boblothrope ([info]boblothrope) wrote in [info]mbta,
@ 2008-04-03 11:06:00
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Some CharlieTickets can't be transferred to cards
I recently went to a pass sales office to have some CharlieTicket value transferred to a CharlieCard.  The clerk told me that some of my tickets couldn't be transferred because they said "CentralEncoding" on them.  He said this is a new policy.

I asked what the reasoning behind the policy was.  He said some organizations such as halfway houses give out stored value tickets that are already discounted, so they won't allow the value to be transferred to cards which would provide an additional discount.  I told him I got the tickets as an on-time service guarantee refund.  He said he could only give a refund or transfer the value if I brought in the letters that came with the on-time guarantee tickets.  Since the letters only mentioned refunds rather than transferring to CharlieCards, and since I never needed them in the past, I no longer have the letters.

Fortunately, as with most arbitrary bureaucratic nonsense, there's an easy workaround.  Just add some value to each ticket, say, 5 cents, at a station vending machine.  The machine will print new tickets which won't say anything about CentralEncoding.  Maybe if I really want to waste the T's money I'll put each 5 cent transaction on a credit card.

On the plus side, the ridiculous value transfer process was a little quicker this time.  The clerk didn't write down the serial number and value of each ticket on a paper log, nor did he type the serial numbers and values into the computer, as in the past.  After checking the value of my tickets by transferring them onto fresh new tickets, he added the values up on a pocket calculator and typed in the total (in 2 batches, for some reason).



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[info]ron_newman
2008-04-03 03:31 pm UTC (link)
Interesting - I've never seen a "CentralEncoding" ticket before.

One thing I'm wondering -- if your CharlieTicket refunds are for subway rides, and they are for $2.00 each, the right thing for the T to do is actually to transfer only $1.70 each to the CharlieCard. That's probably not a straightforward operation, though.

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[info]mkb_technologie
2008-04-03 03:41 pm UTC (link)
The straightforward operation is for the MBTA to cut the refunds to charliecard fare.

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[info]boblothrope
2008-04-03 05:28 pm UTC (link)
Why? If I got a cash refund for the $2 on-time guarantee tickets and then put the $2 on a CharlieCard myself, I wouldn't lose the 30 cents, so why should I lose it if it's done in one step?

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[info]chenoameg
2008-04-05 03:42 pm UTC (link)
The tickets I get for late buses are marked "centralencoding"

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(Anonymous)
2008-04-03 03:57 pm UTC (link)
They aren't writing down the CharlieTicket number on the paper log, they write down a "Check Tracking Number." They process Ticket to Card transactions as if you had paid by check (for auditing of the agent doing swaps) and then write the number that would be written on the check onto a paper log.

CentralEncoding has existed since AFC was introduced... most discount, donated, Temp SR/TAP permits, student passes, etc. are printed on this machine.

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[info]darksea13
2008-04-03 04:22 pm UTC (link)
Are you one of those people with a corporate pass who is getting refunds for something you don't pay for? Just asking.

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[info]boblothrope
2008-04-03 05:22 pm UTC (link)
No, but I don't see how that's relevant. If the T is 30 minutes late, you get something back regardless of who paid.

People with corporate passes did pay for them -- with their labor.

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(Anonymous)
2008-04-03 05:58 pm UTC (link)
life is short: time is priceless. Giving you two bucks for your trouble when they screw you out of 30 min of your time seems the very least they could do, no matter where your original fare comes from.

If nothing else the cost of these refunds should motivate them to be more punctual, so people who demand them are doing you a service, thank you very much.

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(Anonymous)
2008-04-03 06:03 pm UTC (link)
Life is short? Don't waste your time going after two measly dollars.

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[info]josephineave
2008-04-03 07:01 pm UTC (link)
Actually, they give you a round trip...so it's $4.

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[info]en_ki
2008-04-03 10:20 pm UTC (link)
The minimum you can put on a credit card is one dollar. Ask me how I know.

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[info]boblothrope
2008-04-04 03:09 pm UTC (link)
Really? I thought I once added less than a dollar at a T vending machine. And minimum amounts that don't also apply to cash violate credit card merchant agreements.

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nope
(Anonymous)
2008-04-06 04:43 am UTC (link)
Actually, credit card agreements say that merchant cannot have a minimum or charge a fee if the minimum is not met.

However, it is perfectly ok because they cannot charge less than one dollar because the credit card companies will decline the transaction. Same thing with the Post Office's Automated Postal Kiosks. It can't charge less than a dollar.

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Re: nope
[info]boblothrope
2008-04-07 03:54 am UTC (link)
Over the weekend I helped someone add 30 cents to their CharlieTicket (I bet you can guess why they needed to do that), and they successfully paid with a credit card. So it certainly is possible to charge less than a dollar to a credit card. In fact, card companies are trying very hard to gain market share for small transactions.

Post office machines aren't violating the merchant agreement agreement because they don't accept cash for amounts less than a dollar. (They don't accept cash at all.)

Boston ran into this problem with its new multi-space parking meters, since they required a minimum purchase of $2 on a credit card but accepted cash payments as small as 25 cents. They "solved" the problem by stopping accepting credit cards at all. See http://www.creditcards.com/Boston-Meters-Stop-Taking-Credit-Cards.php .

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More fun with the fare collection bureaucracy
[info]boblothrope
2008-04-07 06:44 pm UTC (link)
Well, I attempted to add 5 cents to each of my CentralEncoding tickets.

It worked for most of them, but the ticket machine managed to lose one of my tickets. I put in the ticket, clicked Add Value, Other Amount, 5 cents, Cash, and put in a coin. The machine made the card-swallowing noise, waited a few seconds, and then said "Unable to issue ticket, please take your money". The coin came back but the ticket didn't. Afterwards, the machine's splash screen displayed "Unable to update tickets" in a red box.

I called the main T number. They took down the details, and said it would be investigated and I'd get a replacement ticket in 4 to 6 weeks. They also gave me the option of having them send an inspector to the station to open the machine and retrieve the ticket, but who knows how long I'd have to wait. Good thing it was just an on time guarantee refund ticket that I lost and not something important -- I've seen people lose their passes in the faregates and they weren't happy.

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