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A List Your Manga Should not Be On
Don't know if its just hanging out at AoD too much or there is a new cloud of negativity looming over manga lately but something got me going lately. Cancellations seem to be a recent topic across the mangasphere and there have been enough of them that I felt I had to be my usual obsessive self over this. If you are not into my occasional alarmist behavior ignore this post because the big list o' cancellations might freak you out a little... Yeah its big.

So what started this. This has actually been something that have been building up for a while. I remember a year back reading a fine piece over at the Honolulu Star-Bulletin by MangaCast heroes Wilma Jandoc and Jason S. Yadao. The article focused on the "Doomed 54". Essentially a modern day manga massacre of 54 titles all licensed by ADV which never got to see their completion. Since the publishing of that piece a few of those title have been picked up by TOKYOPOP and one actually did get finished (Maburaho #2 came out this Wednesday) but that left around 49 or so titles at manga orphanges wondering if there will ever be a chance they will ever find homes with manga readers in North America (and maybe beyond).

When I read that publishers like Dark Horse and MediaBlasters were dropping titles, I reacted the only way a fanboy could... Ranting up a storm.

Recent decisions over at Dark Horse had some parts of the mangasphere on edge. Same Hat, Same Hat's Ryan is leading a discussion over recent cancellations from the Dark Horse Horror line. Currently at least two titles have found themselves postponed indefinitely. I found this quite surprising when Viz has announced three horror titles (albeit two of them are reprints) at NYCC, citing that horror was the latest trend now.

As you might have heard MediaBlasters has also put a handful of titles on indefinite hiatus. Never fear, Frankie has confirmed that EIKEN is not going anywhere though. Which is what I heard at NYCC

Cancellations are a part of the business. They are not exclusive to this market either. Titles get canceled or are ended prematurely in Japan all the time (occasionally even those titles get licensed after the fact). What is concerning to me is that this is still happening in what is considered a mature market. Back in the 90's having titles go on hiatus was obviously frowned upon by fans, however they were known truths of a business that was still in development. The manga industry is stronger than it has ever been and there are more channels to get mange than ever before. At the same time, when I look at the titles that do get put on "hiatus" I can easily see some patterns.


(Note some CPM/BeBe titles are not listed as the publisher has put them up for solicitation again. I don't have enough info on a number of Infinity titles to tell if they were completed or not. Also publishers that are out of business are not included so ComicsOne, IronCat and Gustoon! are not on this list.)

THESE TITLES ARE ON HIATUS... Cancelled?? That is still questionable for a few of these titles. However these books do not have titles solicited currently and some have been on "break" for a long long time.

Listed by Title, Japanese publisher, vols released, vols total (approx)

ADV MANGA

50 Rules for TeenagersDaiwon C.I.18
BanzaiAkita Shoten02
Blue InferiorKadokawa Shoten14
Boss, the
???333+
By the SwordBiBLOS23
Daemon HunterMagGarden17+
Demon City HunterAkita Shoten22
Desert CoralMegGarden35
Dream Gold
MagGarden14+
Eidron ShadowMediaWorks02
Enmusu
Akita Shoten16
Fantasy LandDaiwon C.I.16
First King AdventuresMagGarden28+
GadgetMagGarden13+
GadirokAlladin28+
Gamerz HeavenMagGarden14+
GATEBiBLOS13
Gunslinger GirlMediaWorks37+
Happy LessonMediaWorks12+
Iga-zukin: The Littlest NinjaMagGarden03+
Jinki: ExtendMagGarden39
Kagerou-NostalgiaMagGarden12
KI-ME-RABiBLOS12
Kids JokerAkita Shoten16
KyrieAkita Shoten02
Lineage??010
Louie the Rune SoldierFujimi Shobo46
Love Blossoms?? 0 ??
LythtisMediaWorks02
More Starlight To Your HeartMegGarden27+
Mystical Prince Yoshida-kunMagGarden12
Mythical Detective
LOKI RAGNAROK
MagGarden25
Noodle Fighter MikiAkita Shoten117+
Notebook of a Demon KillerGentosha16+
Pastel Green Spell??0??
Pretty?? 0 ??
Quantum Mistake??122+
R2MagGarden12
RayAkita Shoten37
Ruler of the LandDaiwon C.I.337+
Saint MarieDaiwon C.I.26+
Sky Blade, Sword of HeavensDaiwon C.I.213
Special Investigation Unit?? 03
Steel Angel KurumiFujimi Shobo911
Sweet & SensitiveDaiwon C.I.214+
TacticsMagGarden27+
Tengai RetrogicalMagGarden13+
Those Who Hunt ElvesMediaWorks821
VaizardMagGarden13+
Yotsuba&!MediaWorks36+
Your and My SecretMagGarden13+


MEDIABLASTERS
Apocolypse ZeroAkita Shoten6 11
Baron Gong Battle
Akita Shoten69
KamunagaraShounen Gahosha610
Pilgrim JagerShounen Gahosha36+
Twin SignalEnix18


BROCCOLI BOOKS
Dejiko's AdventureFujimi Shobo
23
Leave it to Piyoko
MediaWorks1
2
Galaxy Angel PartyBroccoli23


CPM PRESS
Angel ShopSeoul Cultural1
4
Comic PartyOhzora Shuppan39
CoupleC&C Revolution34
Duck PrinceKadokawa Shoten36
DystopiaWani Books01
Fantasy Fighters??1??
Full HouseSeoul Cultural416
GeobreedersShounen Gahosha211+
Hard Boiled Angel??34
Knock Your Heart Out!Sodensha02
Kung-fu Jungle Boy??12+
Kururi of the SeaWani Books04
MascaSeoul Cultural112
Mythology of the Heavens??23+
Nambul: War Stories??36
Oath to Love and PassionSeoul Cultural05
Otogi MatsuriWani Books07+
Pale Pink???01+
Prince StandardWani Books07+
Princess???02
Rockstar's Tale, a??01+
Script DownersWani Books02+
Slayers ReturnFujimi Shobo01
Slayers: City of Lost SoulsFujimi Shobo01
SlayersFujimi Shobo68
Snow??01+
Sweet Cream & StrawberriesSodendsha01
Sword of Shibito, theGentosha28
Zzim!??13
Treasure HunterAkita Shoten23
Warrior's Song??017
Weather WomanKodansha18
Wedding EveOhzora Shuppan01
World of NarueKadokawa Shoten48+
Yongbi the Invincible??34


DARK HORSE
3 X 3 EyesKodansha840
Cannon God eXaXXion
Kodansha57
ChronowarKodansha02
Museum of TerrorAsahi Sonorama
3
10
Octopus GirlLEED34
Seraphic FeatherKodansha69+
Shadow Star Kodansha712
Club 9Kodansha45
You're Under ArrestKodansha27
Legend of Mother SarahKodansha17


DMP BOOKS
Bambi and Her Pink Gunenterbrain!26
Gloom PartyAkita Shoten15
Is He Turning Japanese?
MediaFactory03
robotWani Magazine
3
7+
WorstAkita Shoten316+


DrMASTER
888Gentosha12+
Crayon Shin-chan
Futabasha1036+
Dark EdgeMediaWorks
615
Indian SummerMediaWorks12+
My Sassy GirlBlacktan48


INFINITY STUDIOS
Adrenalin
?? 04
Animal Paradise??13
Fighting!! GuidanceHaksan Munhwasa12+
Hurrah! SailorMediaWorks12
NanananaMediaWorks14
Popo CanMediaWorks13+
Traveler of the Moon, the
Sigongsa13
Zippy ZiggyDaiwon CI13+


VIZ MEDIA
Area 88Shgakukan323
Bio-booster Armor GuyverKadokawa Shoten
724+
Black JackAkita Shoten220
Eat-ManMediaWorks219
Legend of KamuiShogakukan221
Mobile Police PatLaborShogakuakn222
Gundam: the OriginKadokawa Shoten1214
OrochiShogakukan13
Ogre SlayerShogakukan220
Pineapple ArmyShogakukan18
ToughShueisha642
Urusei YatsuraShogakukan934


As you can see, there are a few clear trends here. Surprising, even though I can say that many of the books that fall under these categories should be considered quality the following reasons might explain why they cannot sell in North America.

Manhwa: I have talked to a few NA pubs that release manhwa over the last year and one theme I got from a few of them is how ADV's manhwa escapades in 2004 basically ruined the industry. Because so much of it failed instantly due to poor marketing and bad planning, trust was lost and manhwa became a little harder to license. Then all that manhwa also turned into a glut on shelves. Manhwa for a while was a big part of the manga bubble burst of a few years back.

Now manhwa has not gone away. Actually there are more manhwa pubs than ever before. However, the titles that are being brought over tend to be more in tune with publishers identities than ever before. DH manhwa is action packed and mature. DQ manhwa is stylish, quirky and almost experimental. Sigongsa titles will come from ICE Kunion. NETCOMICS has a more sophisticated approach to their titles; while TP's titles are very modern and good looking. These books are coming out at a more controlled rate now, allowing for some of the artists and the properties to establish themselves to an unfamiliar market.

There is no doubt in my mind that most of the manhwa titles available now are more likely to perform better in this market. However, some of those canceled titles were not too shabby. As North American readers have had around 20 years to read manga, manhwa has only been around for around 5. The artists are not established here yet and you definitely don't see anime properties of these titles on cable. So even if My Sassy Girl was a hit in indie houses and film festivals worldwide, that did not translate to sales in a volitile industry a few years back.

Mature Titles: I find it ironic that most of the mangablogs on my radar tend to favor titles for an audience older than say Shonen Jump's. Sure everyone has read an SJ title before. A manga fan cannot earn their MangaSphere passport without doing so. Meanwhile, there is so much more manga out there that is not getting the attention it deserves. It wasn't that long ago when most manga was marketed to older readers. The Pokemons and Sailor Moons changed that and with the Narutos that market seems to have turned into what the old guard of superhero comics is now. We are vocal, knowledgeable and willing to spend the money... But our numbers a not growing as fast as the rest of the market.

I really think there are more seinen readers now than before. At the same time when shelves at Borders are packed with titles for teens then those great DH titles, the gems from TP and Viz's Signature titles don't stand out. Shelf space is in prime demand, but where should BERSERK be stacked. Would it be better served in the graphic novel stacks with Marvel Comics and Strangers in Paradise? Should there be a seinen section in the manga stacks. Maybe add an all ages section as well for the parents out there.

Maybe Del Rey has a point with the larger trim size. Those books sure stand out at Borders... Because sometimes they have to go on the top shelf or on their own racks since they don't fit on shelves with the digest sized books. I know that the lack of literature and knowledge of these titles have created problems at some specialty stores and comic shops also. In my neighborhood, the local Kinokuniya has a large translated manga section and the staff is knowledgeable about artists but even they at one point shelved all of the DMP Books in their Boys Love section. (So Enchanter was next to Clan of the Nakagamis). Same was the case for all of Go!Comi's books. Once they saw Higuri You someone decided to put all of their books with the BL. Comics Relief in Berkeley has a huge manga section and an even larger graphic novel section. Adult titles go to the adult section - BL and eromanga. Non-fiction and alternative manga goes into the non-fiction and alternative stacks respectively. So Warren Buffet and Buddha are placed with Persepolis; while ROBOT is stacked with other weird books. Almost new manga is stacked together in their own new manga shelf for around two weeks before they get sorted. Interesting idea that combines concepts used in bookstores with the familiarity of their comic shop readership.

Clearly shelving isn't the only problem. Like with manhwa readers are not as familiar with these artists. Oh!Great's might be a seinen artist but he does shounen and his properties have been animated. Koike has a following here, but his manga has been released in the States for at least 15 years now. Is the only way to sell seinen manga through movie tie-ins like Parasyte or Bug Master? Like Ryan from SH,SH asks isn't the larger market bringing in enough readers for these books? There has to be an audience for Museum of Terror and 3X3 Eyes. How can we have OMG! without You're Under Arrest? Maybe PopoCan and 888 were too random and Indian Summers' lolita possibly was too much for this market but Gunslinger Girl failed? Yeah, Phoenix can be looked at for the third time but BlackJack is not getting a re-try? PatLabor is getting a re-release of its movie franchise and that wonderful series has not been given a chance? (I will say the length of that last title might be risky... Though I would love to see that replace Firefighter when Daigo retires this fall.) If great works are not selling then what will? Publishers can't commit to properties that don't sell; it is not logical to expect that even if they have the backing of Japanese publishers or major western publishers.

Fantasy: Dallas Middaugh had it right when he said manga is like TV. Manga can be any genre imaginable. Manga magazines in Japan are like different TV channels - ShoComi, Ribbon and Nakayhoshi are the girls channels. Albatross View is the Golf Channel. Office You is the OL channel. The salaryman channels come from Big Comic, Business Jump and a number of Futabasha magazines. There are BL channels, mahjong channels and there are even lolicon channels that would be blocked out by most TVs in the west.

Fantasy could be found in the pages of many magazines. Some of the most popular came from Dragon Jr and they now come from Dragon Age. Sadly many of the titles that come over from these magazines (Monthly Gao! was another source for this genre) just don't take off out here. Ironically, many of these titles also have anime backings and fantasy RPG games are also very popular in the west. There are exceptions of course, but I can't help shed man-tears when I see titles like Eat-Man and Louie struggle. I want the Fantasy Channel but I can apparently only get it on demand...

I want to admit I did sensationalize this a bit. Sorry for blowing this out of proportion. Looking at that list one could say there is enough manga on that list to make a real strong catalog for a pub. Actually a few of these titles have been picked up. Truth is that the number of indefinite delays dropped significantly in 2006. The majority of them are now coming from a couple publishers and the bigger publishers like Del Rey and TOKYOPOP never have these problems (and the last title Viz canned was TOUGH early last year). Publishers know you readers better than ever. So most of the licenses you see, even from smaller pubs, are finding readers. This business still needs more education and more eyes to make the Pilgrim Jagers and Octopus Girls thrive.

The MangaSphere is in the business of manga education. Checkout sites like Same Hat, Same Hat, Completely Futile, Robots Never Sleep for manga randomness. These guys review the unlicensed manga that I would review if I didn't have to hide those books from my non-otaku GF. Meanwhile, Manga Junkie looks at the unlicensed stuff I say I buy for my GF, but read alone on the train ride from Kinokuniya. Regular feature at Shaenon Garrity's LJ is the Overlooked Manga Festival gives readers a look at the titles that are either on the list or are flirting with the list. Slightly Biased Manga might look like another shoujo site, but look closely and you will find reviews of Bride of Diemos, Lie to Me and Four Shojo Stories... Yeah the legendary shoujo fringe. Same can be said about the mangamaniacafe. Any site that has reviews for major list contributors Infinity Studios and MediaBlasters deserves some respect.

Check these sites out. Study them. Go hunt down copies of MangaVision, SuperMangaBlast and PULP. Share all that information with your friends and family and come back next year when I go through process again... There will be a test and those taking it will be Reiko the Zombie-shop, Rojie and Muhyo and the Boogiepop Novels.



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[info]anderson_t
2007-03-11 02:05 am UTC (link)
I'm still hurting over MoT and Worst, but I can say that I'm very proud of the fact that BL fans are in full effect when it comes to supporting their genre... <<>

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[info]naniwa
2007-03-11 08:33 am UTC (link)
Have to give it up to BL. Those readers are very conscious of what is out there and they do a great job supporting those books.

I used to feel that the BL sector works because of the length of those titles bringing down the commitment needed to sustain those books, but I know there is more to it. The increasing number of books prove that BL readers are really coming out to support those books. Really the BL community just tends to do more to communicate and nurture a culture around that market better than any other niche.

I wish the horror and hentai crowds could do that. Lord knows the sports manga geeks aren't going to do it cause the five of us tried and then gave up to play SEGA's Fantasy Soccer Manager. >_>

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[info]anderson_t
2007-03-11 03:25 pm UTC (link)
LOL! I think horror has a chance...if DH [or even VIZ/TP] can convince non-manga reading fans to pick up some horror titles from Japan [they way DH has done with their western horror lines]; then the money will be there to keep printing future volumes. I'm not saying the current horror manga fandom isn't there supporting, I'm just saying that 1. DH needs to come down in price a bit to foster that fandom which relies on scans at the moment, and 2. figure out a way to appease that fandom which tends to appreciate elements of guro in their horror--and not alienate non-guro fans, who are fans of horror overall. It's a tough job, I don't envy them that task.

Dude, new linky: http://www.kktribe.com/

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[info]naniwa
2007-03-11 07:50 pm UTC (link)
KK Tribe... The guys moved back to Japan in January. The movie projects didn't pan out like they hoped. >_> But they are still blogging.

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[info]anderson_t
2007-03-11 10:48 pm UTC (link)
I caught that also. The blog was still active--but I wonder...you think certain Koike themes just fail in Hollywood these days? :/ I'd hate to think some of his themes are dated... >.> I mean, the Replacement Killers, as great as it was, just seemed like a Crying Freeman shadow, to me.

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[info]naniwa
2007-03-12 04:45 am UTC (link)
Good lord that avatar might explain why Koike might not work that well here. Yeah there is violence in his all of his work (including the golf manga) but how would someone be able to capture H scenes from the Crying Freeman Kumagyaku Arc. That was nothing but sex and bears for 80 pages or so. And Freeman just walks around naked all the time...

Now that I think about it, a title like that could do well with the ladies. I mean 300 is all about the Spartan man meat right?!

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[info]anderson_t
2007-03-12 02:10 pm UTC (link)
>.> I actually loved 300 for it's historical take on the story...have yet to see the film. I'm more interested right now in the Amazon's arc out from D.C. at the moment...I wonder what that says about me?

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[info]autophanous
2007-03-11 02:27 am UTC (link)
dammit, viz, I will never forgive you for stopping black jack after only two volumes.

also, there are way, way, WAY too many manga I own that are on that list . . . ! sigh.

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[info]wintersweet
2007-03-11 03:02 am UTC (link)
Interesting thoughts. I'm definitely kind of frustrated with the lack of young men's and "ladies'" manga in English.

The link to the Overlooked Manga Festival doesn't seem to work.

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[info]naniwa
2007-03-11 08:21 am UTC (link)
Fixed... I think.

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[info]khursten
2007-03-11 03:47 am UTC (link)
It's sad that a lot of these are really good and fun titles to read. ;A; I can't believe Black Jack stopped with 2! AND GOD YOTSUBA TOO!?! I mean, will this happen to Monster as well?! (In that case, if monster gets stopped, will Twentieth Century Boys never see the light of day in English?)

I was talking to friends that US manga publishers don't know which copies to keep and which copies to stop. It's quite frustrating for people who have a passion for mangas but can't read Japanese. Hence many just toil their time in studying Japanese just so they can keep on reading mangas that they like.

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[info]ensuing
2007-03-13 09:19 pm UTC (link)
I don't think it's that all US manga publishers don't know what to keep and what not to keep, it's all based on what sells and what does not sell (Except when it comes to ADV, man, I don't know what's going on there). It's sad to see some of these titles (possibly) canned, but if it is not making the company money, why should they be expected to continue it?

Series like Guyver and Black Jack are really awesome, but they were first released before manga boomed (I think Guyver stopped in '97, and Black Jack in '99). Both also have an (awesome) older style that doesn't appeal much to today's market, at least compared to the mainstream Jump titles.

As for Monster, I don't know how sales are, but I don't think that its American run will be cancelled. It seems too loved, by both fans and the people that work on it.

(Haha, you're rooting for Twentieth Century Boys, I'm going for Master Keaton! Let's hope both are brought over! ^_^)

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on twenith centrey boys
(Anonymous)
2008-04-25 04:56 am UTC (link)
try www.one manga .com

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(Anonymous)
2007-03-11 03:50 am UTC (link)
bigger publishers like Del Rey and TOKYOPOP never have these problems

I wouldn't say never, look how long it took TP to re-release CLAMP no Kiseki, bigger pubs have the same problem, while Del Rey is still new enough to not run into it much. A good example, look at TP's online exclusive program, it was an alternative to outright cancellation, and don't forget some of their lower-selling titles like Kindaichi, Lupin, and much of their manwha receive a release of 1 vol. a year. Not ouright cancellation, but pretty darn close. I'm sure Viz has their crawlers too. Just sayin, all pubs run into this issue.

~_^

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[info]naniwa
2007-03-11 08:18 am UTC (link)
Very good point. And the Kindaichi example is something that irks me but I have to say I still somewhat support for the time being. As long as there is a commitment, I give the pub a thumbs up for following through. Looks good to the fan and maybe even the licensor might respect that also.

But I will agree, every pub has to endure these issues as there is no way to guarantee success for every title licensed.

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(Anonymous)
2007-03-11 03:54 am UTC (link)
You forgot Gutsoon titles! :D

isaacada1

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[info]naniwa
2007-03-11 08:24 am UTC (link)
Don't start me on those dead pubs... dont forget all that crazy comedy and fanservice IronCat licensed before they closed shop. And some of the ComicsOne stuff wasn't that bad either. For a while they were the only pub releasing real ladies manga - nurse manga, vet manga, josei dramas.

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[info]simside
2007-03-11 04:10 am UTC (link)
What a nice writeup! I had no idea that Broccoli and Infinity cancelled titles like that. Infinity especially has me scratching my head. And I cry a little bit every time I think about 3x3 Eyes. More tears for Museum of Terror and Octopus Girl, though they are fresher, hotter ones... especially since Octopus Girl only has ONE MORE VOLUME.

Not to sound like too big a geek, but there may be a few more you could add to the list. You know, to make things look even more grim :p I could be completely off base on some of these too, I have no idea of their fates once the next volume doesn't come out in most cases.

Dark Horse - Scary Book: no one mentioned this one when talking about MoT and Octopus Girl, but it had the lowest profile of the three and doesn't have a solicitation either. I worry about it, and I think it probably went the same way as the others.

Viz -
Pokemon Adventure/Magical Pokemon Journey: MPJ was over when Viz published volume 7, but may have started up again or run a spinoff since... I heard about it a long time ago, but can't find anything right now to back myself up. Pokemon Adventure wasn't finished and is still running in Japan, up to volume 22.
No. 5: I don't know if the cut came here or in Japan, but the series definitely wasn't over at volume 2.
Fist of the North Star: If Ogre Slayer and Pineapple Army made the list, it seems fair to include this one too since they held the license for awhile. This one's more a sad story for another publisher, though.

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[info]naniwa
2007-03-11 08:15 am UTC (link)
Well, I want to say that not all of those titles are "cancelled". They are on "hiatus". Some might be coming back, some are being looked at again (I have been told by insiders that a few of these are not completely dead). But yeah there are enough that even I couldn't find them all ^_^.

And thanks for the info, I'll try to add those.
However, Fist of the North Star transferred to another publisher that closed down. And as I noted Gustoon!, IronCat and ComicsOne were left off the list entirely as the publisher is not around any more.

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[info]simside
2007-03-11 05:16 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, I knew Gutsoon had it since then, and I've got some of the Master Editions... they're just so MANLY. I don't understand how the Road Warrior in manga form failed twice. Not once, but twice. Doesn't the country cry out for more of this sort of thing on a daily basis?

Anyway, I just included it because I remember being totally shocked when my roommate brought home a Viz issue from the quarter bin of the comic store. I had no idea they ever held the license, so I thought I'd mention it.

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[info]cchan5000
2007-03-11 05:36 am UTC (link)
It sure is sad to see so many series that I own on this list. Especially since I don't have THAT many books...Just about one bookcase of the GN sized books. It is always sad when a series gets canceled. Even sadder when it is a good series. The worst? Seeing a huge list of good ones like this! But, thus is business I suppose. All of us will just have to win the lotto and pool the prize money to put them out no matter what.

I was talking with a friend yesterday about shelving. I think it would be a good idea to break things up a bit more by genre. The trick for large bookstores is probably where to put all the titles or having a staff knowledgeable enough to sort them. But this is an argument for another day...

Today we shed manly tears for this list.

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(Anonymous)
2007-03-11 06:29 pm UTC (link)
Supposedly ADV has said that Yotsuba&! will be continued. Eventually.

Thanks for the link, btw.

--Adam (from Completely Futile)

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[info]naniwa
2007-03-11 07:53 pm UTC (link)
No problem Adam.

And yeah, ADV has said it. I want to see an ISBN-13 listed somewhere to go with it. ^_^

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(Anonymous)
2007-03-11 09:44 pm UTC (link)
Viz did finish Short Program. They released an unflipped second volume.

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[info]naniwa
2007-03-11 10:38 pm UTC (link)
Wow, very cool. I wasn't are of it but I guess it came out back in 2004.

Just ordered it from Amazon.

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[info]lostphrack
2007-03-12 04:48 am UTC (link)
I thought Peacemake Kurogane was now in TP's hands?

I'm still bitter over MoT, but I have to admit that I thought there'd be more DH titles on the list. Glad to see that's not the case, though there still are a lot of series from the other publishers that I've been curious about that seem to have been canned. Meh.

I also get the impression that there's been a slow increase of seinen fans in the past year or so, and it's just going to continue as the current crop of manga readers continue to age. Hopefully the current crop of publishers will try and do a bit more to reach them and to keep them hanging around.

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(Anonymous)
2007-03-12 08:28 am UTC (link)
Viz's kill-list includes also Hideo Yamamoto's Visitors Inc. 3/11 vols.

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(Anonymous)
2007-03-14 05:49 am UTC (link)
You're right, Peacemaker Kurogane was picked up by TOKYOPOP, who is releasing the first series first (starting in August) instead of the sequel first...

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[info]crocolyle
2007-03-12 08:30 am UTC (link)
Comics Relief in Berkeley has a huge manga section and an even larger graphic novel section. Adult titles go to the adult section - BL and eromanga.

It's been a few months since I've been to Comics Relief, but as great as their primary manga section is, I've found their BL selection to be minuscule. OTOH, their nearest major competitor, Dr Comics and Mr Games, has an easy-to-browse adult section for 18+ BL or hentai. It's annoying since there are so few things where Comics Relief doesn't shine... kinda like my frustration with the lackluster manga sections at some of the better San Francisco stores (namely Isotope and Comix Experience).

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(Anonymous)
2007-03-13 04:07 am UTC (link)
One correction for CPM- Geobreeders had 5 volumes released in English before CPM shelved it.

But yeah, I'm just like everybody else here, it's frustrating and sad looking at that list, because there are so many books on that list I bought and supported and strongly feel would be successful under a different set of circumstances. I was (and still am) a massive 3x3 Eyes fan and still give DH the stink eye over their handling of it at the end of its release in English. Also Eat-Man, RAY, Yotsuba, Black Jack, Seraphic Feather, Patlabor, Exaxxion, Louie, the list just goes on and on.

What makes it most frustrating to me is that while the titles have been cancelled/put on hiatus, they are not actually OVER. By that I mean, while the book's English release is cancelled, the story still goes on and volumes are still out, just in Japanese or Korean. I am a completist by nature and one of those people who just "has to know" how a story turns out. So when Baron Gong Battle or World Of Narue ends prematurely, it drives me crazy knowing I now have to either track down the native-language volumes and find some translation, or do without knowing what happened...

Then again, I'm just picky like that... ^_^

- Akcoll99

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(Anonymous)
2007-03-13 12:24 pm UTC (link)
oh god, i have a number of books from a few of the publishers. T___T What am I going to do with the books????

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(Anonymous)
2007-03-14 07:03 am UTC (link)
Are you sure ROBOT is cancelled? DMP don't release it often due to the Japanese releases are slow too (it takes at least around 6 months for a new volume of ROBOT to be released in Japan [it's up to seven now]). But I can understand though, due it's sometimes mature audience material would be a tough sell. With Volume 3 release not that long ago, I'm floored they stopped altogether.

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[info]naniwa
2007-03-14 04:56 pm UTC (link)
As noted at the top of the list, these titles are on hiatus. Some of them are coming back. Some have actually been print and are waiting to be solicited. As publishers very rarely use the terms "cancelled" it is hard to know what is and what isn't.

However, there has not been a solicitation for volume 4 released yet. And nothing has been mentioned on their site. But with release schedules through December 2007 out for DMP I would wonder why that wasn't mentioned. At the same time, they took a more than year to finish IWGP and I heard ROBOT has relatively done well for this publisher so I hopefully we will see it on a Diamond list later this year.

Considering the production behind something like that I am sure it isn't easy to get something like that printed quickly either.

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[info]eromenos_x
2007-03-16 04:24 am UTC (link)
I don't mind manwha. I actually like alot of it. its just that one of the ones i really liked (Full House) even though i only read up to volume 2 cause that was as far as my friend was willing to translate for me. I was so happy when it got liscensed. And then it stopped..after the 4th volume. And I don't think the company is going to ever finish it. Does this mean it wont ever be finished in english? Or can another company do it?

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[info]jadexanadu
2007-03-16 04:48 pm UTC (link)
Treasure Hunter from CPM actually did finish. At least, I've got all three volumes. Did volume 8 of Those Who Hunt Elves really come out? I've only got through 7, and I was ordering these through Previews, and never got it.

Lists like these are really depressing for bibliophiles like me, though, with all the books I already get, by pocket book (and husband) don't mind. :) I'd love to see Comic Party continue. I loved the characters. Now, I'd be REALLY happy if Mythical Detective Loki (FIRST and second series') got picked up to go with Tactics...

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Re: oh wow
[info]naniwa
2007-03-18 11:02 pm UTC (link)
Ah thanks. I haven't seen Treasure Hunter in stores before, so I wasn't sure.

I have a review copy of TWHE 8 but I also have one for First Prince 2... Same goes for Angel Shop 1. Its possible that TWHE never got to hit shelves like the other two.

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oh wow
(Anonymous)
2007-03-18 08:10 am UTC (link)
I can't believe so many titles are on hiatus! One title, Dark Edge, I have been reading for the past year and a half and I'm still waiting for it to finish!

Also, would you happen to know anything about an older series called the Bride of Deimos? There was supposed to be 17 volumes produced by Comics One and I think only 7 came out.

Thanks

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Re: oh wow
[info]naniwa
2007-03-18 10:53 pm UTC (link)
Bride of Deimos ended prematurely when the publisher went out of business.

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Regarding Viz titles
(Anonymous)
2007-03-25 12:51 pm UTC (link)
A late response but I just find out about this post.
Viz's list is missing:
No.5 2/?? vols.
Voyeur's Inc 3/11 vols.

Also, regarding Legend of Kamui...
Sanpei Shirato has done 3 Kamui series:
Kamui-den [Legend of Kamui] Golden Comics, 1964-71 21 vols.
Kamui Gaiden [Legend of Kamui Continuation] Golden Comics, 1982-87 2 vols.
Kamui-den Dai 2 Bu [The Legend of Kamui (Part 2)] Golden Comics, 89-98(?), 20 vols(?).

Though I could be mistaken, I believe Viz never did the original series. I've let myself to be told that what Viz did was that Gaiden series, so it was actually completed.

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