ajhall ([info]ex_ajhalluk585) wrote in [info]maryrenault,
@ 2005-10-25 12:42:00
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Besieged Fortress: Act Two, Part 1
Ralph/Laurie, Seven Years On, Gibraltar and Elsewhere

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In the fortnight or so that had passed since Ralph had gone to sea Laurie had found himself at loose ends, drifting idly round the house, writing letters and then throwing them into the wastepaper basket unsent - not that this mattered, since Ralph wouldn't reach port for weeks yet - thinking of what was needed to secure the house against the gales of winter, and, usually, finding that Ralph had been beforehand in that, too.

He found it difficult to make plans. He had thought himself stagnating in the narrow confines of society here on the Rock, suspecting that Ralph's fishing and smuggling friends saw him merely as his appendage; urban, useless and effete, like someone insisting on wearing patent-leather evening pumps on a country hike.

But their circle did not, it seemed, see it that way after all. Tómas and Annunciata had, if anything, opened their hearts and home more widely since Ralph's departure, and Philippe, on learning that Laurie's spoken and written German was more than adequate, had beckoned him into a corner, one evening in Niko's, and, after much elaborate swearing to secrecy accompanied with gestures which would have been hair-raising had they not been so theatrical, had produced from an inside pocket a black leather-bound diary, battered with long concealment and stained with blood and worse than blood.

"This," Philippe had said, "I have shown to no-body. I took it that night we were compelled to - There was something about the way he died that has always had me wondering, and I thought perhaps now enough time has passed that I should try to find out - You will translate it for me, yes?"

And Laurie had done so. At the end of which Philippe had nodded gravely and said, "Thank you. I thought as much. Le pauvre bougre, he deserved a better country. It is a pity he had to die like that."

And Laurie, unable to think of anything to say in answer, had nodded, and ducked out of the bar leaving Philippe drinking rough brandy with a fierce wolfish smile of vindication on his lips, and gone home to a bed whose restless dreams, for once, were not of Ralph tossing alone on a life-raft far from shore but infused with the waste and pity of war.

His relations with Alec during these weeks were peculiar. Alec rose late, usually, and spent the remainder of the morning between the Post Office, the small reading-room where they took an erratic selection of the English language periodicals and the harbour mole, where he would sit looking out to sea sometimes for hours. He took no siesta (and indeed as the year turned through autumn it was becoming more a matter of habit than of need) and sometimes Laurie found him in early evening, wandering erratically about the streets of the upper town and stopping transfixed to look at odd, random things; a bunch of bright, tiny flowers clinging to a crack in a stone wall, or a lizard sitting on a stone to soak up the last rays of the sinking sun. If Laurie had had less experience in recognising the signs he would have said he had been drinking.

In the evenings Alec was prepared to be more companionable; they would go out for drinks or, very occasionally, a meal down by the harbour, but even there Laurie found him abstracted, noting he would break off from some cool, clinical speculation about the nature of "the fever then raging at Gibraltar" which had accounted for so many of those marble plaques on the walls of the chapel by the Governor's residence to look Laurie over with a detachment almost equally cool and clinical, as though assessing him for the emergence of dangerous symptoms.

But the flocks of migrating birds were coming in thicker and thicker across the Rock, and the rattle of gunfire in the early morning as the locals took their fill for the pot or for the mere joy of slaughter took Laurie back, waking uneasily in the grey dawn, to his early days with the Army in France, and still he could not make up his mind to leave.

It was Edward Longenhurst who decided that matter for him.




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[info]maggiehoneybite
2005-10-25 12:20 pm UTC (link)
Glad to see the story continue. :)

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[info]shezan
2005-10-25 07:53 pm UTC (link)
Act Two! Bliss!

I like Laurie's and Alec's parallel aimless anomias on the slowly cooling Rock. Philippe's story resonates in a very Monsarrat/Sartrian way (and how's that for a 1950s crossover?)... and of ycourse you had to end it on a cliff- (well, rock-) hanger!

Now waiting feverishly for more...

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[info]thewhiteowl
2005-10-25 07:57 pm UTC (link)
I've dug out my copy of The Cruel Sea, and coming from that, I'm not at all surprised at the content of Laurie's usual nightmare. :(

urban, useless and effete Laurie always comes off worse when he compares himself to Ralph; he ought to stop it. :) And it doesn't improve the way he treats Ralph, either.

If Laurie had had less experience in recognising the signs he would have said he had been drinking.

Eeek.

he would break off from some cool, clinical speculation about the nature of "the fever then raging at Gibraltar" which had accounted for so many of those marble plaques on the walls of the chapel by the Governor's residence to look Laurie over with a detachment almost equally cool and clinical, as though assessing him for the emergence of dangerous symptoms.

Very characteristic Alec; I'd be interested to know what he thinks of Laurie at this point. He always seems to be dealing with Laurie at a certain distance. I get the vibe from the book that he doesn't care much for Laurie except in relation to Ralph.

And what a point to stop on! Certainly the presence of Logenhurst would induce anyone to depart for the opposite point of the globe, but I'm hoping it's nothing more sinister.

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[info]shezan
2005-10-25 11:24 pm UTC (link)
And it doesn't improve the way he treats Ralph, either.

Very shrewd, this...

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[info]thewhiteowl
2005-10-26 03:19 pm UTC (link)
Why, thank you :D

I suppose it's only natural that Laurie doesn't like feeling sixteen again. When I think of it, Andrew of course has the opposite effect on him; could that be part of the attraction?

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[info]shezan
2005-10-26 07:58 pm UTC (link)
It's part of Andrew's attraction all right; but Ralph as the young hero's ideal is a configuration that's also very attractive to Laurie. In the book he experiences a small letdown when Ralph ceases to be the halo'ed crusader and talks of his life at sea matter-of-factly, such as when Laurie brings up the book illustration with the shark, and Ralph explains how shark's teeth are aligned.

I think Alec, at the end of the day, doesn't dislike Laurie, because he thinks (he thought in the book, anyway) that Ralph needs him - and what Ralph needs he must have, in Alec's mind. Also, just when they meet, even before he knows Laurie is the famous Odell, Alec answers Laurie who's just apologised for coming to his party "under false pretences" "It seems to me you're very much lacking in pretence." Alec has spotted Laurie as being somewhat special.

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[info]thewhiteowl
2005-10-26 09:22 pm UTC (link)
I think we can all see the attraction of Ralph, in this comm anyway :D
Oh, the shark's teeth, lol. Ralph's so blatently mooning over Laurie, and Laurie has to bring up sharks and distract him. Mind you, AFAIR he was doing his own share of mooning :)

I never quite got what Alec meant about Laurie—I take it Laurie was apologising for the fact that he was only there to see Ralph. I suppose that compared with Sandy's friends he's quite obviously straightforward and honest.

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[info]shezan
2005-10-26 09:47 pm UTC (link)
Yes, but indeed it's Laurie's own mooning brand (so to speak); he's got Ralph in this Pre-Raphaelite Young Knight stained-glass-window mode on the brain.

And Alec meant Laurie was straightforward, yes; there's the crucial bit of recognition, "another loner making his own maps", etc. etc. So I'm pretty sure Alec sees the quality in Laurie all right (plus it's very likely he read Laurie's book.)

But it's possible to be both well-meaning (towards the Ralph/Laurie couple) and just a little nostalgically jealous, I suppose...

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[info]thewhiteowl
2005-10-27 06:40 pm UTC (link)
Laurie likes to stained-glass people; he never stops doing it with Andrew of course, but Ralph is a lot better at escaping from his window. (Can I randomly use the word 'defenestrate' here, even if it's not quite relevent? :D)
I think that's why Ralph is better for him, because he has to react to real Ralph, not imaginary-stained-glass-Ralph.

And, yes, Alec-->Ralph might not be as over as Ralph thinks it is. I don't mean any chance of them getting back together, but Alec obviously still cares greatly about Ralph. He's prepared to stick his nose in a lot for a self-confessed responsibility-avoider. I mean, that's Alec going against his personailty, whereas Ralph trying to knock some sense into Sandy is going with his. Am I making any sense at all here, or just rambling?

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[info]shezan
2005-10-28 02:14 am UTC (link)
Well, it's sort of obvious from the book that it was Alec who dumped Ralph and not the reverse; fairly early on, Ralph tells Laurie Alec has a complete phobia of anyone trying to fence him in (or words to that effect; my copy is elsewhere) and to me the inference is that Alec started acting up when Ralph "tried for two months to find a shore job", which if you stop to think what going to sea means to Ralph was a massively big step. Ralph concludes by saying it was obvious they could not actually live together, but it seems very obvious it was Ralph who, just like he will with Laurie, tried to rush things. (The poor darling is actually massively sentimental, even if he believes otherwise... remember the present he brings Alec at the birthday party, and how obvious it is to Laurie in the very first moments that he came only on account of Alec? It doesnt contradict Ralph's own confession, later on, that he was "on the town"; the sex would have been casual; the present for Alec had been thought through.) I think it's something Alec recognises; and also that he has perfectly seen Ralph's vulnerability behind the superhuman competence and courage. The thing about these two is that they know one another very well.

And so Alec, who does see the uniqueness of Ralph, would feel more responsible than in practically any other situation, because he's the one who can't get tied down.

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[info]thewhiteowl
2005-10-28 01:18 pm UTC (link)
Yes, it's quite obvious that Alec was kicking while Ralph was in full-stem-ahead mode. Exactly the same mistake as he makes with Laurie, yes. So there could be some guilt there for Alec as well as disinterestedly wanting Ralph to be happy.

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[info]thewhiteowl
2005-10-28 01:24 pm UTC (link)
Steam, not stem.

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[info]shezan
2005-10-25 10:48 pm UTC (link)
Right. Until now, in canon, Alec has been the witting catalyst - the wise guide who nudges Laurie in the right direction. He does it for Ralph, of course. And here, everything being equal, he still must see that Laurie has been, until now, good for Ralph. Given that he is himself in complete turmoil, with his whole life being pulled from uner his feet, he still must have an opinion on all this...

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[info]thewhiteowl
2005-10-27 07:11 pm UTC (link)
Yes, we want to read Alec's brain...

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[info]shezan
2005-10-28 02:14 am UTC (link)
*seconds*

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[info]thewhiteowl
2005-10-28 06:44 pm UTC (link)
Do you notice that there're these two names that keep recurring in the comments..we do yak a lot, don't we? :D

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[info]shezan
2005-10-25 11:27 pm UTC (link)
to the first of his days in France

Laurie lived in France for a while?

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[info]ex_ajhalluk585
2005-10-26 07:02 am UTC (link)
why do you suppose he needed to be rescued from Dunkerque in the first place

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[info]shezan
2005-10-26 07:46 pm UTC (link)
Ooops.

Perhaps a tiny little hint more? Because calling it "France" without mentioning or alluding to the war leads to some amount of confusion; I think people think "bombs and fire" before they think "France" when you bring up Dunkirk; and the gunfire at birds did not quite achieve it. Plus, France as a place to travel to (or across) has already been brought up into the story by Alec. And by Ralph before that, as a place to have a week-end of sex.

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[info]ex_ajhalluk585
2005-10-27 07:28 am UTC (link)
Until the growth in the package holiday type boom which happened quite late in my childhood a reference to someone of my parent's generation or older having been "in France" tended to carry with it the inference "being shot at" without more.

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[info]shezan
2005-10-27 09:02 am UTC (link)
Okay, fair cop.

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[info]shezan
2005-10-27 09:06 am UTC (link)
... although by definition, most of your readership, who no doubt ought to know better, will have to make the mental gym.

Brings us back to your discussion of historical novel writing. The way you write this is more period-accurate. It should stay as is, because it's not a major part of the story, and it can be construed by most readers still. When does one start to pander to modern readers' knowledge (or lack thereof) in order to avoid obscurity?

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[info]ex_ajhalluk585
2005-10-27 09:23 am UTC (link)
That's a difficult one, because I suspect two things are going on which make historical novel writing more problematic: first, "history according to the dates" seems to be being taught less and less, so that it is less than safe to assume a common core set of beliefs about what happened when (ie, I'd assume that the averagely educated reader would know that not only was Dunkerque in France but that the British Expeditionary Force had been trapped there because they were retreating through France to get there, but that's perhaps a rash assumption) and secondly people seem not to be being taught that worrying meaning out from context (supplemented if need be by other sources such as dictionaries) is part of learning, and complain a lot more that the author has a duty to explain things "properly".

I think from my point of view that it's one of the essential functions of an editor/beta particularly where one's writing a detective-model story (not necessarily a formal detective story but one where hints and allusions are made progressively through the early parts of the story which the reader is supposed to see as significant and possibly leading up to something, but is given the job of putting together the pieces of what it actually is leading up to for themselves). That is, if you know who dunnit the clue you put into to text may be screamingly obvious to you, but if it depends on extra-textual knowledge that you regard as as obvious as ABC (such as, in my case, basic sailing points such as how close a boat can sail to the wind) your beta might have to cough politely and say, "well, actually..."

In this instance, for example, I doubt a chance to "in his early days with the Army in France" would actually hurt, since Laurie does come from a class who might well have seen France as a holiday destination, even before the war.

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[info]thewhiteowl
2005-10-27 07:03 pm UTC (link)
For what it's worth, I instantly picked up that Laurie was thinking about being in the army. But then, it is one of the sections of history I'm most familiar with.

I know what you mean about the difficulty of pitching the clues at the right level. In a fic I'm writing in Star Wars, I'm having to set up the plot for the sequel, fitting these clues into the plot outline of the films, while simultaneously hinting at a romantic relationship that's going to happen in the sequel. But that's easier because everyone is conditioned to spot romantic relationships long before they come out of the subtext, and even in cases where they were never intended at all.

But of course it's easier in a fandom (at any rate one like Star Wars where it's all made up anyway) because you can assume familiarity with the source material. I expect I would pick up something such as sailing close to the wind, even though my practical experience is limited to mucking about in a dinghy on Lough Erne, but there are plenty of people who just about know that boats are supposed to go on top of the water. And on the other hand, I would be liable to assume that people know more basic physics than they do—in fact, I've introduced the Special Theory of Relativity into the SW fic, and it actually improves the canon timeline, IMO, but then I haven't unleashed on my fandom yet. I suppose the thing to do is to get an editor/beta with a completely different knowledge base from one's own. Or several, to get an average.

You're vastly better at the detective-ish plot than I am, but I'm hoping that lack of plot and wonky plot are things that I'll grow out of as I keep writing.

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[info]shezan
2005-10-28 02:28 am UTC (link)
there are plenty of people who just about know that boats are supposed to go on top of the water.

And even that is mostly contradicted by bitter experience in my case...

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[info]ex_ajhalluk585
2005-10-28 08:23 am UTC (link)
Our gala dinner last night (I'm in Stockholm) was at the Vasa museum which is a classic example of that particular unhappy truth. Sank twenty minutes into her maiden voyage as a result of preposterous design flaws.

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[info]shezan
2005-10-28 10:11 am UTC (link)
Believe me, I can capsize a boat constructed by the best. The human factor counts...

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[info]thewhiteowl
2005-10-28 12:56 pm UTC (link)
Oh, ditto. What, you mean the keel's not meant to be pointing skywards??

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[info]oursin
2005-10-28 12:39 pm UTC (link)
Our impression, on visiting this on our trip to Stockholm, and sitting through the slide show, was that these were almost entirely the result of the King pouting and stamping his foot and insisting on all these 'improvements' over the heads of all his advisers and the presumably v expensive Dutch shipbuilders hired in for the job.

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[info]thewhiteowl
2005-10-28 12:52 pm UTC (link)
I did say supposed to be on top. :D

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[info]shezan
2005-10-28 02:26 am UTC (link)
"history according to the dates" seems to be being taught less and less, so that it is less than safe to assume a common core set of beliefs about what happened when (ie, I'd assume that the averagely educated reader would know that not only was Dunkerque in France but that the British Expeditionary Force had been trapped there because they were retreating through France to get there, but that's perhaps a rash assumption)

Aaarghh, don't even start me on this, it's making me mad. There's this whole notion that dates would be "normative" and "rote learning" and such tripe; To which I of course answer that you need to have learned something by rote in order to be able to make sense of it afterwards; and if you don't know the dates HTF can you tell if Dunkirk happened before or after Stalingrad? Grrrrrrr.

and secondly people seem not to be being taught that worrying meaning out from context (supplemented if need be by other sources such as dictionaries) is part of learning, and complain a lot more that the author has a duty to explain things "properly".

I completely agree that things ought to be divined from context, not plonked in front of you with great heavy lashings of exposition (someone here or on your LJ mentioned how deftly Georgette Heyer managed it). On the other hand, I'm a crazed old bat for clarity in writing, and I think the way ou eventually solve this with ""in his early days with the Army in France" satisfies me; the reader still would need to know what happened, but the unintended confusion would not trouble the waters. Yes, I was immediately thinking of English holiday makers in France in the 30s, from Lord Peter to Bertie Wooster (and Plum for that matter) to Renault herself (she mentions how she picked up The Well of Loneliness while in Le Touquet or Honfleur or some such place), etc.

In the case of sailing points,I have no idea what "to the wind" even means, but it's like reading Hornblower: I can tell by Horatio's reactions whether it's a good thing or not...
and secondly people seem not to be being taught that worrying meaning out from context (supplemented if need be by other sources such as dictionaries) is part of learning, and complain a lot more that the author has a duty to explain things "properly".

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[info]thewhiteowl
2005-10-27 06:42 pm UTC (link)
Well, wasn't Ralph on leave from his ship? So not somewhere he went to specifically, he just happened to be there as part of the job.

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[info]shezan
2005-10-28 02:30 am UTC (link)
Yes but chances are he would not have been spending as uncomplicated a week-end of sex in Britain. The French would not have cared, as long as he paid his hotel bill on the dot.

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[info]ex_ajhalluk585
2005-10-28 08:27 am UTC (link)
Well, it did occur to me that there is at least as long a tradition among the relevant English classes of going to France for sex as of going to France to be shot at (the two often being combined, of course: have you ever read Tell England by Ernest Raymond?)

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[info]shezan
2005-10-28 10:10 am UTC (link)
Hadn't, but went and looked it up and downloaded it from Project Gutenberg. But shurely they went to Turkey to get shot at? (And I can see I'm now going to wade through the whole book to find the gay sex, er, I mean the "classical love" allusions...)

Renault was actually in Honfleur for a holiday with Julie Mullard, come to think of it, and I derived the impression form her forword (or afterword?) to The Friendly Young Ladies that she and Mullard read Radclyffe Hall in bed chortling throughout at the appalling bathos. Hence TFYL, which has definite Waugh comic echoes and is definitely not well enough known...

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[info]ex_ajhalluk585
2005-10-28 03:32 pm UTC (link)
I had a vague impression that "the things of night and the shameful doorway "were in France, though I agree they get killed in Turkey (though, of course, as per History According To Mel Gibson the only troops at Gallipoli were exploited ANZACS being criminally exploited by their brutal English oppressors, which rather makes me wonder how the Lancashire Fusiliers won "6 VCs before breakfast " there).

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[info]shezan
2005-10-28 05:29 pm UTC (link)
According to Mel Gibson and Peter Weir, shurely? I don't think Mel had script approval at the time, even if he no doubt agrees with the anti-Pom-ness of it all...

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[info]geoviki
2005-10-28 07:33 pm UTC (link)
going to France for sex as of going to France to be shot at

This is intriguing news, which has me deeply curious as to which of the two has [info]shezan so strongly encouraging us to visit Paris.

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[info]thewhiteowl
2005-10-26 03:27 pm UTC (link)
Back for a second round; it takes a lot to get all the juice from your fics. :)

usually, finding that Ralph had been beforehand in that, too.
But natch.

So Laurie knows German—was that a book thing or something you made up? Would have been useful during the war—what was Laurie doing while Ralph was in corvettes?

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[info]shezan
2005-10-26 07:50 pm UTC (link)
Doesn't he quote German cinema, probably Murnau and Lang, to Ralph, as a descriptive when he first visits the civilian hospital in Bridstow?

And I know a bilingual German-English junior officer who was never put to work at intelligence matters & made very little use of what had been his first language, until 1945 when he found himself in the occupying forces. ("I was too good at killing people with my hands", he explains, which is a great line even if it's a tad show-off-y.) More likely, nobody thought of asking Laurie, who in the lists was a private, not even an officer possibly suspectable of being clever.

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[info]ex_ajhalluk585
2005-10-27 07:25 am UTC (link)
There's a story about a friend of a friend - a Jewish exile and Maths whizz - whose German accent and name immediately told the recrutiing officer - to whom he reported enthusiastically when war broke out - "suspected security risk". So he went via another route (probably recommendations from his faculty at whichever University he was at at the time ) and fetched up at Bletchley.

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[info]shezan
2005-10-27 08:49 am UTC (link)
Oh, lots of Jewish and anti-Nazi Germans initially got interned as "enemy aliens". And I even suppose if the Nazis had been more like the Soviets, they would have infiltrated spies that way, except I've never heard of any instance of it.

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[info]shezan
2005-10-28 03:39 pm UTC (link)
I expect you've seen the wonderful The Life and Death of Colonel Blimp, right? With the Anton Walbrook character?

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[info]ex_ajhalluk585
2005-10-29 01:15 pm UTC (link)
Oh, it's one of my favourite films. With the wonderful economy of the correlation between big game shooting and loneliness.

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[info]shezan
2005-10-26 09:48 pm UTC (link)
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<iusually, finding that Ralph had been beforehand in that, too.
But natch.</i>

And I loved the bit earlier on when Ralph reflects that he must fix something before he leaves, as Laurie's leg should not be made to climb ladders...

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[info]thewhiteowl
2005-10-27 07:07 pm UTC (link)
Aw, Ralph :)
The mechanics of Laurie and a stepladder would be very very awkward, if all 1940s models were like my grandparents': two ladders hinged at the top and tied together with string. We offspring found it lethal even without a leg that hardly bends at all. That thing wobbled.

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[info]shezan
2005-10-28 02:29 am UTC (link)
Awwwww, Ralph....

:)

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