| | What is the difference between ELCA, LCMS, and WELS? I'm going to be baptized ELCA, and I know that ELCA is considered the most liberal of the 3. I know that they ordain women but all 3 are considered Lutheran. What are the differences in your opinion? No basing on any of these please, just looking for some ideas for how they're different. | comments: 20 comments or Leave a comment   |
| | Hey all. I'm converting to Lutheranism (ELCA) from Judaism. :-) Just thought I'd say hi. I'm going to be baptized in the fall. | | comments: 13 comments or Leave a comment |
| Hi all. I have a question for some of you. But before that, I want to tell you what this is not... This is not an invitation to revisit the LCMS/ELCA pissing contests that have erupted here in the past. This is not me seeking to correct anyone on their doctrine or beliefs.
What this is is me seeking to understand the perspective of people who believe differently than me. So please listen to my heart rather than my words, in case my combative nature seeps through, despite my best efforts to suppress it.
This was all brought about by a posting at a friend's Facebook, regarding the recent vote by Presbyterians to continue to disallow gay clergy. He seemed genuinely shocked by this development, which leads me to my question: If you do believe that gay clergy (or indeed the embracing of the gay lifestyle) is a good thing, what is your reasoning behind that belief? And how is that belief reconciled with the clear scriptural prohibition of said lifestyle?
And let me say for the record that by my own reasoning, the gay lifestyle is no big deal to me. I once belonged to the "build your own theology" school of thought that is so popular today, and my beliefs were probably in line with more liberal schools of thought. ("Liberal" is by no means used here as an insult, as is so often the case when dealing with conservatives.) However, after a long series of events I began to read the Bible and became convinced of God's omnipotence, and from that moment forward have believed that he is more than powerful enough to preserve his word through the ages. Therefore I trust it as being completely inerrant. So while I personally might not be able to see the harm in something, I trust in him to know better than I do what is good for us, and in that faith I go by his word rather than my own understanding of what might be right or wrong.
And please do not take this as me attempting to tell you why you should believe as I do. No, I tell you all of this so that you may understand my point of view. As I said before, I come not seeking an argument, but understanding of a different perspective.
If you would be so kind, I would ask any of you who respond to limit yourself to explaining why you believe as you do, as opposed to elucidating why one side or the other needs to change. I do not want this to become contentious, and ask that we all speak kindly and gently.
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| I started two communities this morning that might interest my fellow Lutherans. This one, ![[info]](http://l-stat.livejournal.com/img/community.gif) nwchristians is for Christians living in the Pacific NW. I feel lonely here sometimes because it seems like so many people are hostile to faith in this area of the world. And this one, oatmeal4christ is for people who feel worn out from the liberal vs conservative push and pull routine and don't feel like they belong on either "side," but somewhere in the middle. I know for fellow ELCA folks that is probably a familiar feeling. :P
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| | This community of Catholics and Lutherans is in my city. I should visit sometime, but I don't have a car and dragging two kids on bus to a 9 am service off our beaten path is quite a chore. I'm curious about it though. I'm curious if anyone in this community knows of a similar mission in your city, or has visited one. What do you think of this? Personally I like respectful efforts to find common ground, and this community seems to have been around for a while. I'm sure some people would see it as encouraging heresy or whatever though. | | comments: 2 comments or Leave a comment |
| Rev. Charles Lehmann + 3rd Last Sunday + Matthew 24:15-28
In the Name of + Jesus. Amen.
When the legions came in the spring of 70 A.D., there was no mercy for Jerusalem. God had come to His beloved vineyard, and they had rejected Him. He came into their flesh. He lived under the same Roman occupation that they did. He subjected Himself to all the suffering that living as a first century Israelite entailed. He came to His own, but His own did not receive Him. But even though they rejected Him, He called to them tenderly. He healed their sick. He raised their dead. He fulfilled all of the Old Testament prophecies. But they still did not believe in Him. They did not believe the Word of God about Him, and so when the promised Messiah who had come to destroy their sins forever walked in their midst, most of the people of Judea called him a drunkard and a charlatan.
The people of Jerusalem trusted themselves. They said, “We are children of Abraham and have never been slaves to anyone.” They said, “You break the Sabbath, and so you cannot come from God.” These are the Pharisees who walked into the temple and cried out, “God, I thank you that I am not like other men—robbers, evildoers, adulterers. I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.” They boasted of their deeds, but Jesus said they were white-washed tombs. They looked great on the outside. They had all the right clothes and you couldn't catch them breaking any of their made up rules. But their mouths were open graves, and their souls were stained with innumerable sins. They looked to their works and believed that they were righteous on account of what they'd done. They didn't think they needed Jesus. They didn't think they needed anyone to save them from their sin. They trusted themselves for life and salvation, and so when God came to give them the forgiveness they needed, they killed Him. They nailed Him to a Roman cross, hung Him between two thieves, and mocked the one who was dying to forgive them.
Today our Lord says to us, “Where the corpse is, the eagles will gather.” Our translation says vultures, but it was the eagle that was the symbol of Rome. And it was Roman soldiers who were Christ's chosen instruments, not once, but twice. It is through the hand of Roman soldiers that Jesus accomplished His death for the sins of the world, and it is by the legions of Rome that Jesus would pour out His wrath on Jerusalem.
He had warned His beloved city time and again. Even in today's text, Jesus warned His people that when they saw the legions come, when they saw the eagle approaching the holy city, they had to flee for the mountains. No one who was within the walls of Jerusalem in spring of 70 A.D. when the Roman legions arrived left the city alive. But those who believed the Lord's word of warning did. When Rome arrived, they built a siege wall around Jerusalem, and the thousands who tried to breach it were crucified. Those that stayed in the city were eventually put to the sword.
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| Rev. Charles Lehmann + All Saints Day + Matthew 5:1-12
In the Name of + Jesus. Amen.
Today is All Saints Day. All Saints. Today we celebrate that the church is far larger than we can see. You know that very well. On May 10th our dear sister Pauline Harman left this vale of tears and went to be with the Lord. This was just a few days before I got here. I was saddened by her death. It wasn't that I won't get to meet Pauline. I know that I'll have an eternity to enjoy with her when I join her in heaven. It wasn't even that I wouldn't get to be with her when I got here. Our communion liturgy makes sure we know better than that. The very first Sunday I was here I was with Pauline. On that day we celebrated our Savior's great gifts “with angels and archangels and all the company of heaven!”
The church is much, much larger than we can see with our eyes. It is so vast that it is something that we can only see with our ears. We only know that Pauline, Margaret, Esther, Cleda, and all the saints buried here are worshiping with us because the Lord says so. We only can say it because we believe what the Word of God says about it. Psalm 149 tells us, “Sing to the Lord a new song, His praise in the assembly of the saints! For the Lord takes pleasure in His people; he adorns the humble with salvation.”
The Scriptures love to speak of the holy church as a totality. It's not a collection of small groups of Christians who gather at various places all over the earth. It is one assembly, one congregation of the saints. The Lord has given us His promise. He says, “Wherever two or three are gathered in My Name, I am there in the midst of them.” Where Christ is, there is the Church, the one Church, the whole Church. There is one congregation of the saints of which Christ is the chief cornerstone. When we gather together to receive the gifts that Jesus promises in His Name, He is here. And the church is the body of Christ. Christ does not have millions of little bodies scattered throughout Garrett County, Maryland, the United States, and the rest of the world. Christ has one body, and where Christians are gathered in His Name, the whole body of Christ is present even though we cannot see it.
Though the whole church is here, this truth is hidden from us. We can't see the millions of saints who are present wherever their Savior is present. When we look around this room it looks like there are only forty or fifty of us. We can't see Pauline, Margaret, Esther, Cleda, or the members of Zion or even the folks who are worshiping in D.C., Canada, Haiti, and in every other nation. But they're here. They with us are the mystical body of Christ, and Christ is here. He is here in His Word. He is here delivering to you the gifts of life and salvation that He won for you on the cross. And where Christ is, there the whole Christian Church is also.
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| This is a reworking of a previous sermon, but it's new to the saints of the Cove.
Rev. Charles Lehmann + Reformation 2008 + John 8:31-36
In the Name of Jesus. Amen.
The Jews in today's Gospel reading seem to have forgotten their history. If they lived in Garrett County, they would have failed their class in Maryland history at Northern. As hard as history class is for them, however, they do know one thing. They are Abraham's descendants. But they are not just Abraham's descendants. They're also descendants of Jacob. And we heard last month about Jacob and all of his sons going down into Egypt. In Egypt, Jacob's descendants became a great nation, but when people who did not know Joseph began to rule there, they enslaved the people of Israel. They served their Egyptian taskmasters for hundreds of years.
The words we hear the Jews speak today in the Gospel reading are very strange words, “We are Abraham’s descendants and have never been slaves to anyone.” What? What is this nonsense? Have these Jews never heard the Old Testament? Have they never eaten the Passover? But forget that ancient history! Have they not seen the Roman cohorts marching up and down the streets of Jerusalem with images of Tiberius Caesar adorning their standards?
Surely the Jews have been slaves in Egypt, and they are now under foreign occupation in their own land. When these Jews who believe in Jesus say that they’ve never been slaves to anyone, they are speaking out of pride. The problem is that though they’ve heard Jesus’ sermon and believed it, they’re not willing to live in the freedom that Christ has given them. There will be no freedom for these believing Jews until they acknowledge their slavery to sin. Not only have they been slaves, but they are slaves right now.
Lutherans, of course, love this passage. We look at the bulletin, see that it’s Reformation Day, and then we hear this passage read. We think, “Man… I’m sure glad that I’m not like those Jews. I’m glad that I’m not focused on my works. I know the truth. I’m free!” We sometimes like to think of the Reformation as God’s triumph over those evil bad Roman Catholics. We know who we are in the story… we’re the free ones. We know the truth, that we are saved by faith apart from works. We know the truth, that Christ came into the world to save sinners. We know our works can’t get us anything. We know the Gospel, and we know it’s for us.
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| I'd like some input on tattoos, if you'd be so kind. They're only mentioned once in the Bible that I can recall. It's somewhere in Leviticus, and says "Do not shave the front of your head for the dead or put tattoo marks on your skin." (At least I believe that's it, working from memory.)
It's not a big thing for me. I wouldn't mind having one or two more (the one I have I got before my conversion to Christianity), but am fine with never getting more if it is displeasing to God.
Thanks for your time, y'all!
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*Believe it or not, this is a term of respect, indicating your long-time study and dedication. For instance, I refer to myself as a Star Wars nerd (among other kinds). | | comments: 28 comments or Leave a comment |
| Rev. Charles Lehmann + Matthew 22: 34 - 40 + Pentecost 23
In the Name of + Jesus. Amen.
The Pharisees and Sadducees hate that they can't catch Jesus in his words. Last week we heard when Jesus caught them in idolatry. The Lord would not play their games. He knew their evil intent. He knew that they were not really interested in His Word. But that's par for the course. Jesus' enemies always acted out of unbelief and hatred. Because they did not believe His word, the Pharisees wanted to trap Jesus in charges of blasphemy so that they could kill him.
In Romans, Paul tells us that the purpose of all Law is "so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world [be] held accountable to God." In the book of Revelation, we hear the exhortation, "He that has ears let him hear what the spirit says to the churches." It is with our ears that we hear and believe. It is with our mouths that we confess what the Lord has said to us. But since Jesus' enemies did not listen to Him, they couldn't confess either.
When the Sadducees came to try to trap Jesus in his words, he saw through what they had said to the unbelief that lay behind it. After Jesus had corrected them He said, "You are in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God." The Lord's words silenced the unbelief of the Sadducees. The Lord silenced the Sadducees because He loved them. The Lord wanted the Sadducees to listen to Him so that they would hear the words of life that He was speaking.
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| Rev. Charles Lehmann + Matthew 22:15-21 + Pentecost 22
In the Name of + Jesus. Amen.
Cyrus was an evil, pagan king. After He conquered Babylon, Cyrus had the following written in the account of his victory: “Marduk, the great lord, moved the noble heart of the residents of Babylon to me. Marduk, the great lord, rejoiced in my pious deeds, and graciously blessed me, Cyrus, the king who worships him.” Cyrus couldn't have picked a more disgusting false god to worship. Not even the Babylonians who worshiped this false god had anything good to say about him. In their stories, their so-called god murdered his parents to become the king of the gods. He created humanity to be his slaves, even though he hated all the noise they made.
That was the sort of false god that Cyrus worshiped. But Cyrus really wasn't all that picky. He both allowed and encouraged the peoples he conquered to worship their gods instead of the gods of Persia. He probably would have done well in the November elections.
We have no reason to believe that Cyrus ever worshiped the true God. But even though Cyrus did not acknowledge the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob to be the only true God, the Lord doesn't need a king's permission in order to use him for His purposes. Because of this the Lord still calls Cyrus His Anointed One. He says, “I summon you by name and bestow on you a title of honor, though you do not acknowledge me.” In Hebrew the word for “Anointed One” is “Messiah.” Cyrus is the only pagan that God ever calls by this name. All the others who are anointed by God are priests or kings of His people. They are set apart for holy purposes. But here, God does a new thing, a strange thing.
Here God calls Cyrus, an evil, pagan, idolater his “Messiah,” His Anointed One. Why would God do this? He does it because the Lord has set Cyrus apart for a holy purpose. Cyrus will free Israel from their captivity in Babylon. He will send them home to rebuild their temple. Cyrus will not do this because He believes in the true God. He will not do it because He has cast aside His satanic idols. He will do it because it will make him look good politically. He will do it because He doesn't think any one god is more important than any other. Cyrus will be a self-absorbed pagan conqueror and he will do what he does for self-absorbed pagan conqueror reasons.
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"Martin Luther"
by Tommy Womack
Martin Luther slung his feces up against the wall.
"Get thee hence here, Satan. You will not see me fall."
Martin was a wanted man, it all just kinda got to him.
But now all Minnesota gives what Martin Luther's due him.
Martin Luther nailed a bunch of theses to a door.
Ninety-five in all, he coulda thought of more.
The printing press was hip, like the internet is now,
And Martin Luther got in trouble, like you don't know how.
Martin Luther said that a man can talk to God.
All he needs between 'em is the taste of Jesus' blood.
You don't have to sell things and you don't have to buy,
And no man gets to say who goes to heaven when we die.
Martin Luther went to court, such as courts were then.
You had the right to shut your mouth, and not open it back up again.
Martin Luther talked, and Martin Luther talked,
And after Martin Luther finished talking, Martin Luther walked.
So the Pope sent folks to kill him, and they prob'ly would,
If a gang of friendly monks ain't hid him in a dungeon for his own good.
That's where he slung his feces, locked up in a cell.
Hallucinating Satan, but otherwise holding up quite well.
Martin Luther said that a man can talk to God.
All he needs between 'em is the taste of Jesus' blood.
You don't have to buy things and you don't have to sell,
No man gets to say who goes to heaven or to hell.
You don't have sell things and you don't have to buy,
And no man gets to say who goes to heaven when we die.
Martin Luther. | | comments: 5 comments or Leave a comment |
| Rev. Charles Lehmann + Matthew 22:1-14 + Pentecost 21 In the Name of + Jesus. Amen. When Emily Post wrote about what a gentleman should wear to a wedding she said, “Your full dress [suit] is the last thing to economize on. It must be perfect in fit, cut and material, and this means a first-rate tailor.” Miss Post was writing about ordinary people going to an ordinary wedding. Though all of us probably have at least one nice suit or one nice dress that we could wear to any wedding we were invited to, Miss Manners doesn't ever say what to wear to the wedding of a prince. She doesn't have anything in her book about how to respond to a king's invitation. Though we don't have any guidance from Miss Post, we can all guess how we'd want to dress for a royal wedding feast. When you go to the King's feast, you wear a suit fit for a king. But we're not going to find that kind of suit at Wal-Mart or Sears. None of us can afford what we'd need to wear if we went to the wedding of the King's Son. That makes the situation in the parable today very very strange. The King sends for all those He has invited to the wedding. And after He is scorned twice by those He invited first, He sends out His servants a third time. This time He doesn't bother with the guests He invited the first time. Though God had wooed the people of Israel for thousands of years, this time He sends His servants to invite others. God the Father will have His eternal feast. The will of the Heavenly King will not be thwarted at the end. The Lord will fill his banquet hall. He will pack the New Jerusalem so full of saints that there will be no room for more. The oxen and fattened calves have been slaughtered, and everything is ready. The feast will happen—one way or the other! And so in our parable, the King sends out His servants one last time. He tells them, “Go to the street corners and invite to the banquet anyone you find!” Anyone... there were no requirements. The King commands His servants to gather everyone, both good and bad. But these new guests are simple common folk. They've got nothing to wear to a King's banquet. What they have in their closets would stick out like a sore thumb. That means that there's only one way they can be properly dressed. They have to wear what the King gives them. ( Read more... ) | | comments: Leave a comment |
| Rev. Charles Lehmann + Matthew 21:33-43 + Pentecost 20
In the Name of + Jesus. Amen.
David once prayed, “The Lord works righteousness and justice for all who are oppressed. He made known his ways to Moses, his acts to the people of Israel. The Lord is merciful and gracious, slow to anger and abounding in steadfast love. He will not always chide, nor will he keep his anger forever. He does not deal with us according to our sins, nor repay us according to our iniquities. For as high as the heavens are above the earth, so great is his steadfast love toward those who fear him; as far as the east is from the west, so far does he remove our transgressions from us.”
The love and patience of the Lord God King of the Universe is great beyond anything that you or I can imagine. In the very beginning the Lord planted a garden in Eden. It was lush, green, and full the Lord's bounty. And early on the sixth day, probably before Adam had even drawn a dozen breaths, the Lord came to him and said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food.”
Adam had done nothing to deserve the Lord's favor. In fact, Adam had not existed long enough to have done anything at all. The Lord simply wanted to give his gifts to the man He had fashioned from the dust of the ground. From the very beginning the Lord was rich in grace and poured out his love on his creation. Even in those moments before Adam and Eve had sinned, the Lord loved them purely out of grace and undeserved favor. He had created Adam and Eve in a perfect relationship with Him. The Lord walked in the garden with the man and his wife. There was no sin to separate them. There was no death. There was no decay. God lived in absolute perfect communion with the man and his wife.
But things changed. Adam and Eve ate the fruit of the one tree the Lord had not given them. In this initial theft, Adam and Eve committed the sin that would separate them from God and send them and all their descendants into bondage to death and decay. Things changed greatly for Adam and Eve, but they didn't change for God. Balaam would later put it this way, “God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should change his mind.”
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| These are the lyrics to a song I wrote after an argument with a Jehovah's Witness. After watching "The Passion of the Christ", I stated that since Jesus died for the sins of everyone in the world, then each and every one of us were the ones driving the nails through his flesh, nailing him to the cross. He disagreed and said that the Romans and Jews had sole responsibility.
Ugh. Anyway, this is the song I wrote as I mulled over the events of that night. I've e-mailed them to the Worship Director of the contemporary service at my church (www.gslcflock.org) to see if she thinks it might be something that we (the praise band) could do towards the end of Lent.
I would say "Enjoy!", but that doesn't really apply to such a dark song.
So, without further ado, I present:
"Brick"
Lyrics by Travis Kilgore. Music by Travis Kilgore, Chris Graham and Michael Newman
I know the way I'm supposed to live,
I know the things that I shouldn't do.
Etched on my heart, still I come up short,
I miss the mark and it falls on you.
Debt of my wrongs must be satisfied,
Spilling of blood, something's gotta die.
Left on my own I could never save,
I've earned my place in the cold, dark grave.
(Chorus)
I know... I'm neither last nor first,
Although I might be the worst.
The part of me... that's just wrong and sick...
It weighs upon Him like a brick.
(Guitar Solo)
(Bridge)
Take it all the way...
Take it all away.
You died for all to see...
You died for me.
(Instrumental break, back into the final two verses)
Guilt of the world lashed onto Your back,
Bear the weight of all, never bend or crack.
Straw by straw, pile it nice and thick,
No, it's not enough, let me add my brick.
I dipped the bread, chosen to betray,
I held a sword in Gethsemane.
I raised my voice, shouted "crucify!"
I drove the spear deep within your side.
(Chorus)
I know... I'm neither last nor first,
Although I might be the worst.
The part of me... that's just wrong and sick...
It weighs upon Him like a brick.
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A Christian missionary worker is assigned to work at this tiny little village in the heart of the Congo. From the moment his plane touches down on the tiny little jungle landing strip and all during the 50 mile drive on horrible, bumpy and rutted dirt roads he hears the sound of native drums off in the distance.
He gets to the village and settles into his hut, and for three days straight he gets not a wink of sleep... the constant drumming prevents him from getting any rest.
After the third night he tracks down his translator, whom he is working with until he learns the local language, and asks him "Hey, what's with these drums I hear?"
In his heavily accented but nevertheless excellent English, the translator replies "Oh, the drums... Day and night, drumming drumming drumming. They almost never stop! But, my friend, you will get used to it."
The missionary asks "So, it's nothing to worry about, like war drums?"
"Oh, no no no... Not war drums, just annoying."
The translator was as good as his word, and the missionary soon was able to tune the drums out, much as we do not really hear the ticking of a clock on the wall. So he goes about his business of life and work in the little village.
One day, perhaps six months later, he's walking down the road through the center of the village, and abruptly...
...the drums stop.
There's a moment of stunned silence, where nobody moves, or even seems to breathe...
Then utter pandemonium breaks loose! People throw down what they're doing, grab the nearest child and run, screaming as if all the demons of hell were hot on their heels.
The missionary stands in the road watching the mass exodus, completely confused by the goings on. He sees his friend, the translator, running down the street towards him, and he grabs him as he passes by.
"What's going on!?!?"
Clearly panicked, the translator says "Ooh, the drums have stopped, the drums have stopped! We must leave this place and WE MUST LEAVE NOW!!!"
The missionary, now even more alarmed, asks "What happens when the drums stop?!?"
The translator looks utterly horrified, as if he's unable to think of words to adequately convey the terror that is shortly to come, but then he blurts out...
"Bass solo!!!" | | comments: Leave a comment |
| Hi Lutherans,
I lost my dad on the night of May 4. It was so very sudden and it is a very hard time for me. I am having many little crises of faith at times. I do know that this is just the devil trying to shake me from my faith and from believing that my dad in heaven. I know he is because he also had faith in Jesus being our Savior.
Does anybody have any words of advice or any miracles to share?
I just never expected my Daddy to die before I got married and had a new main male in my life. I didn't even get to tell him one last "I love you." | | comments: 6 comments or Leave a comment |
| In response to a response to the "Hey, how's it going" post from below, I present to you:
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God is stupid good to me, as He is to all of us. | | comments: Leave a comment |
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