Coco Teichou ([info]coco_teichou) wrote in [info]moviebuffs,
@ 2008-07-24 23:29:00
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Dark Knight and Wall-E
Yep, there's another Dark Knight review, I just got back in having seen it in the UK previews. Wall-E I also saw recently, only a couple of days after release (yes, I was much more enthusiastic about Dark Knight than Wall-E at first)

*Contains Spoilers*


Alright, Dark Knight.

Walking to the cinema I tried my best to prepare to be disappointed, I know full well how films tear your hopes out when you are too enthusiastic.
This film is excellent, and harbors most if not all the mood and consistency of Begins, which I love in sequels. But the only flaw was how looooong it was. I was aware it was a full 20 minutes longer than (an already stretched) Batman Begins. More on that later.

From the get go, we have Ledger as The Joker, and throughout the film we are bombarded by his amazing performance. Now I know a few skeptics out there who feel people are overdoing Ledger's act, even glorifying due to his passing... but I do agree that his Joker steals the show. Much like Johnny Depp in the Pirates movies, as soon as he's on screen there is a great energy, and when he isn't, things settle.
Of course, this is also thanks to a creepy-as-hell soundtrack. Joker has this theme "music" which is more like a cringing metallic scratching sound which starts so quietly... and builds.. and builds and builds as the Joker's behaviour becomes more and more erratic in the scenes. Terrifying. Yet at the same time, there are some truly funny moments which due to his nature.. you feel you shouldn't find funny!
The chemistry too between Joker and Batman is solid as granite too, you really feel that Joker is Batman's opposite, his ultimate nemesis as he cannot understand why Joker does what he does (which plays back to Begins with Falcone telling Bruce "you always fear what you don't understand")

The rest of the film (yes, it's that obvious that Joker stands above it all!) is... a bit of a mess to be honest. We are introduced to Harvey Dent who is one of my favourite characters in Batman lore, and for fans, it's like looking at a time-bomb. We all know, we all look at that side of his face and think.. soon.. it'll go horribly wrong. But with Harvey's escalation as a character there is a lot of lawyer/cop/money dealings/techno-talk with phones and sonar which kinda slow it down a bit.
We have a nice triangle with Bruce-Rachel-Harvey, but Harvey never discovers who Batman is... So when Batman makes the choice of saving Harvey over Rachel (were Rachel is killed as Commissioner Gordon was too late)... Harvey has no *utter* hatred of Batman in the showdown at the end.. at least not to the extent it could have been.
Harvey Dent becomes Two-Face in a rather throw-out way. Amazing development in his character and great effects work on his face, but this is were the film feels too long and too rushed. Two-Face is dispatched almost as soon as we get to know him, we don't even know his motives except revenge (maybe it's just me as a fan of the character, demanding more)

I guess they knew what they were doing, Two-Face being a creation of the Joker's, marring Dent's good name which is briefly validated with the spinning coin landing on the good side as he died (VERY Batman Forever in this scene). There are rumours Two-Face isn't actually dead... I hope these are untrue (although it does stand, as Batman doesn't kill people... yet he kills Two-Face?)

Ultimately, see it, but be prepared for a longer film. It is worth seeing for Ledger's performance and this isn't just hyping the praise for sake of validating his career in passing. I think it is all an actor could want, for their final act to be their best!

*Contains Spoilers*

Wall-E

Compared to Dark Knight I was a little skeptical going into this one. I knew nothing, except a robot romance and Wall-E talked (at least his name). At that I was very worried as I thought it would be like.. ET again.
How wrong I was. I will argue that Wall-E is the best Pixar film made yet. Why? Because it's short and doesn't outstay its welcome like "The Incredibles" and doesn't feel repetitive like "Finding Nemo" did a bit (and I LIKED Finding Nemo). Wall-E plays like a silent film, both lead robots only have three words between them! (Thank god they didn't talk!) Yet one would think this would be limiting, in actual fact it is a boon. Wall-E and EVE have such character! They are charming and completely compelling, genuine and real; you actually feel for them, the audience laughed at the right times, and went silent at the gripping moments.

Animation wise, it is beautiful. The first quarter is just mind-meltingly stunning, from the gritty, dirty and barren Earth cityscape to the jaw-dropping vast space visuals. True, you might say that modeling, texturing and animating a robot is easier than say.. a rat.. or a human being.. but there is real details in Wall-E, especially his eyes, and I find it a testimony to animators to bring such stereotypical, inanimate characters to life!

The film's length and pacing is perfect, it doesn't stop for rest, it doesn't rush and it always keeps you interested. Unlike previous Pixar films which tended to linger, or verge on " this is our computer game section" action sequences. The action does get a little crazy near the end, but it is a kids film!
There are some typical robot plotlines, like the commanding robot that turns on its human masters due to inhumane protocol (ripped straight from 2001: A Space Odyssey, on purpose though). There is a distinct Apple Mac theme, Wall-E's start up sound, Wall-E having an iPod at his "house" and Auto being voice by the Apple Mac "text-to-speech" program. But I just find those things charming.
Also, I wasn't expecting humans in this film, but not as much as I wasn't expecting how they portray humans in this film! Amazing work.

Don't be afraid of the cutesy advertising, Wall-E is a testimony to animation more than any other Pixar film and demands to be seen on the big screen. It plays like an animation should be: short, moving and funny.

Ultimately, these two films are going to be high on my final top 10 at the end of the year.



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[info]bumblebee_1983
2008-07-25 01:03 am UTC (link)
Ohhh...so totally agree with you on all that.

Wall E is absolutely ADORABLE. Who knew a little robot could be so adorable?

Ledger=LEGEND. This role made him that. I cannot wait to see this movie again...and again...and again. It's like therapy to me.

As for Harvey/Two-Face....I think that the "funeral" is a facade to keep the hope of the Gotham citizens alive. And I think they were intending to go further with the Joker, considering Bale and Nolan have signed up for a trilogy. Unfortunately, with Heath's untimely passing, bringing back the Joker is not going to happen. I hope they don't replace him because NOBODY can play the Joker like Heath did. *sniff*

And the TDK soundtrack: INCREDIBLE. I am addicted to it.

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[info]mozartfan1313
2008-07-25 03:57 am UTC (link)
Agreed 100% about Dent's "funeral." I never once thought he was dead. I think it's a perfect set-up for the third film: the people of Gotham think Dent died a hero.

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[info]bumblebee_1983
2008-07-25 01:57 pm UTC (link)
Alright! Someone who agrees with me on that! :D

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[info]daysofthegun
2008-07-25 01:20 am UTC (link)

I guess they knew what they were doing, Two-Face being a creation of the Joker's, marring Dent's good name which is briefly validated with the spinning coin landing on the good side as he died (VERY Batman Forever in this scene). There are rumours Two-Face isn't actually dead... I hope these are untrue (although it does stand, as Batman doesn't kill people... yet he kills Two-Face?)

Batman doesn't intentionally kill people. But that's beside the point.

Harvey's story arc, in terms of Batman mythos, was somewhat disappointing. His story arc in terms of the philosophy of the movie, however, was perfect. Flawless. Especially the part at the end where Gordon and Batman express the desire to continue the myth of Harvey Dent in contradiction to the truth. Because the populace needs myths in order for society to maintain coherency. If anybody's ever read any Leo Strauss (grandfather of the modern Neo-Conservative movement), this is straight out of Straussian philosophy. Joker and Harvey Dent's story arcs both presents different, but complete, philosophical challenges to the existence of Batman.

I think they may bring him back, because it will bring up a really good theme of what happens when the myths that provide society that cohesiveness are debunked. This also acts as a really great criticism of one of the weakest points of Straussianism (which we're seeing, as the Republican party implodes under the weight of the myths which had Rove had previously used to keep it's base together).

(ps, I think he's alive, due to the comments made by Maroni when Batman threw him off the building)

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[info]coco_teichou
2008-07-25 11:31 am UTC (link)
Very valid points, I like your thinking of mythos and how Dent can return and damage Gotham citizen's beliefs in their heroes even more.

It's just... he looked dead to me, and there were cops everywhere (true most went after Batman)
Maybe he wakes and is locked in Arkham to hide the truth, then breaks out? Though I'd be surprised if his back wasn't broken or something!

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[info]color_me_verde
2008-07-25 02:29 am UTC (link)
Thank-you for the Depp comparison. I made the mistake of doing that on another comm and a Ledger fangirl about ripped my head off.

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[info]coco_teichou
2008-07-25 11:26 am UTC (link)
Hehe, no problem. Fangirls/boys can be dangerous things!

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[info]loversmakemoan
2008-07-25 03:07 am UTC (link)
i'm gonna try that again and learn how to spell lol

i noticed that too, about the joker music, it reminded me of the 70's horror movie music, simple yet creepy at the same time. like the beginning of the texas chainsaw, with the shutter noises, over and over and over.

what a great movie, i can't wait to see it again and again either!

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[info]suckah_free
2008-07-25 04:36 am UTC (link)
I'm so glad someone mentioned the music, it really was more like nails on a chalkboard than any instrument. I loved it, it really pulled me to the edge of my seat each time.

I also think the Depp comparison is a good one, though I think Ledger far surpassed Depp as an actor.

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[info]coco_teichou
2008-07-25 11:39 am UTC (link)
No problem and thanks.
A friend did a degree studying musical themes of characters, and I just love listening to soundtracks generally!
Probably was violin and strings, but really.. just like nails on a chalkboard, truly unnerving.

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[info]tomatops
2008-07-25 07:52 pm UTC (link)
I don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but Batman actually made the choice to save Rachel. The Joker purposely switches the addresses so that Dawes is really at Dent's Address and Dent is at Rachel's. So really, Batman had made his choice, the Joker just messed with them.

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[info]coco_teichou
2008-07-25 07:57 pm UTC (link)
Ahhhh, I did wonder why Batman told Gordon he would rescue Rachel, yet did not. Well observed... I didn't notice the addresses as the locations seemed nondescript.
I'm seeing this film again next week; more and more reasons for doing so!

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[info]tomatops
2008-07-25 08:05 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, no worries, I didn't notice it the first time either. Took me a second viewing to make sure!

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[info]peerpressure420
2008-07-26 04:20 am UTC (link)
Yeah, I was going to say this, but tomatops beat me to it.

Also, Batman only tackled Dent off the building to stop him from killing a child. I don't know any other feasible way for him to stop him. If he's dead, Batman stopped him the only way he could.

When it comes to the "dead or alive" debate, I am leaning more towards dead. I don't know if Nolan really wanted him to go beyond this story arc.

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[info]tomatops
2008-07-26 04:47 am UTC (link)
Agreed... I think he's a goner. Plus, if he was alive, we woulda seen his chest moving! (breathing)

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[info]coco_teichou
2008-07-26 12:33 pm UTC (link)
Indeed!
As much as I would like Two-Face to return - I think his character is very dramatic - they couldn't pull it off because he looked DEAD, it wouldn't be a good way to start a new film, backtracking like that.

I think they played Two-Face along with Harvey Dent in the story, rather than play them as separate characters. But I still hold to the fact that it felt rushed in this film.
I'll see what I think after a second viewing.

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[info]mayfairdays
2008-07-27 08:04 am UTC (link)
I loved Wall-E, I've seen it twice. I liked the Dark Knight, but it definitely didn't affect me like Wall-E did.

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