19 01:47 pm UTC (Expand)
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Not really - [info]art_house_queen, 2008-06-19 04:15 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Not really - [info]anterrabre, 2008-06-19 07:00 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Not really - [info]art_house_queen, 2008-06-19 08:40 pm UTC (Expand)
Most people in the US are multicultural. - [info]asjjh, 2008-06-20 02:28 am UTC (Expand)
Re: Most people in the US are multicultural. - [info]art_house_queen, 2008-06-20 02:54 pm UTC (Expand)
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[info]wootles
2008-06-19 01:27 pm UTC (link)
Race isn't nearly as big a deal in Italy as it is in the United States. Nor has the whole sickening "politically correct" phenomenon taken over. But it's probably because there isn't much diversity or ethnicity.

Whatever haters...Franca Sozzani is a goddess among lamers.

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[info]zizy
2008-06-19 02:09 pm UTC (link)
It is a big deal, they just prefer not to talk about it.. I've lived there and it's hella racist.

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[info]guiltysweater
2008-06-19 01:46 pm UTC (link)
so... where can i buy this? i don't even care about price.

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[info]strangevisitor
2008-06-19 02:27 pm UTC (link)
Werd.

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(no subject) - [info]sharronica, 2008-06-19 10:59 pm UTC (Expand)
AJUMA ?
[info]adieutristesse
2008-06-19 01:48 pm UTC (link)
Where is Ajuma ?

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[info]ourmutualfiend
2008-06-19 01:50 pm UTC (link)
The styling is hella fug.

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