Emmy ([info]minarin) wrote in [info]montreal,
@ 2007-12-22 00:29:00
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tipping

I guess it's common courtesy to tip when you're at a restaurant and whatever. But, I don't. I don't see a need to give someone more money when it's their JOB to bring me my food and they didn't do anything special or extraordinary. If they do, of course, then I tip (which is like, never haha). And, I don't care if they're making minimum wage because their job choice has absolutely nothing to do with me. If I want food, I will go and buy it and won't be thinking about how much they are making.

Anyway, I was at Zyng next to Guy-Concordia today and to make things clear: I asked to have it for there. I went to sit down and she brought it to me packaged as if it was to go...Stupid, but okay. Then, she didn't bring me my drink and had left it on the counter, so I had to get up and get it myself. I didn't mind, of course. I'm just saying she didn't even do her job properly. 

When I was done, I got up and went to pay and used my credit card. She charged it, printed the receipt and asked me to sign. I signed, not even looking at the receipt (I hate receipts :X). Then...:

Dumb waitress: Can I say something?
Me: ?
Dumb waitress: Usually, when you eat here, you add an amount here *points to receipt*.
Me: ? What?
Dumb waitress: *explains it again*
Me: ??? Ohhh! You mean like a TIP?
Dumb waitress: Yeah.
Me: But, you already charged my card, anyway.
Dumb waitress: Well yeah, but you were supposed to write down 1$ and I would've charged it again.
Me: Um, I'm sorry? *walks out, totally confused and surprised*

Then, I was thinking about what happened and I realized that she was trying to get me to give her a tip (yes, I'm slow and the situation was so stupid). First of all, you don't ASK for a tip. Second, if you want a tip from me, you need to meet two requirements: 1. do your job 2. do it extraordinarily. She failed at both, so why the hell should I tip? Why do people here tip?

Then I thought, "Well, maybe because I'm taking up space in a totally empty restaurant, I should have to pay a bit extra." But, that would mean I was paying to sit down. Well, if that's the case, they need to put a sign saying, "1$ to use chairs and table." And if anyone says it's because they have to clean the tables, why don't we tip McDonalds employees???

Does anyone else find this to be rude?



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[info]leprofessional
2007-12-22 05:51 am UTC (link)
The thing is... A lot of service people get bare minimum wage because it's kind of expected that they get their money from tips. In Montreal specially it's customary to give a tip regardless of how the service was... and I wouldn't dare not to... from a friend's experience... people remember, not kidding. Oh yeah, on the McDonald's thing... Fast food is different from restaurants, it is not custom to tip fast-food services.

Bad tipping stories: A few days ago I ordered a pizza and gave 3$ to the guy and he was mad (he said, it's snowing outside and I came all this way blah blah...) and I honestly had no change and felt bad/confused at the same time so I went home and came back and him break a 20 for me and got a $6 tip. That was a tiny bit rude.

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[info]leprofessional
2007-12-22 05:51 am UTC (link)
it was a 20$ pizza btw.

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[info]kalyostro
2007-12-22 05:54 am UTC (link)
ghm... they can't charge any card for tips without client's permission... or i missed something? btw, all professions tips acceptable for have less per hour payment (according to law and according to job propositions)

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[info]halevy
2007-12-22 05:54 am UTC (link)
Aren't you supposed to tip %15? O_o

My dad just got a $5 tip in total for two year services with the Gazette from this guy in TMR and we were all "...wow lol". $2.50 per year.

Edited at 2007-12-22 06:06 am UTC

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[info]sergeant_duckie
2007-12-22 06:02 am UTC (link)
Haha, have you seen Reservoir Dogs?

And I have the same opinion as you.

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[info]minarin
2007-12-22 01:41 pm UTC (link)
no, i haven't :X

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[info]vampyrey
2007-12-22 06:09 am UTC (link)
Yes, the waitress didn't do her job well, and yes, it was rude asking you to tip her. She didn't charge your credit card at first, what you signed was only a pre-authorization. Normally, you would add a tip on the receipt, sign it, and then she would charge the total amount, using the pre-authorization number. This is all legal and that's the way it works in hotels too (for mini-bar or other services you have to charge to the room after the customer leaves).

It is your choice not to tip the waitress if she was so bad. BUT tipping is not an option : you don't tip ONLY when the service is mediocre. In France, for example, there's no tipping because the tip is included on your bill (so you don't see it, but it's there as Service). You don't have a choice paying it or not. Here, you do. You are lucky enough to decide if you tip or not. Yes, they chose to do that job, and yes, it's their job to bring your food. But they're not even paid the minimum wage, I think it's something like 6$/hour or something, because we are assuming they'll have their 15% tips... If the service is EXCELLENT, then you should give 20% (or more !). If it's okay, if you feel the person does not deserve 15%, but still deserves one, leave 10% (10% is the tip for a delivery by the way). But please, understand that these people work very hard, and are paid peanuts, because OUR government thinks the customer should be able to rate the service (and then pay tip). If we were in France, none of this would happen, because you would pay the 15% tip anyways, you wouldn't have a choice. (Maybe that's why the waiters there are so rude, they KNOW they'll get paid anyways).

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[info]strychnyn
2007-12-22 12:54 pm UTC (link)
and if we were in New Zealand, we wouldn't be paying any tips, nor would it be included in the bill, as it is actually frowned upon. and the service people are not paid any higher... a friend spent a year there working as a waiter and came back with all manner of interesting contrasts to here.
tipping is a cultural habit, not a requirement.

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[info]goddessofjoi
2007-12-22 06:11 am UTC (link)
Some friends and I were actually having this conversation yesterday, because apparently there is a different minimum wage for people in the serving industry which is lower than for other industries, because the tip thing. Based on this article, the minimum wage for restaurant workers will be $7.75 while pretty much everyone else will be $8.50..... They are also technically supposed to declare and be taxed on tips.

Anyway. So that would explain why it is common courtesy to tip, even if it just a very little when people suck.

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[info]goddessofjoi
2007-12-22 06:14 am UTC (link)
Actually I take that back. Don't tip if they suck, but I think you intro statement that you never tip because it is there job is sort of the aspect I'm trying to highlight here. If you have exceptionally sucky service, yeah I would not be inclined to tip either.

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[info]tvuutietyle24
2007-12-22 06:16 am UTC (link)
Your "extraordinary" denotes a high criteria, however in that case she clearly didn't do her job.

But in the summer, tips are my whole wage, so I am of course not very happy when clients run away having given nothing under the pretext "It says free" - therefore I tend to be respectful of those workers.

But I hate when here in Dresden/Berlin, I see "Tips not included" in English on bills. It's just a way to suck off money from tourists. We just round up here.

Btw in Prague you're charged for the dishes, no shit!

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[info]minarin
2007-12-22 01:44 pm UTC (link)
well, the criteria really isn't that high. just be friendly and ask if i need anything and whatever. it depends on the restaurant.

and i understand people make lots of money of tips but if it's not good, get a new job!

ROFL@prague

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[info]electriccowgirl
2007-12-22 06:34 am UTC (link)
I find this thread very interesting. I'm from Australia, where your attitude is totally acceptable. Here tipping is not required at all. Like, ever. You can tip if you get good service or if you particularly want to leave a tip, (nobody's going to stop you!) but it's not expected.

When is a person normally expected to tip in Montreal? I understand in restaurants, but who else gets a tip?

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[info]vampyrey
2007-12-22 06:40 am UTC (link)
Lots of people !

You should tip the newspapers guy, the hairdresser, the hotel maids, the grocery delivery guy and the restaurant delivery guy too.

For people who understand French, this is interesting :
http://www.cyberpresse.ca/article/20071217/CPSOLEIL/71216063/6685/CPACTUEL
http://www.cyberpresse.ca/article/20071217/CPSOLEIL/71216064/6685/CPACTUEL

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[info]fiorucci01
2007-12-22 06:40 am UTC (link)
O.K.

I understand that you're peeved that the waitress was rude. I believe that she was totally out of line to say what she did. However, as several people have noted, servers are paid less than minimum wage for their jobs but furthermore, servers are required to pay out a percentage of their sales to a tip pool for bussers, hosts/hostesses and kitchen staff. Every shift, every time. So if you don't tip, that means that they have to pay that percentage out of their pockets, making their less than minimum wage even less. It costs them money to serve you when you don't tip. For that reason alone it's nice if you throw a few bucks in for a tip. As for the credit card authorization, when you right down a tip amount, the server adds it onto the computer which authorized the payment before closing the bill on the computer. It is part of the authorization.

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[info]eclips1st
2007-12-22 06:53 am UTC (link)
Yep, these people often end up having to pay out of their own pocket here because someone didn't leave a tip. I even want to add that this not only applies to restaurant, but also to many jobs where people hand you food of some sort, even if it's already prepared and you wouldn't even think they even deserve a tip!

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[info]beckara
2007-12-22 07:05 am UTC (link)
Should I just call you Mr. Pink?

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[info]minarin
2007-12-22 01:47 pm UTC (link)
uh sure, never saw reservoir dogs

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[info]monpoissonrouge
2007-12-22 07:35 am UTC (link)
I hate tipping when service is crap. I was at Chez Cora and my ex forgot to tip and the cashier actually pointed it to him and said, "You're not leaving a tip!?" in a shocked way. But really, the service was so-so. The waiter took our order, served us and came back to give us the cheque. I doubt I'll eat at Zyng place now. I love going to chinese resto and tipping like 50 cents because I find waitresses at those places are the rudest like that place next to Cafe Depot on Maisonneuve, something Chinese express something.

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[info]fetternity
2007-12-22 09:32 am UTC (link)
Funny enough, I have gone several times to Zyng at Guy-Concordia and always got very courteous service.

There must have been something in the water. Whether it was the euphoric agent during my visits, or piss during yours, remains to be seen :)

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[info]kino_kid
2007-12-22 07:50 am UTC (link)
When in Rome, do as the Romans do.

If you live in Tokyo, you do not tip no matter how good the service is. It is not the custom.

If you live in Montreal, you tip in almost all cases because that is the custom.

For basic service you leave 15%. Whether you leave that tip or not, the person providing the service is being taxed for it anyway.

For superlative service leave a larger amount you are comfortable with. This should be a pleasure to do if the service really was that good.

For horrible service, leave under 15% but leave something. In a way leave a skimpy tip for bad service is even more of a snub than just not tipping.

If someone is truly horrid, screw them.

I think if someone complains about their lack of tip or a tip not being big enough, then they get what they deserve. I tend to tip very well and about a decade ago I had a guy yell at me after delivering a cold pizza an hour later than usual, after providing him instructions to get to my place when he was about 4 blocks away (he also yelled that the instructions I gave him were wrong although it only required driving in a straight line).

In that case, I refused to provide a larger tip and the moment he left, I also called his boss, and outlined the situation.

You do not have to support rudeness. You could have asked to speak to a manager. If the manager backed her up then you can decide to take your business elsewhere.

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[info]minarin
2007-12-22 01:50 pm UTC (link)
i wish i was in tokyo.

interesting comment, thank you! but, i will not leave tips unless they really earn it. and that seems to never happen here (for me).

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[info]sleepy_boy
2007-12-22 08:09 am UTC (link)
this whole post was written in a tongue-in-cheek sassy attitude; tipping is just the custom here and it's considered extremely rude to leave no tip. please understand that customs like tipping etiquette vary from region to region and that there's no need to be an ass about it. :)

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[info]minarin
2007-12-22 01:51 pm UTC (link)
just because it's a custom doesn't mean i should have to do it, especially if i don't agree with it. and if anyone was being an a**, it was her :/

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[info]infusco
2007-12-22 08:14 am UTC (link)
I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but wait staff are taxed on the sales they make, usually around 7%. Meaning, if you leave less than 7% tip, they actually pay out of their pocket for the privilege of serving you.

So next time you choose not to tip, don't be surprised if they look like they're about to spit in your face.

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[info]fetternity
2007-12-22 09:28 am UTC (link)
Exactly what I was about to point out, Karl. Good man.

But yeah Emmy, tipping in Montreal is not just customary, it's expected. Feel blessed that the tip is up to you, because you wouldn't get that in Paris, for instance. The tip is included over there, and the service is utter, total crap.

At least here we have a choice to actually validate in some way that the service was INDEED crap. But a basic all-encompassing attitude like yours is just as shitty, and if you swallow a long stream of clear snot from your bowl of noodles one day you'll have asked for it.

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[info]tygrbabe
2007-12-22 08:30 am UTC (link)
just so you know, wait staff automatically get 8% of sales declared as income because in Quebec you have to declare tips so therefore, by not tipping, for example on a 10$ meal, that person has to pay 0.80$ OUT OF THERE OWN POCKET. and also, because the government assumes they get tips, there is a lower minimum wage for wait staff.

so before you decide to not tip, please consider this and better yet, if you get bad service, tip the minimum (8%) neways but mention it to either the wait staff or a manager that you were not satisfied of the service. if that happens again at that establishment, stop going there.

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[info]czk
2007-12-22 09:07 am UTC (link)
somehow I think this is a bit weird. When I was a waitress I did my best to be nice and friendly. If I am rude at my customers, I would've brought it on myself not to get tipped, right? The waitress knows she'll have to pay money out of her own pocket if she doesn't get tipped, yet still she chose to not do her job properly. That's her choice, not mine.

I don't know. I'm just glad we don't have weird tipping tax rules here in the Netherlands. It's your own choice. And 10% is already considered to be a generous tip. No wonder we come across as cheapskates in other countries :')

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[info]canadiens1160
2007-12-22 02:36 pm UTC (link)
I only refuse to tip if the server has been exceptionally bad or rude. If the service has just been mediocre I'll usually only leave 10%, but on average I tip in the 15-20% range.

This is probably because I've worked at restaurants, albeit on the other side of the pass-through, and it ain't an easy or pretty job serving.

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[info]minarin
2007-12-23 06:25 am UTC (link)
oh of course! if you've been in the situation, then you know first hand...i never have and don't plan on ever working that kind of job, so we will have different opinions for sure.

it may not be easy, but there are many other jobs that aren't easy and they don't get tips. aren't teachers underpaid in montreal? why don't they get tipped? also, i was at an event and we had to pay 3$ for coat check (and get this, they said if you're stuff is stolen, it's not their fault) and they had tins for tips. HUH?!

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[info]contradictoire
2007-12-22 02:51 pm UTC (link)
i talked to a friend who works at mc donald's yesterday...
and they're not allowed to accept tips at all (you know there's a minimum wage with & without tip) so even if the client asks that they put it in their pocket, they can't.

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[info]perdre_
2007-12-22 03:16 pm UTC (link)
PFK is allowed though.

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(no subject) - [info]minarin, 2007-12-23 06:26 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]thepersona, 2007-12-23 05:09 pm UTC
karma?
[info]tx
2007-12-22 03:09 pm UTC (link)
I tip out of habit. I usually tip 20% (unless I'm using the company card, then it's more than that - yay) although I have left nothing for really bad service.

Tipping is an odd custom.

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[info]minarin
2007-12-23 06:28 am UTC (link)
yep, very odd and confusing X_X

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[info]synthemoestitia
2007-12-22 03:22 pm UTC (link)
Does anyone else find this to be rude?

Yes, challenging you to leave a tip after she provided such a clearly horrible service is very rude.

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[info]minarin
2007-12-23 06:30 am UTC (link)
let's say the service was normal: she actually brought me my drink.

i guess i'd understand, but still find it rude as i have no obligation to.

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[info]zemus
2007-12-22 04:19 pm UTC (link)
"First of all, you don't ASK for a tip."

Eeeexactly! You don't ask for tip! That's just rude and frustrating for the clients. I remember going to a packed show a few years ago (I believe it was at Le Medley), bought a beer and forgot to tip the waiter. She literally went after me WITH A BOUNCER, tapped my shoulder, looked at me with angry/menacing eyes and said "Le pourboire n'est pas inclu dans le prix de la bière!!" (the tip isn't included in the price of the beer) -- Confused and shocked, I took $2 out of my wallet, put it on the counter and walked away as if I just did something horribly wrong. - She didn't even thank me.

I swear, next time somebody ASKS me for tip that way, I'll just ignore them.



Edited at 2007-12-22 04:20 pm UTC

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[info]minarin
2007-12-23 06:40 am UTC (link)
O___O.

wow. just...wow. maybe they should include it in the price and make life easier for everyone.

what mostly bugs me is that when i think something is 10$, i want it to still be 10$ when i leave. it's sort of the way i hate taxes. i wish they just displayed the full price like they do in england haha.

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[info]koneko_keri
2007-12-22 04:35 pm UTC (link)
I don't like to tip but I do it anyway. Mainly because yes, if I didn't tip I'd be fearful of what's in my food when I return. I also got into the habit of tipping more than 15% because when I'd go into a restaurant with friends and we're young (like 18-22)- the wait staff would look down on us because it is a stereotype that young people are cheap. It annoyed me so I'd always leave a big tip to prove a point that we aren't. I'm trying to stop that habit now though because it's costly.

I wish I didn't have to pay a tip unless it was for extraordinary service but here we just have to do it anyway. Ah well

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[info]minarin
2007-12-23 06:42 am UTC (link)
i REALLY don't think it's fair that you would be fearful about what's in your food. geez.

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[info]tvuutietyle24
2007-12-22 04:45 pm UTC (link)
It's all about the asking. Cornering people into tipping you doesn't bring more money, I prefer not even trying it.

As for their "choice of job", well you should be aware that tips end up being most of their income (I think of bar staff for example) and this is what makes those jobs "interesting".

And it must be taken into account, if it hasn't been said already, that their hourly wages are lower because clients tip! So it's a sort of vicious circle that you alone can't change.

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[info]minarin
2007-12-23 06:44 am UTC (link)
yeah, i know nothing will change and only bad things will happen to me haha.

but, how much do they make, if you know? it is legal to pay someone under the minimum?

pft, my job is interesting and i make above the minimum :X i guess it all depends on the person. but, i don't think i should have to pay more because they decided to take a job in a crappy sector, heh.

but, if clients tip, i think that should be a bonus. like at my job, if i do an extraordinary job/am very productive/exceed the expectations, i get a bonus. i've also won 4 gift cards :/ but see, i EARNED it.

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[info]eveglass
2007-12-22 04:49 pm UTC (link)
I think there's one piece of information that seems to get lost when people discuss other countries where tipping isn't required (France, Tokyo, etc.): the prices are higher because they include the tip already.

We could set up a system in Montreal where tipping wasn't required, and where the price in the menu was the price you paid. If we did that, all menu prices would immediately increase by nearly a third (15% for tax + 15% for tip). In the end, you'd be paying the same price as you theoretically do now (if you paid tips); the only difference would be that you'd know, up-front, how much that was.

Having a system where tipping isn't expected isn't a way to pay less. You pay the exact same amount as when you tip now; it's just calculated for you instead of you needing to work it out on your own.

Oh, and you also wouldn't be able to not tip for horrible service, as happened to you at Zyng. When tips are included in the menu price, you pay 15% whether you want to or not.

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[info]minarin
2007-12-23 06:46 am UTC (link)
i would prefer a system like that, even if the once in a while the service was bad. even if they knew they'd be getting a tip anyway, it's not in their best interest to be rude because that could possibly drive business away.

so yeah, i would like that system here.

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[info]monpoissonrouge
2007-12-22 05:52 pm UTC (link)
I'm from Singapore and customer service is 10% and is included in restaurants, whether you like it or not, it's part of the bill :(

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[info]minarin
2007-12-23 06:47 am UTC (link)
at least there is no guesswork, heh.

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[info]odetothepillow
2007-12-22 06:42 pm UTC (link)
I support not tipping if the service is *really* bad. But the thing is then you can't go back to that restaurant *ever* again. Having friends who work in restaurants, trust me when I say that you don't want to fuck with people who deal with something you'll be shoving in your mouth; who knows what will happen to your food between when it's getting ready and your table? So unless you plan never to go to restaurants more than once, I would strongly suggest that you start tipping at the places you plan to go back to...

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[info]fiorucci01
2007-12-22 11:25 pm UTC (link)
I've was in the service industry for several years and just because you don't tip once doesn't mean that wait staff is automatically going to spit in your food. It makes waiters sound like some sort of money grubbing animals. I'm not saying it never happens but it's not likely if the restaurant is half decent. Now being a jack-ass to your waiter, that might get your food spit in. ;p

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