Your Cruise Director ([info]cruisedirector) wrote in [info]mandc100,
@ 2004-03-20 10:51:00
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Kindred
Title: Kindred
Author: [info]cruisedirector
Rating: PG
Word count: 100
Characters: Stephen, Dil
Notes: Spoilers for H.M.S. Surprise.
Rum to: Stephen would probably rather have laudanum, so give it to Jack.


When he saw the body lying on the ground, killed by kindness (his own kindness) and the poverty around her, Stephen thought of Ireland. He had known wretched children there who had no one to feed or teach them; children for whom he had once thought he could fight, bastards like himself, whose fate he might have shared save for his own luck in youth.

He looked at this girl whom he might have saved, had he known more, had he been able to see more clearly. "I am of her caste," he said. "I will attend to the fire."



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[info]sparowe
2004-03-20 08:00 am UTC (link)
How sad.... And yet, there is a regretful (?) rightness to it. You touched upon it gently, beautifully.

Anon

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[info]cruisedirector
2004-03-22 07:33 am UTC (link)
Thanks -- and definitely regretful (painfully so). Do we ever learn much about Stephen's childhood in later books? I was guessing.

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[info]missizzy
2004-03-20 08:19 am UTC (link)
Wow. Now that's a last line.

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[info]cruisedirector
2004-03-22 07:33 am UTC (link)
Thanks. That scene is just so cruelly, miserably awful in the book...

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[info]thingsunseen
2004-03-20 09:26 am UTC (link)
"I am of her caste," he said. "I will attend to the fire."


How is it that a hundred words---just a hundred---can blanket me in goosebumps?

You're amazing.

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[info]cruisedirector
2004-03-22 07:34 am UTC (link)
Thanks so much! The power of that scene is really all O'Brian's; the novel had me in tears there.

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[info]marginalia
2004-03-20 12:29 pm UTC (link)
beautiful.

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[info]cruisedirector
2004-03-22 07:34 am UTC (link)
Thanks very much.

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[info]bronzelionel
2004-03-20 10:46 pm UTC (link)
Oh, hell.
Dear god.
I.. yeah.
What a stroke of genius, ma'am.
Brilliant. :D

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[info]cruisedirector
2004-03-22 07:42 am UTC (link)
Thanks -- that scene in the book is just so painful. I wish I knew more about Stephen's background...who made sure he got educated and afforded a place despite his birth...

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[info]bronzelionel
2004-03-22 08:50 pm UTC (link)
From what I understand- and I may be hugely incorrect- the Fitzgeralds did, paying little heed to the fact that he is "only a bastard."
He meets some of them at a party in one of the later books and remarks on this.

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[info]cruisedirector
2004-03-23 09:25 pm UTC (link)
Ah, you are further ahead in the books than I am! Thanks!

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[info]childeproof
2004-03-21 08:20 am UTC (link)
I finally managed to see M and C and adored it! It is screamingly slashable, and virtually every performance was solidly excellent - and how can you not like a film that distracts you with Ancient Mariner references, and then, while you're shouting 'Nooo, don't shoot the albatross, stooopid!' at the screen, gets in a double whammy by putting a bullet in the divine doc.

I plan to go back and persevere with the novels, until I finally manage to read a page about binnacles and fo'c'sles without having to look things up all the time.

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[info]cruisedirector
2004-03-22 07:46 am UTC (link)
I told you it was screamingly slashable! The books even more so, and there are a lot of canon gay characters to wit. And since I know you don't object to RPS the way I do *cough*, I might as well mention that those actors slash themselves, in interviews and just by working together as they do.

The first novel gave me the most trouble with the fo'c'sles and spritsails and the rest...I skimmed the really long passages, and now at the end of the third novel that stuff actually excites me. *g*

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[info]childeproof
2004-03-22 08:20 am UTC (link)
Excited by fo'c'sles, you kinky creature.

Can you provide chapter and verse for the actors who slash themselves, if you don't regard this as violating the entirely admirable purity of your non-RPS stance?

*Realises she is sounding cynical and jaded*

It's not that I am not ethically informed, it's more that I have more issues with colonising gay sexuality for my personal kicks, than with rubbing up against someone's name, to which I have appended an entirely invented personality. This probably has something to do with the fact that MY RL name is common in my part of the world, and if you google me, the first several results are for a website by an appalling Doppelganger Me who writes cringeworthy greeting-card-style poetry by the lorryload.

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[info]cruisedirector
2004-03-22 08:41 am UTC (link)
...write the Crowe/Bettany RPS FAQ? Oh, right, except that it would probably, um -- did you actually say "colonising gay sexuality"? oh dear, you did -- it would undoubtedly contribute to the reification of the essentialist construction of the discursive modality of the carnivalesque postmodern eroticism of the gaze...heck, I've been out of academia for ten years and just can't explain things properly anymore, I'm sorry!

You really must see Crowe and Bettany flirting on Jonathon Ross, and read Crowe describing the slashy appeal of M&C, and Bettany's explanation of why he's Crowe's bitch forever now, and...damn, I don't think the Access Hollywood interview is online anywhere. I suppose that some enterprising person should collect all of these things in one place. *vvveg*

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[info]childeproof
2004-03-22 08:58 am UTC (link)
Okay, I AM writing a conference paper as we speak, but 'colonising gay sexuality' isn't as Academic-Speak as all THAT, surely? It's also true that this is what slash does.

What makes me shuffle in guilt at intervals is being reminded that there are gay people coming out to hostile small towns, and worrying and being discriminated against for their sexual orientation, and there I am skipping through the daisies of imaginary sekrit gayness projected extra large for my personal delight. (But no, I'm not planning to write angsty coming-out narratives where the entire LOTR cast turns against the comer-out. For one thing, I can't, because I've happily written the entire cast as gay...)

Many thanks for these.
*rubs hands*

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[info]cruisedirector
2004-03-22 01:41 pm UTC (link)
I somehow do not think that the average man whacking off to lesbian porn worries about whose sexuality is he colonizing. Nor do I worry much about whether I am colonizing Russell Crowe's sexuality whether I am envisioning him with me, Meg Ryan, Hugo Weaving, or a sloth...oh wait, the sloth would be only when he is in character as Jack Aubrey, and he got paid for playing the role, so I guess that's not actually colonization.

Seriously, I do not think that women having erotic fantasies about gay men is in any way damaging to gay people coming out in small towns, no more than I have ever bought Andrea Dworkin's argument that men getting off to lesbian porn is a form of violation (if the women had their pictures taken against their will, either because of industry practice or economic necessity, that is a different argument, but I refuse to accept the extrapolation that fantasizing about performers in situations outside their performances is tantamount to rape).

Have found more Bettany/Crowe quotes, by the way. *g*

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[info]childeproof
2004-03-31 08:51 am UTC (link)
Belatedly on this - I don't mean that slash is actually damaging in any straightforward way to our imaginary small-towner, or that it somehow hurts Russell Crowe. (ANYTHING hurting RC is slightly difficult to envisage.)

But I've been watching with pity and horror the genuine torment of one of my students who is doing precisely that (coming out in small-town Ireland, I mean, rather than hurting Russell Crowe!), and the contrast with the carefree use of gayness in primarily straight-authored slash flickers in the back of my head as an ironic contrast, which is not, I find, particularly pleasant in a time when discrimination is still widespread. If everything were free-and-equal, I wouldn't be bothered.

And you'll note that this doesn't stop me writing slash. In fact I am just making Sean Bean do sexual things to Viggo Mortensen as we speak!

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[info]cruisedirector
2004-04-01 06:00 am UTC (link)
Oh, I understand what you're saying; I simply don't think that writing carefree gay characters is hurting gay people either in terms of contributing to prejudice against them or in terms of discounting the very real issues of homophobia, though to some extent that's regional (I meet people much younger than me, particularly women, who seem not to understand that yes, there are places where people still get beaten up and even killed for being gay, but I don't think it's LOTR slash that's contributing to that confusion).

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[info]sparkymonster
2004-03-31 06:42 am UTC (link)
but 'colonising gay sexuality' isn't as Academic-Speak as all THAT, surely

To interrupt, I'm afraid it is really. Not that I wouldn't use it in casual conversation, but I'm madly overeducated and read too many academic books about porn.

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[info]childeproof
2004-03-31 09:01 am UTC (link)
Well, it's something I would entirely say in casual conversation. But then I have just found myself teaching Swift's 'The Lady's Dressing Room' via a terrible television programme called 'Room Raider', so why would I have any sense of what gets said in and out of the academic context? Groan.

Great icon. It's making my bra (black, plain) feel inadequate.

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