ikarus8737 ([info]ikarus8737) wrote in [info]octranspo,
@ 2006-10-29 15:19:00
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OC Transpo 101
I've realized that a lot of people don't know how to use the bus system properly and if they did, they would find it a whole lot less frustrating. Here are some tips and then other veteran drivers/riders can add to them. I'm only speaking of route navigation here, not etiquette.

1. Keep moving:
Don't wait for a specific route to come along when you have other choices that will take you in the right direction. Take that bus as far as you can to a place where you have more options. The bus you are waiting for might be late or full.

Example: If you want the #2 or #7 on Rideau and you're going to Bank st. take the 14, 18, 306 to the Rideau Center where you can also catch a #1 or #4. Or if you are waiting for a #2 Blair at Richmond and Woodroffe take the #18 or #87 to Westboro where the #2 leaves every 12 minutes instead of every half hour.

Another reason to keep moving is that sometimes if a bus is late or breaks down, OC control may insert and extra down the line from where you are waiting: let's say a 97 Airport breaks down at Lebreton station, OC control may only cover the trip from South-Keys station to the Airport, so you should always take the 97X South-Keys if it comes first and wait at the last stop for the Airport bus.

2.Don't wait for a bus that will take you right to the door if you can take one that will bring you within a few blocks:

Example: A lot of people wait for the #4 at the Rideau Center to go to the Bus Station when it's only a 3 minute walk from the #1 or #7. Don't wait for the #128 to show up if the #125 comes first and it's a 5 minute walk in from Innes.

3. Take the slower route to get to a destination if it comes first:

Example: If you're at Westboro going to Bayshore, the 97 arrives in 2 minutes and the 96 arrives in 10 minutes, take the 97 even though it takes 7 minutes longer to get to Bayshore.

4. Don't be afraid to backtrack:
Sometimes it's better to overshoot your destination and transfer than to take one route there directly.

Example: You're going to Montreal and Bathgate from downtown. It's probably faster and less exhausting to take any bus to Blair and then the #2 or #129 to Bathgate than to take the #2 all the way from downtown.

5. Alternatives:

There are lots of routes that will take you where you want to go but you don't know about them. Check out a route map or the OC website to see all the routes that will take you along the way to your destination.

Examples: The 101 follows the same route as the 95 from Hurdman to Orleans. It's also a fast way to go from west to east and vice versa. If you are waiting on Carling eastbound between Bayshore and Lincoln and a 182 comes along, take it. It's less crowded than the 85 and 97 and it takes the transitway from Lincoln to Lebreton & sometimes Hurdman. The 116 will take you from South-Keys to Hurdman during the afternoon rush hour...no need to stuff yourself on a 97.

6. Don't stuff yourself on a bus unless you have to/check if there is another bus coming right behind before you stuff yourself on.

Example: If you're waiting with the hordes at Campus station going to Orleans, take the first non stuffed bus that comes along to Hurdman and wait for a 95 or 101 there. The buses empty out a bit at Hurdman. Instead of stuffing yourself onto a #76, take the 95 to Fallowfield and wait for the 76 or a local there. Before you stuff yourself on a bus, look and see if there is another one right behind. I once drove a full number 2 with an empty one right behind and stopped way past a stop so that I could let off passengers while allowing the empty #2 to pull up to the stop. The idiots at the stop all ran up to my bus, got mad at me for pulling up past their stop, shoe-horned themselves on my bus while an opulent, empty number 2 was right there for them.


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[info]angjovan
2006-10-29 08:31 pm UTC (link)
I thought that was all common sense ;) I've been using those bus taking techniques since I started taking the bus.

My only exception is that some days I cram myself onto the FIRST bus that comes to Bayview when I get off the O-train, to ensure I get to my son's daycare before it closes.

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[info]bentbacktulips
2006-10-29 09:07 pm UTC (link)
I always get mad at people who cram themselves on the first bus to come to baview, when it happens to be the 96, and I happen to have been waiting for 20 minutes as most other passengers who arrived from the same o-train trip are on the 87, 95, and 97.

Crowded trips on the 96 when it's the only bus I can take always suck.

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[info]angjovan
2006-10-29 10:36 pm UTC (link)
I think you're confusing push others aside with cramming on.

When I saw 'cram on' I mean if there is room for one more person and I'm next in line then I get on. I have never pushed aside people who were there ahead of me, because that's ... rude and disrespectful.

I hate crowded buses too, but sometimes you have to be somewhere and can't wait the possible five or ten minutes for the next bus.

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[info]lost_cosmos
2006-10-29 08:33 pm UTC (link)
AMEN!!!

Unfortunately like your last example, those shoe-horn need to be first for everything people are going to just go past your post because its too long and ignore everything you just said to the next bitchy short post after this.

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[info]ikarus8737
2006-10-29 08:46 pm UTC (link)
I think that it's common sense for many people who post here but not for many others (see the post about the #2 not showing up a couple of threads down). I also witness many people who fail to put these principals into practise every day. I do apologize for the length of the post though.

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[info]lost_cosmos
2006-10-29 09:04 pm UTC (link)
Hey don't apologize at all!! Every single point you made is valid and needed to be said for exactly every reason you said them for. All I am saying is those entitlment twits are just going to skip it. I know that I feel frustrated by those things too like I am sure you do/did with that empty bus behind you.

If people would just slow down for a minute and stop instead of having their "me first" attitudes it would make the world run much smoother.

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[info]ikarus8737
2006-10-29 10:13 pm UTC (link)
I find that Campus eastbound is the worst stop for cramming. Often when I drive the 95 I pull in to Campus right behind another 95 and everyone tries to cram on the first one which causes the 1st bus to be slow to pull out and delays me because people only move to my bus once the other bus has closed its doors and left the platform which, in turn, delays all the buses behind me.

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[info]roadwarrier
2006-10-29 10:25 pm UTC (link)
Agreed, the usual heap of steaming social animals that we cart around don't post here.

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[info]x__stupidgirl
2006-10-29 08:44 pm UTC (link)
I bus-hop all the time. When leaving Baseline, I take the first bus that goes to Lincoln Fields, then the first bus that goes to Lebreton (if it's during rush hour) so I can catch the 33 if I'm on time. If not, I'll go to Rideau on whatever bus I'm on and get on the 95 there (it drains there more than it does at Hurdman) and get off at Jeanne D'Arc, then wait for either the 130 or 33, whichever comes first.

Staying on one bus is for suckers ;)

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[info]f8shaded
2006-10-29 09:22 pm UTC (link)
A tip that many people don't use is that if you're at a stop with a hell of a lot of people and you really want to sit down for the trip, take that 3-5min walk down to the bus stop 1 stop earlier on the route. This way you more than likely will get a seat and you also avoid the line.

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[info]x__stupidgirl
2006-10-29 10:03 pm UTC (link)
This is hard to do if you don't know where the nearest stop is, and you risk missing the bus altogether ;) Or if you're at the first stop of the route.

Otherwise, it makes sense.

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[info]f8shaded
2006-10-30 12:13 am UTC (link)
Trudat

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[info]chief1ic
2006-10-29 09:30 pm UTC (link)
My strategies change depending on the weather. These are all good tips that I follow if the weather is reasonable. However, when its mid-January and the temperature dips to -40, my overriding concern is to spend as little time as possible outside, so I will take a different route even if it takes longer, if it means I don't have to transfer or I can transfer at one of the places with heated bus shelters.

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[info]karolijn
2006-10-29 10:33 pm UTC (link)
Generally I agree with you except for 2 points.

First, sometimes busses fill up at certain points along a route. For example, it's easier to cram onto a stuffed bus if you are at Kent before the bus passes through Mackenzie King and Campus stations. So while it may make more sense to take a bus partway to Hurdman where you have more options, if the next bus that will take you to your destination is coming from downtown, you may end up having to wait for the next one if it is full.

Second, some busses travel faster than others, so while it may make more sense to grab a bus to a major exchange point where you have more options, if the bus you want isn't that far behind (but far away enough that you can't see it), you may end up missing it because it makes shorter and/or less frequent stops.

Other than that I agree, I'll never understand people who don't get to where they're going efficiently.

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[info]ikarus8737
2006-10-29 11:32 pm UTC (link)
Agreed. In the first case if you can't transfer off of an east or south transitway bus to your usually packed express route past Hurdman you should probably pack yourself in from the downtown core, otherwise Hurdman is your best bet since you have multiple buses going east and south and a dilution of the loads on the major routes.

In the second case it's probably not such a great plan to get on a route like the 2, 95, 97 if you suspect your faster moving bus is right behind. But if there are no buses around for miles it's usually better to get on whatever comes first.

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[info]niceocdriver
2006-10-29 10:59 pm UTC (link)
I do the 95 every afternoon, and I have to laugh when i am full, yet there is another 95 RIGHT BEHIND me, yet they all herd themselves up to my bus instead. I mean come on, are people this dumb and this blind...really???

Another one that I like is when i am full, pull up to a busy stop like Campus and don't open my front doors as there is NO SPACE there, AND nobody is exiting by the front doors and they start getting upset. Now people, the passengers ast the front can't move back as there are people cramming on through the rear doors, so where do you THINK you are going to fit exactly???

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[info]mittenfight
2006-10-30 12:31 am UTC (link)
I'm guilty of that as well (with the 95) because not every 95 goes to the same destination. Example: If it's two 95 Baselines, then yes, it's ridiculous to cram on the full one if there's a nearly empty one. But if one is a 95 Fallowfield, I'm cramming on that one regardless because it only comes every 15 minutes and I've more than likely been waiting almost that already.

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[info]chocolatehaven
2006-10-30 02:36 am UTC (link)
I also admit to stuffing myself on the 95 Fallowfield; however, what bugs me most is that the Baseline ones are empty, while the Fallowfield ones are full--and generally they are full of people travelling only as far as Baseline, if that. I suggest that if you're not going as far as Fallowfield, don't take that bus, unless it's the only one to have shown up in the last while.

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[info]krisgp
2006-10-30 03:19 am UTC (link)
That bugs me so much! I always cram onto the 95 Fallowfield, and then everyone gets off at Baseline! I think it was Friday morning at 8:45- bus was JAMMED at Rideau... at 8:45 am! By the time we got to Baseline, there were 4 of us left, and by the time we got to Fallowfield, there were 2 of us.

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[info]roadwarrier
2006-10-30 02:37 am UTC (link)
funny that, I'm on the 95 mon-fri pm as well....

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[info]ransomottawa
2006-10-30 12:02 am UTC (link)
Good advice, and a lot of principles I've learned on my own over the years.

One nitpick, with a specific example:

Don't wait for the #128 to show up if the #125 comes first and it's a 5 minute walk in from Innes.

Having lived at Blair and Innes, I can attest that it is considerably more than a 5-minute walk up to Blair station to catch the 128. More like 10-15.

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[info]ransomottawa
2006-10-30 12:04 am UTC (link)
Oops, meant to add: But if you live in between the Transitway and Innes, yeah, great advice. (I always still preferred the 125 from Hurdman because it was closer to home, though.)

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[info]plusminusequal
2006-10-30 01:15 am UTC (link)
6. Don't stuff yourself on a bus unless you have to/check if there is another bus coming right behind before you stuff yourself on.

i usually do this, but i learned my lesson the other day. a 97 had stopped at our station and was packed. there were two other buses behind it, none of them going in the necessary direction. then i notice a 97 driving up behind them. so instead of hopping on the packed 97, my boyfriend and i started walking towards the last 97. however, it didn't even pull over to let anyone on, it just carried on at it's regular speed. then the first 97 left. sucked for us.

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[info]mabba18
2006-10-30 03:26 am UTC (link)
One in the hand is worth 2 in the bush.

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[info]quotation
2006-10-30 05:07 am UTC (link)
And I once got on an eastbound empty 95 at Campus, right behind a full 95, thinking I was so smart to get on the comfy empty bus instead of the packed one.

We both got to Hurdman at the same time, the packed bus left right away, and I was stuck there while the driver of the empty bus took a break. It was in a snowstorm on a Sunday, not a peak time, so it wasn't one of those 2-minutes between buses times. Pissed me right off that the driver didn't tell us to change to the full bus at Hurdman.

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[info]x__stupidgirl
2006-10-30 11:09 am UTC (link)
He probably wasn't "taking a break," he had probably been ahead of schedule.

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[info]britt_27
2006-10-30 07:04 am UTC (link)
I am probably guilty about not taking the most efficient route from place to place, but since I'm very unfamiliar with public transit systems, if I can get from point A to point B successfully by taking one bus (even if it takes 20 extra minutes), I will continue to take that route because I know it'll get me to where I want to go. I generally stick to the 95/97 because if it's not on the transitway, I have no idea where I'm going.

If I'm waiting for a 95/97, and one shows up that is really packed, I usually wait until the next one shows up a few minutes later. When I'm going to work in the morning though, the 95/97 is usually packed at Campus but empties out at the Rideau Centre, so I will generally pack myself into a crowded bus for those 5 minutes.

The one common sense thing I don't understand, is when people miss their stop, for example, on the #4/#7 going down Bank street (or whatever street that is), and then scream at the bus driver to let them off/yell at them for not stopping, when the next stop is like, 10 feet away. I always find that very amusing to witness, but perhaps it's just me. :P

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[info]celeritas_3e8
2006-10-30 12:37 pm UTC (link)
ikarus, your use of the word "opulent" to describe the 2 made me laugh out loud.

Good points, by the way :)

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[info]ikarus8737
2006-10-30 02:23 pm UTC (link)
:)

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[info]a_clear_job
2006-10-30 01:22 pm UTC (link)
what a great list. the only thing i would add to it is if it's a reasonable option, walk instead of waiting. for instance, you may work at l'Esplanade Laurier and live in the Glebe. sometimes the buses on Bank st. can get backed up... ...if you're a brisk walker you can get down to the Glebe in 15-20 minutes. sometimes you can easily beat the bus, and it's good exercise. i realise this is harder to do if you live in the 'burbs, but often if you walk a little bit you will come to a bus stop with more route options.

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[info]cannibal_x
2006-10-30 01:56 pm UTC (link)
Words of wisdom. I should send this to my mother who refuses to ever transfer buses on the grounds that it's "Too complicated" ;)

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[info]a_clear_job
2006-10-30 06:54 pm UTC (link)
that sounds like my mother, who refuses to go to self-serve gas stations, on the same grounds. :P

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[info]lamersize
2006-10-30 03:21 pm UTC (link)
Good suggestions, I hadn't thought of some of those. I do use the "take the first empty bus" one, though, when waiting for the 96. Easier to catch it at Bayshore, if you need to.

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