starranise ([info]starranise) wrote in [info]malaysians,
@ 2006-04-27 11:12:00
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Youth Rights in Malaysia:

yesterday was trash. i don't remember the last time i've ever felt so fucking fragile. i had an accident yesterday while during this play i was helping with because i had to pee not even halfway through the play and i had to man the soundboard. it wasn't the most horrible thing that could happen and i'm lucky i'm thick skinned. my main dilemma is i think that my bladder problem is due to child abuse. when i was in primary school (chinese school) i had this teacher who taught us Malay and we had to read from a sheet of a hundred malay words, all the words, five times each. we did this for 50 minutes straight and this class was always before recess. for some reason, i always had to pee during the beginning of this period and the teacher would never let me leave because recess was next and i had to read the stupid, fucking words. my teachers back then couldn't even pronounce 'vegetable' properly and they wanted us to read those stupid words so we could somehow improve our pronounciation.

anyway, a few times a week i would be holding it in for 30-45 minutes and when recess came i'd be crying in my seat holding on to myself because the toilets were at the other side of the school and i did not dare stand up fearing i'd wet myself. i've had a couple of accidents in my adolescent years and it is not fun at all.

i hate malaysia so much. i hate the education system and i hate the teachers. most of all i hate that fucking bitch of a teacher for never even considering that what she was doing may have been detrimental to my health. i could have gotten kidney stones and now i think i may have weak bladder control and i'm only 19.

Malaysia does little, almost nothing, to encourage young people effectively without coming up with something more mundane and ineffective as 'ceramahs' and forums. Many Malaysian parents still encourage teachers to discipline their children through physical punishment in schools. Malaysian educators still fail to recognise that everyone has different methods of learning and we should help children in ways that make sense to them instead of beating them senseless. I have a friend who was born left handed but got beaten up by his dad because he wanted him to be right handed. That's vaguely related, but you get what I mean.

Malaysian youths are dropping out of high school or getting taken into harmful past times because students and their parents think that they're stupid just because they don't get lots of A's. There is no consideration whatsoever for the intellectual growth of young people but merely their entrances into university and the working world. Young people in Malaysia are not given that extra oppurtunity to discover themselves because there are no facilities that cater for the youths and much less outside of the capital city and in the rural areas. The government attempts to cater for young people through the 'Youth and Sports' minister, further demonstrating that our options and solutions as youths are limited to sports. I resent that Malaysia refuses to support young people unless they're poor or are successful in sports or their studies. The Malaysian adult public does not want to see young people doing things unless they are in the stereotypical frame of what the model Malaysian youth would be doing.

Young people in Malaysia have no voice not because their mouths are closed but because their minds have never been opened.

You know there is a problem. We can be angry or we can do something about it. Right now what i want to do is become an advocate for children's rights in Malaysia especially when i realised a few days ago that children have no rights. starting as soon as i can, i will be building a website with articles and maybe (if i'm 1337 enough) a forum. i'll start writing to the newspapers and if i'm diligent enough (hopefully if i'm diligent enough or if i can get some help) i'll distribute pamphlets and write to the government about my concerns. With some help this will be successful. I can't do this on my own.

If there is anyone out there who wants to collaborate with me and fight for the rights of young people in Malaysia, please email me at nad.ilana@gmail.com.




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[info]lilredbite
2006-04-27 02:17 am UTC (link)
Going through such experience doesn't give you the right to hate your country. This happens everywhere. I think you were simply unlucky and acted like any typical scared kid who didn't inform her parents about the incidents. Otherwise, your parents might have had a word with your teacher and the problem is solved. And beside, your teacher was just doing her job!

I have a friend who was born left handed but got beaten up by his dad because he wanted him to be right handed.

This is not new as well, it happens in most muslim countries because the usage of the left hand is not encouraged, this is based on the mentality of the person.

You can hate a country if the country neglects people's right, if there's no development, if there's no opposition, if freedom of practicing your religion is not respected and so on.

Don't get overly emotional, you should be happy and thank God that you were born as a Malaysian not a southern thai muslim, or an iraqi or a palestinian who is stuck in Gaza for life and have no chance of getting proper education nor a life.

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[info]divabat
2006-04-27 02:28 am UTC (link)
Her case might sound a bit hyperbolic, but she's got a very good point. Youth rights are really eroding here in Malaysia.

Youths are arrested and blacklisted as criminals just for their attire and taste in music.
Speaking up and having an opinion may land you in jail.
Students in school are told that they must get As or else they are failures; suicides and self-harm happen in droves because of this.
Racism still persists strongly - "don't hang with that race! They're dirty!" (I faced this almost every day of my primary schooling, from students and teachers. PRIMARY SCHOOL.)
Religion is shoved down your throat and if you're not Muslim/Christian/Buddhist/Taoist/Hindu you don't get much respect.

It's getting to be quite a problem and there needs to be a lot more done to combat it and make things right.

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[info]starranise
2006-04-27 09:09 am UTC (link)
"Don't get overly emotional, you should be happy and thank God that you were born as a Malaysian not a southern thai muslim, or an iraqi or a palestinian who is stuck in Gaza for life and have no chance of getting proper education nor a life."

I wasn't born a southern thai muslim, I was born a Malaysian and I guess I'm going to have to make do, won't I? I'm getting emotional at the thought that worse things out there are happening to children in Malaysia and the government is partially to blame but no one acknowledges that.

Me hating my country is totally irrelevant. I think wherever you are, if there is a problem that you can help solve, you should do it. Regardless of what I feel for my country, I want to make it better and that's what matters to me.

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[info]dustyhawk
2006-04-27 02:37 am UTC (link)
hey nads, i'm taking this post and posting it on my wordpress and lj. The words you speak is thruth and must be spread.

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[info]eleraine
2006-04-27 02:42 am UTC (link)
Malaysian educators still fail to recognise that everyone has different methods of learning and we should help children in ways that make sense to them instead of beating them senseless.
This is where you are wrong. A lot of educators in the private field AND public sector are beginning to recognise different styles of learning and how to facilitate such styles.

In the public sector, things are much slower because of bureaucracy and red tape (plus a whole lot of policking) going on and on.

Malaysia does little, almost nothing, to encourage young people effectively without coming up with something more mundane and ineffective as 'ceramahs' and forums.
A lot of us are products of majority Malaysian education, your parents, mine, you and me. To say that it has done absolutely precious little is just as good as whitewashing the rest of us as mundane and ineffective.

True, there are some flaws but things have begun to change. At least the bigwips up there realized a thing or two.

The Malaysian adult public does not want to see young people doing things unless they are in the stereotypical frame of what the model Malaysian youth would be doing.
Honestly, I have never heard such absolute bull in my entire life. As far as I know, the public has always been supportive of events organized by young people - look at Xfresh and the BRATs. Youths like divabat are few and far in between yet they command respect from both their peers and adults. As a matter of fact, many people believe that scoring straight As is NOT the only way to succeed in life. Even while I was in school/college/uni, it was never "be square or be gone". Students were encourage to take part in what they did best, be it studies, acting, singing, sports, etc. We were encourage to care about global events and our community. But perhaps that was the mentality I grew up with when I was at home - to make the best out of shitty situations and turn it to my advantage.

Young people in Malaysia have no voice not because their mouths are closed but because their minds have never been opened.
Even when their minds are given the opportunity to open, they would rather relax in their own comfort zones. They find challenges to be a bane to their existence and knowledge to be just another tool to find a job. They don't want to vote because they think it doesn't make a difference - and hell, that is your birthright and you're refusing it. They don't want to do anything else except hope for someone to spoonfeed them as their parents/friends/relatives did.

Not all youths are like that though - I've had the priviledge of teaching a few wonderful, passionate youths. My fear has always been that they wake up one day and decide not to give a damn.

......

I like how you wish to give something back to the youths. It is something commendable. I would like you, though, to see the other side of your story.

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[info]divabat
2006-04-27 02:50 am UTC (link)
*ears burn*

About how the Malaysian adults see youth - she's right actually. If you're not the stereotype of "straight A student" or "sports star" or "prodigy" or "Guinness World Record holder", in general you're seen as "eh, useless achievement". I may have gained respect from my peers for what I did, but the adults thought me absolutely strange.

The youths that achieve in other areas do so on their own, and often they only have themselves to celebrate with. The rest of the world might adore them but in Malaysia they are highly underappreciated.

There was a girl named Suzanne who was featured in The Sun recently for her photography and the fact that she's on a uni hiatus. People's response? "Oh, must be rich kid." (Her family's average middle class) "Oh, she never went through Malaysian schooling." (She did) "Oh, how come she gets so many opportunities and I cannot? Something unusual here." (She works hard for them) "Oh, she modelled topless once, she is a bad role model!" (She did one time, but that doesn't change her talent or intelligence - I talked to her soon after and I was struck by her maturity and strength).

I was at a talk given by Dato' Azalina and brought up this very issue with her - why is there so much emphasis on scoring grades, while other achievements are rarely highlighted? She just said that that was how the public mentality was and that there's no changing it. She had an EXCELLENT platform to make changes - even just saying "People, let's acknowledge various talents" would have sufficied - but instead she just let the status quo be and showed no signs of making change.

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[info]nekoboy86
2006-04-27 03:20 am UTC (link)
the system might be shitty, but it has its benefits towards a harmonious society. And, not all teachers are shitty. I had my share of being publically humiliated by bitchy teachers who feel they have nothing better to do but to insult me and my family in front of the whole classroom. Then, I also have teachers who pick on me because I was diffrent and they encouraged my classmates to shun me as well. This particular demon of a teacher even summoned my parents because I keep losing my exercise books which I submitted (this is in primary) and ever since then made it a habit to do so. At the end of standard six, I found ALL my missing exercise books piled up underneath her table. And this is the same bitch who proudly declared that the new headmaster was a moron and how she traumatazied a student by ripping his exam paper, then giving him a blank one to do 5 minutes just before the time was up, and said no despite his father pleading a second chance. Her name is Noraizan Abdul Rahman. If you know her, feel free to let her know she is evil and caused unessary trauma to lots of her students. It is teachers like her that needs to be removed from the system, and it is teachers like her that kills the intrest of studying and caused all the problems we are having now. One teacher got angry because I added something in my history folio that she did not specify but it was related and told me to re do the whole thing. by hand. And yes, she picked on me since, and this was in form 3-5. Teachers who are not intrested in teaching in primary and secondary schools but are forced to causes more harm than good as they try to crush students who know more than them instead of nuturing them. This must definetely change. The two teachers mentioned her told the class how much they hated teaching but was forced to due to circumstances.

Despite all, there were many other teachers who appreciate my talents in learning (I was not the sharpest knife in the drawer, almost the dullest) but they still appreciated and tried to help me in my talents in computers and english debates and public speaking, as well as chemistry, physics and maths. One teacher patiently taught us repeatedly despite the many times my classmates did not understand about chemistry. Another paitently answered all our doubts about physics. Yet another encouraged us to learn english in a less stressed manner, unlike how english was taught during the previous years and came up with lots of activities to make learning english fun. What about these dedicated teachers with a passion for teaching? They are the ones who churn out brillant students. I feel blessed to be taught by these valliant educators.

Sometimes, knowing the exact cause helps a lot. the education system is not bad entirely because it helps teach our youths from making unessary and harmful statements and other asian values like patience and how to live with while being supressed without doing something stupid like bombing the authorities and anarchy. But as a price, youths lose their right to speak up and they are trained to shut up as much as possible, and that research is only for mat sallehs. Take initiative to motivate youths like that to speak up and do more research and make more effort on their own, instead of blaming the system.

Generally, I feel that as a malaysian youth, I have to earn my freedom by saying the correct and matured things (stuff that do not hurt anyone else in any way) to earn respect from people around me. And I did it. I did not want to conform to normality but yet do so partially so that I dont upset anyone. And it worked.

The key here is maturity. The ability to think about others, for yourself, for others. And making sure everything you do or say is beneficial. That is what needs to be instilled in malaysian youths.

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[info]fantasyecho
2006-04-27 05:01 am UTC (link)
Reading through the first half of your post, you come off as an emotional, bitter person.

But on the whole, I agree with eleraine - much of the problem stems from the red tape that the government has in place. This doesn't mean youth are silenced. I've been seeing more and more from youth as the years go by - change is simply slow. It's true that people get bewildered when they meet a young person doing something other than what's expected of them, but this is the case anywhere.

Yes, there seems to be a sudden lockdown on rights highlighted in the newspaper, but the good thing is that they ARE being highlighted, not kept secret like some hush-hush thing.

I'm in the eleraine camp on this - can't really say anything beyond what she has said, ESPECIALLY on the bit about apathy and self-centeredness.

Nonetheless, I applaud you on your decision to stand up and do something about it, to be active and passionate for your cause. That's truly living life. I just hope you will somehow dispense of your hatred and let your love for our country override the hatred for its systems. Passion is wasted on hatred.

Oh, and for a forum, Proboards.com is a pretty good place to start =) Free, easy to admin and to the best of my knowledge, quite reliable. No 1337ness required! Well, maybe a little. But not much.

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[info]starranise
2006-04-27 03:03 pm UTC (link)
this really isn't the place for me to say this and i normally wouldn't, but i find you, [info]fantasyecho terribly, terribly annoying.

because of what i went through i may have developed bladder control problems. i don't think you realise how traumatic that is for a person of my age and confidence to have to go through that and have flashbacks of my youth and the utter humiliation of having gone through all that. This afternoon I had a panic attack. I got paranoid and had to go home because I was terrified of looking at anyone for some weird reason. Psychological damage mean anything to you?

This post isn't about me. Considering how much you like writing I'd think you'd have more depth to see that this post isn't about me. What happened to me was crap but whatever, I don't care. What really gets me is that worse things have happened to kids all over Malaysia and they're suffering for it.

I went to children's rights workshops and listened to the govt make promises that never lasted. I've met school teachers that should not be teaching because their mentality and attitudes were just shocking. I want infrastructures for young people that will last not character building seminars. Enough of that bullshit. Enough of standing in the hot sun for marching during sports day. Enough of the discipline lectures. Enough of these insipid, grey ministers telling the youth what to do when they don't even know anything about them.

Furthermore, I'm not a fan of patriotism. Don't preach me on it. A country is just a circumference of land governed and inherited by the people that live in it. Just because I don't think much about the country or patriotism doesn't mean that I will neglect the problems faced by people. Hate can be a healthy thing too.

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[info]cryogenesis
2006-04-27 05:25 am UTC (link)
We all have bad experiences in school and we all hate a certain headmaster/ teacher. That's normal. But to hate your country for such experiences?

Questions....

What are the rights of young people you are talking about, that were being suppressed, not just in Malaysia but also around the world?

Perhaps it's wiser for you to move on and concentrate on what makes you happy instead of dwelling on your unhappiness with Malaysia....because to tell you the truth, Malaysia is hopeless.

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[info]starranise
2006-04-27 03:11 pm UTC (link)
I will hate my country if I so please. Like I said before, it is nothing more than a circumference of land governed and inherited by the people that live on it. It's no tragedy.

1. The rights to know their rights in and outside of school.
2. The rights to knowledge of when they are being given unfair treatment by guardians.
3. Rights to a proper education (not just school education)
4. Rights to having fun instead of being forced into 10 hour a day study periods.

So much more. I've just started thinking of this so I haven't fully thought it through just yet. I'm still accumulating ideas. And why would i have to compare with the rest of the world?

I know Malaysia is hopeless but if ever we give up on that which needs to be overcome, we will continue to degrade ourselves and not live up to our responsibilites as human beings.

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[info]aput83
2006-04-27 06:23 am UTC (link)
.....i applaud you for actually making me speechless, for once...lol!

A bit emotional at the top, but your points are valid. The education system is getting exponentially worse every passing minister due to negligence and poor maintenance. Just 3 days ago, I met a woman sending her kid to school, reminiscing how the past education system was much better that the current ones.

I also met my retired teachers, who now say that teachers of these late days are no longer working for the love of educating the young, but merely to make ends meet, thus leading to laziness and lack of responsibility of the entire school system.

Yes, all of us have had our share of bad teachers. Discipline teachers punishing students for bringing cigarettes, which he goes and smokes in the toilet. Teachers not accepting extra credit work from students because it was not what they asked for, when in truth it was because they were too lazy to mark it. Now, we have teachers who complain that they are stressed out because their students are smarter than them!

So what do we do about this?

I don't know, because honestly, with the existence of the KPLI program which allows graduates to sit for an exam, go into training for a year and come out teaching will just create more of these type of teachers.

Some see it as hopelessness, some see it as negligence on the governments side.

Me? I see it as lack of time. How old are other now modernistic civilisations?
100 years? 5000 years? 50 years?

We are not there yet, and we may not live to see the day it is achieved. But I'll be damned if I'm just gonna wait until I get 5 generations of descendents before they can speak their mind.

I'm with you.

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[info]starranise
2006-04-27 03:12 pm UTC (link)
Thanks. Just drop me an email so I can get you on my list please. Thanks.

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[info]maiyu_c
2006-04-27 07:08 am UTC (link)
"Young people in Malaysia have no voice not because their mouths are closed but because their minds have never been opened."

Have you ever thought perhaps it is the young people themselves instigating such close mindedness? I think it is because the Asian countries suffer this mentality of a 'sheep herding' society. If you don't fit into the cultural and social groups of society, you will be shunned until you create one of your own. Their voices have never been heard simply because when they do express their thoughts, they are shunned by society and labelled as 'trouble makers' and other people who share the same thoughts push them deeper into their subconscious in hopes to shun them away just as society has.

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[info]starranise
2006-04-27 03:13 pm UTC (link)
It all comes from someplace. Society and culture in general teaches the young to be who they are.

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[info]inbam
2006-04-27 09:52 am UTC (link)
what you have in mind? any concrete ideas?

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[info]starranise
2006-04-28 09:29 am UTC (link)
Student unions, encouraging private investors to have shops/facilities especially for youths so that they don't have to just hang out in shopping centres. Youth galleries etc. Still lots of planning and i don't have much time to answer everyone's comments or questions because i'm very busy most of the time. But if you're interested, just email me and I'll send out a newsletter once I'm done thinking.

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[info]alexithyme
2006-04-27 01:14 pm UTC (link)
I re-read your post a few times, but I still couldn't find any clear cut objectives. Championing children/youth rights is a rather vague objective. Is the direction you want to head a political one? Or social, etc.? What kind of change do you want to see exactly?

These days I do see more and more youths coming forward and speaking out. Malaysian youths in general are starting to think outside of the box. We are more aware of local and global happenings, and how such events are affecting our lives. We question more. Debate more.

Case in point; the local arts scene. Ever since the "granpas" of the local underground scene like Carburetor Dung and Butterfingers came out, the local music scene has steadily growing and improving as the years go by. Even the theater scene has been doing very well ever since the Actors Studio was set up with people like Krishen Jit and Faridah Merican spreading the love and awareness to support our dying local theater scene.

Anyway. Deviated a bit. I hope you get the picture though.

I think one of the biggest roadblocks to "champion youth rights" is the University and University College Act (UCCA). Such repressive and draconian law does not have a place in today's society. The role that the government can play in support of our "championing of youth rights" is to repeal the UCCA. That would give major breathing space and more opportunities for young people to express their viewpoints, frustrations, beliefs, support, and whatnot, without fear of unnecessary backlash from the authorities. They need to realize the fact that just because youths set up political/social/whatever organizations and hold street protests does not mean we're secretly planning a coup to overthrow the government.

Now. Putting aside the UCCA.

The only change that can happen amongst youths can only be stirred by youths. As we open up pathways (ie. xFresh, BRATs) for more people to voice out, the more we can encourage more minds to open up. Forget parents. Forget the government. Forget politicians. Forget school teachers. There's no use blaming them all. Yes, there are many many flaws in our system. Be it on education or implementation of government policies. I believe the problem is not so much about how wrong or flawed our superiors (parents, politicians, police, etc) are. The problem lies in the mentality and values of youths in general.

Forget our flawed "infrastructure". What's important is OUR "substance". For example, I personally believe, it doesn't matter which college or university you go to. It doesn't matter what teachers or lecturers you get. Those "superiors" can only do so much. In the end of the day, it is US who shape what we can and will become in future. Well, my point is, I believe that the environment does not shape you. You shape the environment. Such major changes in our "infrastructure" cannot happen now. They can, however, happen in the future. And since we are the future, the best bet is to invest amongst each other. To encourage. To spread awareness. To inspire.

And in this new "environment" that you're planning to introduce via a website with forums and articles, do find concrete and crystal clear ideas/objectives/direction like inbam said. For now it's a bit fuzzy. Anyway, fuzzy or not, I'm all for it. Fo sho.

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[info]starranise
2006-04-27 03:19 pm UTC (link)
Mostly I think I want to see cities or towns being planned to be 'youth friendly'. Places and infrastructures which encourage young people to come out, learn and express themselves out of the education system.

Having to revamp the education system is too comprehensive. Of course if I could I'd recommend amendments to a few things about it but what I mentioned is one of them. Honestly, and this goes to [info]inbam too, I don't really 100% sure of my plans. I haven't written anything down yet but I will try. If you're interested in helping or just finding out what I'm up to I'll eamil you if you email me at that gmail account.

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[info]izyclover
2006-04-27 06:42 pm UTC (link)
OMG
I never realize this but this happened to me
I wasn't allowed to go to the toilet when I needed to
and now I can't help but hold my bladder even though I can go straight away

Malaysian education system is just too narrow
where they actually think that academic is the only thing that's gonna take you somewhere
I'm very dissapointed with that

but I don't hate my country...in fact I love it...no matter what you said about it...I think there's a bigger room for Malaysia to evolve...and I hope I can be on of those who will make a difference one day in Malaysia

but again you made me realize something that I was ignorant about

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[info]starranise
2006-04-28 09:27 am UTC (link)
I'm glad to hear that you've realised something new.

I don't hate it entirely. Where else would I get my kway teow fix? ]xp I still do think that there's a lot of hope left for the country. It's really more like a love-hate sort of relationship.

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(no subject) - [info]izyclover, 2006-04-28 04:50 pm UTC

(Anonymous)
2006-04-27 07:06 pm UTC (link)
When I was in Primary 6, I received a letter in my pigeon hole, 2 and a half sides of A4, from this guy, filled with what he wanted to do with me sexually. I remember not even knowing what any of the words meant, but it consisted mostly of 'Saya mahu jilat kamu punya p**i. The headmistres refused to bring the police in because apparently they wouldn't be able to do anything anyway because there probably would have been too many handprints on the letter. I had a pretty clear idea who did it, nicked his exercise book and showed it to the headmistress. Still, nothing. My english teacher, who I loved and respected, rang this guy up and asked him about it and he confessed to her. Still, did she do anything about it? No. It has had a pretty damning effect on me. I'm 17 now, and was raped last year and fearing the same would happen, decided not to make a police report so a year on, I still haven't been relieved of my sufferings. I'm in the UK now and I know that as a youth, regardless of being a citizen or not, my basic rights are respected a hell of a lot more than they ever have been in Malaysia.

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[info]nekoboy86
2006-04-28 12:41 am UTC (link)
I feel so sad and angry to hear about something like this. Teachers are supposed to protect their students and look what the shit happened because they were too busy to bother.

I'm sure teachers during our parent's time would ensure that guy was suspended to protect you and other female students. THIS is exactly why something must be done.

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(no subject) - [info]starranise, 2006-04-28 09:14 am UTC

[info]fayenatic
2006-04-27 07:20 pm UTC (link)
You know, reading your post really makes me realise the things that I've gone through as well.

I can understand why you hate Malaysia so much. But I think its just the state of the education system (to be specific) that is causing you this emotional anguish. However what triggered this? The memories of your schooling years and how the teachers treated you?

I'll continue on.

The state of the education system as you put it is hampering the creative expression of the current youth of Malaysia and thus you want to champion for better youth rights and so indirectly causing a much needed amendment to the education legislation.

I'm with you on this one coming from an oldie like me. Bleh. between 95-99, all that was inculcated into us students was to get A's A's A's, nothing else than our parents cared about is to see 7 or 8 A's gleaming across that SPM slip of paper. My teachers I think weren't that ruthless. I come from the time (like [info]aput83's time) where teachers really do give a damn about how you go. The dedication is there for sure.

But of course the oppression on furthering the creativity of students happened as a result of just exams, tests, and SPM. SPM is important I know but what about the other 'stuff'? Things that we can also achieve in besides being academical. Thats the word I'm looking for :p. Academical.

Being academic I believe wasn't everything. You can have a different pursuit and still be successful too. Sigh, oh well being a student product of that time it wasn't really encouraged so.

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[info]starranise
2006-04-28 09:18 am UTC (link)
What startled me was that when that incident occured I snapped and started having flashbacks and panic attacks relating to when my teacher did those things to me. Every single time I'm caught in a bad situation where I really have to go I'm very susceptable to losing my composure because of the memories and i realised that I was a victim. In a minor way but in a life-altering way, nonetheless and I felt upset that kids all over Malaysia were suffering from worse.

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[info]mel_1
2006-04-28 02:05 am UTC (link)
I am a lecturer in a private college in Sabah and recently, I was sent for some Motivation and Methodology training conducted by the British Council. It was very interesting and uplifting. Most of those who went for the training were government school teachers. It was a very uplifting training and it made me realize that we are trying hard to be good teachers.

I do agree with you to some extent that the Malaysian Government should do more for their young people. Nevertheless, I must also agree with some other people who responded to your post that it is not the Government's fault entirely and that in fact, each of us are to blame for not standing up and saying something. I admire and respect that you want to stand up and say something, but I do also hope that you would look at things from a more neutral ground and see what you can do to HELP the Malaysian Government and its young people, and not condemn them completely. Each and every one of us plays a role in the society and its culture. If we do not agree with how one thing is done, we need to do something to HELP, and not to HATE or condemn. Yes, the government has made mistakes, but what do we do to people who have made mistakes, help and teach them the right, or condemn them completely?

In a way, about your bad experience with a teacher, it is totally understandable for you to feel this way. Nevertheless, I believe that if your parents had talked to your teacher at that time, maybe this problem wouldn’t have occurred in the first place. I totally do not believe that your teacher would have still insisted on keeping you in class if only she knew about your condition. As a teacher myself, we have rule and policies to abide to especially when it comes to the welfare of our students. Most probably, that teacher of yours didn’t know anything about your condition...and maybe even if you have told her yourself, since you were still young at that time, she wouldn’t have believed you, yes, it is still wrong of her if she didn’t believe you after you told her about your condition, so I believe that the next thing that you should have done was to talk to your parents and have them talk to your teacher.

Well, that is in the pass, and I don’t blame you for feeling the way you do now, but I just hope that you, me, in fact every Malaysian try to look at things in the most neutral ground before blaming it completely on one part alone. I believe that the reason why many young Malaysians are not as opinionated as these "orang putih" kids are simply because of our culture. I studied overseas and one thing I notice is that. The westerners are so opinionated and the Asian kids will just shut up and listen. What can we do about it? My opinion is, we can’t do much to the whole lot, but we can sure do something for our own children. Think about it...this is culture...its not always right for everyone, but we cannot say it is completely wrong as well.

What you are doing is a great thing. And I totally support you, nevertheless, I just hope that you will stand at a more neutral zone and look at things from every angle.

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[info]starranise
2006-04-28 09:24 am UTC (link)
The thing was at the time, because of the kind of education i had I didn't know how to define what was a problem and what wasn't. I don't think I even knew how to tell right from wrong because I wasn't taught to explore and understand my emotions. How could I tell my parents there was a problem when I didn't know there was something wrong? How do we help young people who don't know they have problems?

Not all white kids are opinionated. I'm just lucky because my family's well-travelled and have learned to become more open.

I don't blame anyone entirely. The government has made efforts but I don't think they're as effective as they should be. This is an important matter which needs to be improved and addressed asap. They're constantly talking about how Malaysian youths are the future. We have to help them now or else our future is bleak.

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(no subject) - [info]mel_1, 2006-05-01 03:40 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]_amuseme, 2006-04-30 11:00 pm UTC

[info]_kagekiyo_
2006-04-28 01:50 pm UTC (link)
Interesting post. I like it.

I've always hated the way the Malaysian education work sometimes too. Too much emphasis on academics!

I'm always worried when i speak to students who hail from government schools as their communication lack depth. Sometimes when i ask them whether is it the educational system that makes them 'talk like that', they return me a clueless stare.

I'm sorry to read about your bladder problem that stemmed from the time you were young.

Like most posters here will agree that your experience is different from ours.

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[info]starranise
2006-04-29 11:59 am UTC (link)
Yeah.. I know it doesn't relate to all govt school students but I went to a Children's Rights Workshop when I was 15 and my school was the only private school there. I was practically leading everything because everyone was so quiet and had no clue about how or what to do. They kept asking us what we thought and one by one all of them just gave SUMMARIES and nothing more. I was discussing something with this politician (who was totally moronic, I might add) and they thought I was fighting with her and everyone in the room cheered to have me shut up when I was talking to her about something really important.

I mean.. Seriously. wtf, man. That really changed the way I saw things. I didn't want to believe it or stereotype them but it was evidence right in front of me. A majority, even.

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[info]sophers
2006-04-29 06:31 pm UTC (link)
I'm sorry you had such a horrible experience with your teacher. Not letting you go to the toilet is truly cruel. But then again, when I was that age, I used to go to the loo to play with the tap with some of my friends :P And return with my pinafore spotted with water. Sorry, digression. Also, I thought that you hating Malaysia and the education system based on one teacher is completely baseless but to each her own, I guess.

While I do think that the education in Malaysia isn't exactly something to shout about, I don't think it's completely wrong either. True, we seem to be extremely fixated with our As but usually the point of most education systems is to do well too. I'll admit that I was one of the people who got sucked into the Science stream for SPM simply because it was what everyone else was doing and it was what the 'smart' kids were doing. I'm doing Arts right now in uni with a major in History and Creative Writing so you can imagine that I did a total 180 degree turn. But I've got to hand it to the education system and the competitiveness of it all. I mean, my math still beats a ton of Australian asses even though I'm an Arts student and supposedly all artsy fartsy. And really, when I bought some SAT trial books in Form 3, I could do most of the questions. We aren't that bad, really.

I guess we just need some variety. We somehow need to incorporate more Arts and Culture into our education instead of just Science and Math. But to be fair to Malaysia, we're a fairly new country. And we've come pretty far in such a short time, you know. We still need great leaders to bring about a revolution, a big bang of change. This problem with youths isn't a simple fix, it isn't just about giving youths an outlet to speak out or a fix on the education system. You need to fix the government system, you need to fix the paradigms that have been built, you need to change the Asian culture we have going (which is pretty unique and fabulous sometimes). All the Western countries we're comparing to have had huge changes too. They weren't always this lucky or so called 'better'. It's a gradual change and we probably won't live to see it come true in this lifetime. Heck, even Martin Luther King Jr. didn't see his American Dream come true and it's not even fully there nearly 40 years after his assassination. Every country has their problems and while from the outside we think that other countries are doing better, but really, their nation isn't that pleased either.

Good luck with your vision. I do think it's commendable that you're doing something to bring a change about. But perhaps it helps if you let go of some of the hate and tried to see things from each view before trying to fix the problem. Besides, hate as a motivator is going to be pretty draining.

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[info]missy_ajlaa
2006-04-30 10:00 am UTC (link)
sorry for the bad experienced that u've been through..but y didn't u complained to ur school headmaster/mistress or to ur parents for the wrong action that ur teacher has given...u should have done that u know..we malaysians has the right to complain if we are not satisfied is certain things..it's stated in the government policies or even in "akta negara"..U can ask ur parents to take actions against ur teacher for such behavior coz at that particular of time, u are still under age...

anyways, the education system is not a big problem though...maybe they are trying to improve it so that students who came from rural area are getting the same amount of education as we are. btw, i've studied science since like forever. i was a science stream student for spm, science student for matriculation but taking art for my tertier level and i feel good about it. and i believe there is no such thing as double-standard if u're taking science here in malaysia.

u just have to take everything in a positive way. well, i'm proud to be malaysian though..btw, good luck with ur mission.....

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[info]_amuseme
2006-04-30 10:55 pm UTC (link)
nad.. 80 comments.. ;D

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Yeah
(Anonymous)
2007-07-02 09:33 am UTC (link)
Malaysia you stupid fool. Please save your children!!!!!

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Said in a right for Malaysia to voice out
(Anonymous)
2008-01-18 09:40 am UTC (link)
Do,you know that as we even voice out for the right of Malaysia we can even get into ISA(Internal Security Act) you know even that the political member(BN/UMNO)have being ruled andcontrolled all the BPR,Ministry Of Education,Ministry Of Higher Education,Kings(Agong),and all the government staff or worker getting dreard becaused they are so not confident to voice up usually we as Malaysian Citizen we must need to do as our part and priority to give our right to said and they shouldn't let our nation to enjoy without act or do anything else.Nothing they(GovernmentStaff) can do for us anything.Neither,than that nowadays they given scholarship to the government ministry staff,policeman and policewoman ISA and FRU or their relative or ministry staff son a scholarship to study or approval to works.Eventhough,our Malaysia haved a very bad history because they simply do what as they like without agong contolled.So,must know what haved happened to us.It's a problems.When people(UMNO) want to us to get into ISA cannot have right to said.We,not going to be intervene about this things haved being effects us.Instead,they haved let all the foreign,migrants and labour workers from Bangladesh,Indonesia,Nepal,Laotian,Khmer,Vietnamese,Burmese and Siamese or Filipino come to our country to effect our nation to be damage cannot voice up want to use ISA again.I hate it. Don't even know their background going and take them again money politics when i want to get my approvals of EPF applying behalf on that part gratitude cannot get it.It BN and UMNO controlled until even more getting worse for our Malaysian. I want don't want to be like that of the counterpartship.What relationship of them to be having Malaysian-Indonesian relationship used to be with us and also the poem with what they do for us forevermore this 2008 for genedral election usually.Young Adults Malaysian,Edwonton Ong,Hainanese(Indo-Mongolians),Malaysian Citizens,22 Years Old,Keadilan Party Normal Member behalf of DEMOCRATIC.Thanks.If anyone want to posted this comment please post it for me.Thanks.Kamsahamnidah.

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Shingakayo Said:About an election getting worsed mored still
(Anonymous)
2008-01-18 09:49 am UTC (link)
Look and see how a General Election 2008 coming they will getting even
worsed for 2008 onwards in Malaysia if Nation don't like them they(BN and UMNO including CHUA SOI LEK sexual video scandal and bribes for medical he will run away too actually)From,Keadilan Member,Edwonton.

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About Muslim Hadhari make sex
(Anonymous)
2008-01-18 09:57 am UTC (link)
I'm sick with or of ISLAM HADHARI bring from BN and UMNO to effect or infect our Minister Sons in Law make sex with an artistes in Malaysia,police,minister and other student(COLLEGE,School and University)or publics people to be rape,sexual harrasement,take drugs and make sex after a Tswunami in the year of 2004.Wicked like a Noah days.

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What foul of Rukun Negara let people get Idiot Only?
(Anonymous)
2008-01-18 10:01 am UTC (link)
Islam Hadhari was blinded people eyes with Sharlinie and Nurin Jazlin Jazimin Haved being lost or kidnapped sick of it only.

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Shingakayo Said again:No used Rukun negara never used at all the time
(Anonymous)
2008-01-18 10:02 am UTC (link)
Rukun Negara haved never properly used it at all the time.

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