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@ 2007-11-28 14:08:00
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[info]_scarlet_ibis_
2007-11-28 02:42 pm UTC (link)
I think there is something seriously wrong with the collective mind of the NME. I don't hear racism in Morrissey's words at all. It's the mark of a very simple mind to hear a buzzword (immigration) and to automatically assume that the speaker must have a very black and white notion of the issue at hand. There are grey areas where no solution to a problem will fix the situation for everyone. That's how it is in this case.

Honestly, does anyone really hear racism in Morrissey's words? What am I missing?

It looks to me like these idiots badgered him and he responded with grace. I mean, if THIS is what they printed in order to support their theory that he's a big racist, imagine all the stuff they left out.

I'm feeling really angry at them right now. I just know this has upset Morrissey to the point where he never wants to give an interview again.

Poor Mozzer. I want to hug him. He doesn't deserve this crap.

Edited at 2007-11-28 02:52 pm UTC

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[info]sulky_youth
2007-11-28 02:44 pm UTC (link)
morrissey did anything but "trod clumsily around the area of immigration," FUCK OFF NME.

i was really holding my opinion too, thinking i could possibly be disappointed by morrissey's comments in this interview but he approached this topic with nothing but articulate, questioning calm. had he said anything questionable i would have been the first to have a problem with it, but reading that...seriously, fuck off nme.

its PATHETIC, to see them egging it on in the middle, reminding (or more like teaching a skewed perception to a bunch of very young naive music fans- cos really, who else reads NME??) people of the absurd finsbury park allegations and drawing up specific lyrics (while excluding many many other songs which directly contradict any racist viewpoint ex: 'where the president is never black, female or gay'), in an attempt to make his comments here inflamatory. it so pathetically obvious that NME not morrissey has 'steered' the conversation into this topic, its so pathetic.

well done on him for not allowing a bunch of twits who champion lazy things for the my chemical romance generation of 14yr olds BULLY him via phone, to retract questions he's rasied and his personal opinion on what he misses about england! luckily, he's more than once clearly stated things that would lead any intelligent person to conclude he is raising an issue and not actually racist- he's said it directly and repeatedly. no amount of crap the nme throws in around his words can detract from that.

so again. fuck offffff nme. pathetic.

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[info]_scarlet_ibis_
2007-11-28 02:51 pm UTC (link)
We agree. You so eloquently stated many truths.

I was also braced to hear the worst from Moz, and for that I am now ashamed. He's a good guy and I should know this with all my heart since he really helped raise me -- helped elevate my mind out of the existence I was born into.

There is no way that Morrissey could ever be a racist. The NME... I SPIT on the NME.

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[info]pettythief
2007-11-28 03:26 pm UTC (link)
Well put. They are shit-stirring. They are being wind-up merchants of the highest level. Haven't got an angle for a Morrissey interview? Why not accuse him of being racist!

There's nothing "racist" about what he's saying, and to be honest, I think he has a point. We are living in a multicultural society in Britain which is very different from the society he grew up in.

Though in some ways he's mixing his nationalities a bit by saying "English" and then "British" because English, Scottish, Welsh and Irish identities are different. They still are. Even with immigration.

So while I don't entirely agree with him, I don't think he's being racist. I've heard members of my own family say far more alarmingly racist things than that! Did Moz say "Immigration? That's why there's so much crime, all them foreign Johnnies turning up! Don't know how to behave, them darkies." That is what I would call racist. What Moz says in that interview? It's not racist. Conor is clearly smoking crack with Pete Doherty if he truly thinks that is.

(there's also the point that he's a big fan of Shelagh Delaney. One of her protagonists gives birth to a mixed-race baby. If Moz was such a terrible racist (as some people assume/try to convince everyone) why would he like a playwright who writes about mixed race relationships?).

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[info]sulky_youth
2007-11-28 02:52 pm UTC (link)
they also got the release date of viva hate wrong by a decade. typo or idiocy??

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[info]stressford_poet
2007-11-28 02:53 pm UTC (link)
God dammit THEY'RE the ones who kept on going on about it, THEY'RE the ones that brought up racist issues, THEY'RE the ones claiming people will be offended and the article hadn't even been out yet...

I do believe Morrissey has verged on the dangerous with race issues in the past, but this?? It's lazy journalism at the highest level. There may be contention in this article but it's got nothing to do with Morrissey. Stupid bloody NME.



On the other hand, I love that he and Johnny are getting along!! <3

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[info]speedway_6
2007-11-28 06:43 pm UTC (link)
On the other hand, I love that he and Johnny are getting along!! <3

and that's the only line i loved about this interview ;-)

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[info]zenitt
2007-11-28 09:03 pm UTC (link)
My friend, who is in the music business, told me he understands that Morrissey is now on the talking terms with all Smiths, Joyce included. I have no reasons to doubt my friend, but I don't know his sources.

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[info]stressford_poet
2007-11-28 09:38 pm UTC (link)
Even Joyce?? Nooo, surely not! An interesting thought though... Just the thought of there being less bitterness between Johnny and Moz makes me happy :D

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[info]zenitt
2007-11-28 09:45 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, I said the same, that's why I just post it here randomly and not as a thread! Ha. He sounded pretty sure, though; and I have nothing against it at all.
About Johnny and Moz, so it had been out and about for some time now. Nice to hear from Morrissey too.

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[info]speedway_6
2007-11-29 09:33 am UTC (link)
So...we can dream about a reunion? I would go mad!!!

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[info]collie_tsunami
2007-11-28 02:56 pm UTC (link)
UGHHHHHHHH I HATE CONOR MCNICHOLAS SO MUCH!!!

DIAF YOU TWIT!!!!!!

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[info]stressford_poet
2007-11-28 03:15 pm UTC (link)
Sorry, I just read the last bit cos I didn't see the point reading such crap, but it's the worst bit of the whole article.

"Locking horns?" The interviewer had no comment to make on anything.
"The ravings of a rogue Tory MP." Ravings? What ravings?
Saying 'traditional' links you with the BNP?
They're trying to promote unity? How exactly? By trying to incite a race row? Yes, very helpful.
And "he's certainly not speaking for us now?" Oh just piss off.


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[info]the__monarch
2007-11-28 03:38 pm UTC (link)
What ravings?! You haven't seen Morrissey down by the docks throwing rocks at people getting off the boat or blocking up the areoplane door with crooked planks of wood?? god knows I have, it's all he ever does!


Seriously though, it's like they went to lull him into a false sense of security with the typical album/solo/smiths talk and then blind side with the racist stuff, obviously something planned from the start. Even if Morrissey was racist, who cares? There's thousands and thousands of people all over the world who actually are so why can't the NME go interview them .. oh yes because they aren't in the music business so they can't be interviewed by a music magazine .. that ... isn't talking about music .. and .. yeah

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[info]collie_tsunami
2007-11-28 03:39 pm UTC (link)
"What ravings?! You haven't seen Morrissey down by the docks throwing rocks at people getting off the boat or blocking up the areoplane door with crooked planks of wood??"

no but that is a hilarious mental image

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[info]voorishsign
2007-11-28 03:23 pm UTC (link)
I don't think Morrissey is racist, and I do think the interviewer is being rude, however, in my opinion Morrissey's arguement against immigration doesn't hold much water, and is a bit hypocritical.

Also while I agree with him that the industry has to start working to save the environment too, I would gladly spend more taxes so the government makes changes everywhere to see the environmental situation improve even in the slightest.

Have to say I'm a bit disappointed here, but I guess nobody's ever going to agree with someone else on absolutely everything. Still love him, though.


Edited at 2007-11-28 03:27 pm UTC

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[info]lost84
2007-11-28 04:19 pm UTC (link)
What a load of shit. I don't see how this is racist or even offensive.

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[info]therewhenyoudie
2007-11-28 05:06 pm UTC (link)
NME still obsesses over his lil "racist comments" after all these years.
I guess they have nothing else to ask him? He's such a Pandora's box and they still focus on the negative.
I was actually looking forward to this release, and what for? A bunch of crap.. seriously, I wonder why Moz even bothers with the press, when all they do is twist his words and make him seem like an ogre who's against everything and everyone.

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[info]vicarinatutugal
2007-11-28 05:44 pm UTC (link)
thank you for the post, I just want to say what a lot of utter sensasionalist crap.
Very unimpressed.

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[info]ohjeane
2007-11-29 01:44 am UTC (link)
it's the tabloid of the musicjournalism world, i think

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[info]celibatedi
2007-11-28 06:22 pm UTC (link)
I've never read NME except for scanned Morrissey interviews, but I recognize the type. There's at least one in every country, isn't there?
to hell with NME

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[info]speedway_6
2007-11-28 06:41 pm UTC (link)
I'm so very sickened...

Why do they always have to write about these silly things?
Moz isn't a racist. Stop writing this shit!

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[info]missalainy
2007-11-28 06:42 pm UTC (link)
I'm so upset that I even took the time to read this. I did consider buying it for that beautiful Je Suis Morrissey photo (which looks full page) but I don't think I will bother.

One good thing that came out this mess, as [info]stressford_poet pointed out. Yea for Johnny and Moz! :D xx

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[info]stressford_poet
2007-11-28 09:34 pm UTC (link)
Great news isn't it! Even worth reading through all that rubbish for! Johnny and Moz foreverrr :D

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[info]beuk
2007-11-28 07:20 pm UTC (link)
So essentially Morrissey is saying, "England is different now from how it was when I was a kid (due to a large influx of immigrants). I kind of miss it."

and the NME is responding with, "OH MY GOD, YOU HATE CHANGE, YOU HATE IMMIGRANTS, YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY A RACIST. WHY DON'T YOU SING 'NATIONAL FRONT DISCO, YOU PIG."

How utterly nonsensical and inflammatory. If I was a reader of the NME I would be quite insulted by Conor trying to tell me what to think about Morrissey.

I don't expect Morrissey to have a very good philosophy on immigration and its effects on culture because he's not a sociologist or anything like that. He's a musician; he makes commentary on what he sees and feels.

I know that Mr. Jonze smelled a good story, but to spend a whole page on one subject is not the right way to go about an interview. There are many other things they could have discussed.

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[info]girlafraid50
2007-11-28 08:22 pm UTC (link)
I bought the Magazine on my way home from work today. I've read it once and it made me so angry that I can't read it again. I would throw it away if it wasn't from the amazing pictures. Damn you Morrissey, why must you look so handsome ;)

Seriously though, the whole thing just doesn't make any sense. I really don't see where the NME are coming from. When I read the first paragraph I thought, oh no this must be bad, but having read the whole thing, I can't believe that this is the interview they’re making such a big fuss over. He’s been saying the same things in interviews for years; he's just phrased it differently this time.

When you take in all the facts its plain to see that something very dodgy has gone on and I just hope the people who are responsible get what they deserve.

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[info]lotsisthequarry
2007-11-28 08:37 pm UTC (link)
lets all vid ourselves burning the NME and stick it on youtube...
(ah but we need to burn them before we pay for them no...)
this has made me SO ANGRY, tossy shitty leftie journalists who need a slap.
Moz, please please do not even so much as spit on an NME ever again.

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[info]ohjeane
2007-11-29 01:43 am UTC (link)
it's not about being left wing though, i would consider myself left-wing & u think it's got nothing to do with conor mc nicholas's policial views, i think they were just out to get morrissey for something & he sort of walked into their trap, sadly.

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[info]ohjeane
2007-11-29 01:43 am UTC (link)
*i

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[info]silly_things
2007-11-28 09:32 pm UTC (link)
I can totally see New Labour officials tip-toeing around the NME office with specially designed hyper-sensitive, hyper PC "racism" detectors, tapping people on the shoulder, smiling reproachfully like a mother to a naughty child and pointing at the swinging needle of their device, when someone says they just dined in a lovely Polish restaurant down the road.

The NME should also get their facts a bit straighter, considering that racism normally refers to hatred of another race, and a large number of today's immigrants come from the former Soviet countries, making them Caucasian, so the immigration spans across various races, including Morrissey's own.

Morrissey has a point, and it has nothing to do with supposedly not welcoming different cultures. But being so utterly politically correct that you're willing to let your own culture be trampled in order to accommodate everybody else's is just foolish, and not just in terms of saving the right to moan about the weather and the Boxing Day village panto.

Great Britain is actually a small island, and it's currently taking in huge numbers of immigrants and the whole process is governed by some very lax laws. The immigrants often bring along their families, which in various cultures consist of more than just you, your parents and your siblings. They're ushered into crowded council estates, handed, if they're lucky, the crappiest jobs because of their poor English skills and lack of further education and paid much less than a native would be paid, and this is the good scenario. Efforts to help the immigrants integrate into the society are poor, which is actually quite understandable, considering that the British government hasn't got a clue of the actual number of people coming in.
At the same time, there are natives in need of housing (if an asylum seeker's granted a leave to stay, they can't live in asylum seekers' housing and jump to the top of the housing queue) and being made redundant because a new factory in London made up entirely of immigrants, will get the job done for a fraction of the money. When that happens, the natives won't be thinking of the poor, politically unstable or war-torn conditions the immigrants come from and nodding their heads in sympathy, what they'll do is flock to join the BNP. And the people who arranged all this live cosily in Mayfair or Belgravia, where they can't even spell poverty, let alone suffer the consequences. They're not doing a good job looking after their own, and are under some misguided impression that immigrants will just thrive on their own as soon as they're let in.

Sorry, that was a bit of a rant but if that's what Morrissey meant then we agree and calling it racism is a fucking mockery towards people at the receiving end of it.

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[info]ohjeane
2007-11-29 01:41 am UTC (link)
they just wanted to prove their stupid point. he didn't come across badly...& he mentioned the issue of immigration because THEY BROUGHT IT UP. i think nme have come off worse to be honest.

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[info]thereisahouse
2007-11-29 02:54 am UTC (link)
Wow, this is one of the better interviews he's given in recent years.

The political comments are woolly at worst, and he makes it quite clear that he's speaking about his personal thoughts about England, not making a sweeping policy statement which he thinks should be meaningful to all. It's all very, very mild stuff, and the NME's reaction is silly - surely if they looked harder they could find someone willing to say something shocking. Mozzer is a gender radical. He is not, and never has been, a deeply politically interesting thinker (even Finsbury Park was really about sex). Why do people expect that from him?

It's all just silly really.

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Why can't Morrissey get in Uncut or Mojo?
[info]lazysunbather
2007-11-29 03:26 pm UTC (link)
Thanks for posting it because I didn't want to give a cent to that tabloid smash hits-alike pamphlet that peddles emo shite.

In the introduction they made Morrissey sound like an archaic opinionated drunken old man delving into a bucket of Heinekens and lurching towards the table (NME "My god he has no self-control!) And then the unrealistic stilted response from the nme "That's not true! You sound like a Tory" wide emo eyed and snivellingly innocent the NME is aghast at that cad Morrissey.WHAT will he do next as he lurches around the hotel room! oh god!

Oh and poor Conor MicNichols he loves Morrissey but as Editor he has absolutely no control over what is printed he's a VICTIM of circumstance he is the editor yet not the editor....er! Also his backhanded compliment about having Morrissey's gold disc but then he petulantly adds that he doubts whether Morrissey would have wanted him to have them. Makes me want to puke!

I find his opinions to be mild I believe in civil liberty and nothing he said affronted that ideal.

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[info]themozuignoreme
2007-11-30 09:21 am UTC (link)
thanks for the scans.

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