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Coolest. Theory. Ever.
A friend of mine recently got into Lost, and he immediately came up with one of the craziest and best Lost theories I've ever heard.

It's long, but it's SO WORTH IT. Trust me on this one.



Again, this isn't MY theory, I'm just posting it on my friend's behalf.


The Valenzetti Equation is a mathematical formula designed to predict the end of the world. Through research of this equation, the end of the world was found to be 4:23:42 pm on April 8th, 2015. This is the significance of the series of numbers: 4:8:15:16:23:42.

It was once stated that “the Dharma Initiative set out to find a way to change the Valenzetti Equation.” Their strategy for avoiding the end of the world was to create a time machine to prevent the world from ever reaching the year 2015, at least in an isolated location where some pocket of humanity could thrive. Perhaps this location could at first be used as an experiment for proof of concept and then perhaps if the process is perfected, the entire Earth can be saved. The island was chosen as this location for one of two reasons: either it was just remote enough that it would be easy to protect it from external disturbance that could disrupt the research, or the island had some intrinsic properties that made it special. I lean towards the former, but I could be swayed either way.

A key piece of the functionality of the time machine was the installation of a gigantic magnet underground beneath the island. This obviously causes the unusual electromagnetic abnormalities experienced there. At some point, probably in the 1980’s (let’s say 1988 for the sake of argument), the time machine was completed. From this point on, the Island exists in a sort of space-time bubble which is separated from the timeline of the rest of the universe. The Swan station is used to reset the machine periodically to always keep the time machine locked at the original start date in 1988. So as long as the Swan is functioning, the island will remain locked in 1988 while the rest of the world/universe proceeds through time normally.

When Desmond/Kelvin discussed how the resetting of the Hatch computer was “saving the world” - this is quite literally true. Keeping the island in 1988 allows them to avoid ever reaching 2015 when humanity is doomed. I believe that after the Hatch was imploded, time on the island would begin moving forward in time with the rest of universe. It would still be locked approximately 19 or 20 years in the past compared to the rest of reality, but it would move forward nonetheless.

Now, a very important concept in this theory is the fact that entering the bubble of the time machine will basically create two separate threads of reality for anyone/anything that enters. So, for example, when the plane crashes onto the island it passes through the boundaries of the time bubble. One “copy” of the plane remains outside in reality where it crashes to the bottom of the ocean and everyone dies in the 2004. The other “copy” enters the island in the year 1988 where many people survive.

Around the perimeter of the island, I believe there is only one way to leave the time bubble. Michael and Walt were given this exact bearing so that they could leave. Whenever anyone else tried to leave on the sailboat, they were unsuccessful because they didn’t know where to leave.

Here is a brief list of some strange anomalies that I think can be explained with this theory:

1) Lock and Rose were healed when they arrived on the island. This is because the only “copy” of them now exists in 1988 when both of them were perfectly healthy.

2) When Naomi crashed on the island she had a phone/communication device that Sayid mentioned was slightly more advanced than anything he had seen. This is because Sayid crashed in 2004. Though he’d only spent what seemed like 90 days on the island, it was probably 2007 or so in reality when Naomi crashed onto the island.

3) Women cannot conceive on the island but they can give birth to babies conceived before they arrived. This is because a child conceived on the island is conceived in the year 1988. This child does not exist in the true reality. The termination of the pregnancy is part of the universe’s course correction (we will address course correction in detail shortly).

4) Desmond’s premonitions. Desmond is different from the other people in the Lost crew. He did not crash on a plane and theoretically never died in reality. So when he arrives at the island, there now exist TWO living copies of Desmond in separate threads of reality. One remains in 1988 while the other moves forward through time. This would explain perfectly why he can see into the future.

5) Walt appears to have aged more than everyone else when he returns to the island after having left it. It’s possible that Walt and Michael leave for a number of years before returning to the island. Very little time has passed on the island compared to how much time they spent in the real world during their time away. This plays into a statement from Lost co-creator Damon Lindelof: “We’ve always known Malcolm was going to grow faster than we could shoot the show. And we planned for it. Trust us. Please trust us.” If Walt’s age abnormality was always planned, that should indicate that some sort of time plot was planned from the start.

6) The Other known as Richard doesn’t appear to age. He is also known to have left island at some point(s). I’m not sure exactly how this would tie in, but it could be a clue to his state.

7) The Others seem to be able to gather incredibly detailed information about the survivors in an extremely short period of time. Since it’s 1988 on the island and it’s the future outside the island, if the Others can use DHARMA’s equipment to access contacts on the other side, they can get answers from the future.

8) Christian Shephard. His body was on the plane that crashed. Perhaps his body going back in time brought him back to life on the island (similar to the healings of Locke/Rose). This could account for his empty coffin, the fact that he’s been seen on the island (which, of course, could also just be another hallucination), and the fact that Jack refers to him in the flashforward as being alive. The crash would’ve created 2 copies of his body – one in the 2004 reality plane (dead) and a resurrected 1988 one on the island. This is a different scenario from survivors of the crash who die on the island, ending the life of the only remaining copy of themselves. Additionally, Christian was seen in one of the online videos instructing Vincent to wake Jack. This seems impossible to be a hallucination (unless the dog was hallucinating?) and the fact that Christian goes off alone rather than joining the other survivors indicates to me that he has some pre-existing knowledge or ties to the island. After I wrote this, I watched last night’s new episode and seeing Christian in the cabin has reinforced this a bit!

9) Locke began to lose feeling in his legs when he was near the ‘?’ area on the map. It’s entirely possible that this was just a ruse by Locke to somehow manipulate Boone, but I think it’s somewhat likely that the ‘?’ area, being located in the center of the island’s time machine, is the location of the portal that connects the two threads of reality. Locke’s proximity to this area could have been what caused him to begin reverting back to his paralyzed state.

I can’t directly explain all of the tremendous coincidences that occur between characters (Hurley’s lotto with the numbers, Yemi’s plane crashing on the island, the “real” Sawyer being Locke’s dad thing, etc. etc.) but I feel very confident that all of those things have to do with the concept of “course correction” by the universe. As Desmond explained in relation to Charlie’s death - you can only postpone it, but the universe will eventually catch up and correct itself. I think that this, on a broader scale, it’s what’s happening on the show as the universe tries to get back on course and correct itself to appropriately end humanity at the scheduled date and undo the attempts to prevent our demise with a time machine.

The universe orchestrates what seems to be an absurdly complex string of coincidences and interconnectedness between characters in order to create the right set of variables for that plane to crash on the island and those people to inadvertently destroy the time machine and put the world back on its course for destruction.

This concept of “course correction” as a plot device is, in my opinion, a brilliant tool for the writers of the show. It allows them to weave an intricate network of plot elements that seem ridiculously impossible and complex, but all those otherwise unexplainable loose ends can be tied together in the form of universal course correction.

I suspect that course correction may come into play more in the future of the show where we will see many or all of the characters who were “supposed to die” in the plane crash facing inevitable and inescapable death as the universe is catching up to them. This, obviously, is just a wild guess for the future of the show.

A little side note that ties into this theory: I believe the Polar Bears on the island are a reference to the concept of being in danger of extinction. Humans are using the island as their means to try to fend off extinction and the polar bear is an iconic animal when it comes to endangerment. The choice of these animals as a research species on the island could simply be a piece of symbolism by the Lost writers.






As he is LJ-less, if you'd like to leave him a comment, you can do it HERE where he's also listed some sources and thanks :D



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[info]sipperphoto
2008-02-09 03:59 pm UTC (link)
whoa. This is one of the few theories that actually could make sense!

nice!

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[info]katsumeragi
2008-02-09 04:05 pm UTC (link)
MINDFUCK.



No, actually that makes a lot of sense. Wow.

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[info]croakvegas
2008-02-09 04:06 pm UTC (link)
Eeeep. That's one of the better theories I've heard, parts of it are a little bit questionable but on the whole I'm very bloody impressed by it.

I love how people's minds work, that they can come up with this stuff.

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[info]greenwitch
2008-02-09 04:07 pm UTC (link)
I know this isn't your theory, but for the sake of discussion I want to bring up one point...

So, for example, when the plane crashes onto the island it passes through the boundaries of the time bubble. One “copy” of the plane remains outside in reality where it crashes to the bottom of the ocean and everyone dies in the 2004. The other “copy” enters the island in the year 1988 where many people survive.

The question to me is, how does it fit in that the "pilot's" body on the sunken plane wasn't wearing a wedding ring? Are we taking Frank's statement to the Oceanic Hotline as truth, since it's possible he wasn't contacted by whoever's running this mission until after he called to point that out? If so, are the bodies on the floor actual copies (as they would be by this theory) or were they just bodies that were planted? Or did the ring just fall off? (Because, for frak's sake, those bodies would've been WAY more decomposed by that time in reality, unless that trench was REALLY deep.)

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[info]annilita
2008-02-10 12:43 am UTC (link)
The Sunda trench is very deep. It's the second deepest trench in the Indian Ocean, according to Wikipedia.

But, we still don't know when the search was called off exactly. And remember, it's only been about 100 days in Lost time, so 3.5 months-ish? I'm not an expert, but I don't think that they would be any worse than they were.

However, judging by the find815 ARG, I think it's more plausible that the plane was planted by The Maxwell Group, who then sent one of their own flunkies out to find it and sent Sam Shepard (was that his name?) clues that led him to be on the same boat to be a non-Maxwell Group person to corroborate the story of the wreckage.

I like this theory as a theory (except perhaps #4, given that non-island Penelope was never able to find Desmond 2.0 off island, but perhaps Desmond 2.0 died when his boat crashed?), but I'm not sure I'm convinced of the theories running along this vein yet. I can see how people can make the connections, I'm just not sure that they are right.

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(no subject) - [info]filigod, 2008-02-11 06:07 pm UTC

[info]mentalrant
2008-02-09 04:10 pm UTC (link)
Wow this really makes a lot of sense. Maybe the whole thing with the pilot's wedding ring was just to throw us off.

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[info]rainforestelf21
2008-02-09 04:17 pm UTC (link)
I....wow.

I think he's figured it out.

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[info]oceanicair815
2008-02-09 04:18 pm UTC (link)
Wouldn't #8 mean Christian is one of the Oceanic Six then? I mean, in your theory you explain that there are two different "threads" of reality; one outside the island (where time moves at a normal pace) and one on the island, where time is "frozen". Christian died in the normal reality, and possibly came back to life in the frozen reality, because of it being 1988. Therefore, if Christian was alive during Jack's flashforward at the end of season three, he would have had to get off the island. But then he might have fallen dead as soon as he left the frozen reality.
Wow, long comment lol. But yeah, that's an awesome theory and I need some aspirin. XD.

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[info]rosie1200
2008-02-11 08:08 pm UTC (link)
I actually do think Christian may be one of the Oceanic 6.

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[info]emperor3d
2008-02-09 04:18 pm UTC (link)
Walt just went through puberty.
So when John said "he's taller" it's just a cover for this fact on behalf of the writers.

Otherwise, yeah, a lot to think about.

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[info]overthemoo
2008-02-09 07:44 pm UTC (link)
Walt went through puberty in a month/less than a month? No. It's not a cover-up... every single fan of Lost knew this would be an issue (the actor's growth/maturing), what with a year of Lost taking up only a month on the island. I do believe they always had an idea to get them off the island with the time-period plan.

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[info]violentmae
2008-02-09 04:20 pm UTC (link)
That's a pretty cohesive theory you've got there. It explains quite a bit... I'm trying to figure out how to explain the differences in photo-frames listed in a previous post with this theory... hrm.

I'm trying to find it's equal over here but haven't yet.

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[info]glueandglitter
2008-02-09 04:30 pm UTC (link)
I'm sorry this is totally off topic, but it your icon from Breakfast of Champions?

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(no subject) - [info]violentmae, 2008-02-09 04:42 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]glueandglitter, 2008-02-09 05:16 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]violentmae, 2008-02-09 05:12 pm UTC

[info]seanyoda
2008-02-09 04:21 pm UTC (link)
Lock and Rose were healed when they arrived on the island. This is because the only “copy” of them now exists in 1988 when both of them were perfectly healthy.

Using that logic, how can Claire be pregnant with Aaron when the only "copy" of her now exists in 1988, when she wasn't pregnant?

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[info]strapping
2008-02-09 07:27 pm UTC (link)
Same thought!

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(no subject) - [info]kayling, 2008-02-09 11:48 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]slave1, 2008-02-16 07:16 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]phoenixothon, 2008-02-10 02:02 am UTC

[info]forgetfulness
2008-02-09 04:22 pm UTC (link)
I'm having a really hard time fitting #3 in with this theory because it isn't just the babies who die; it is also the mother's. How can we reconcile their death's with the idea that everyone defaults to their life condition in 1988?

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[info]ashabasha
2008-02-09 10:58 pm UTC (link)
right, because if they went into "default life" then the children would not be alive.

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[info]lowefamily
2008-02-09 04:33 pm UTC (link)
That's not bad, but I don't know that I buy it. :)

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[info]angelcure
2008-02-09 04:41 pm UTC (link)
This is awesome, and makes a lot of sense. I especially like the part about the polar bears, as I also thought they were chosen by the producers because they're an iconic species, and they're in danger due to global warming. No one would pay much attention if they were doing research on bacteria, for instance, hence the use of a more 'popular' species, like polar bears.

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[info]violentmae
2008-02-09 04:44 pm UTC (link)
And bacteria tromping through the jungle and killing people on a tropical island is not nearly as far fetched as polar bears. ;)

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(no subject) - [info]angelcure, 2008-02-09 04:47 pm UTC

[info]irkthepurist
2008-02-09 04:44 pm UTC (link)
i like this a lot and it slightly, *slightly* reminds me of elements of clifford simak's classic sci fi novel "way station" which i'd never considered before in regards to "lost" but am immediately going to read again in context of this very theory. i don't think it's quite right, but i think he's certainly onto something!

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[info]dylanevl
2008-02-09 05:02 pm UTC (link)
don't think the theory is right but I think elements of it could be dead-on. Watching the show, I keep thinking of one of the backward message from the room where Karl was being brainwashed-- only fools are stuck in space and time

One flaw in the theory: The island didn't cure Locke because he was suddenly his 1988 self again, it cured him because he was special. Even Ben was impressed.

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[info]judeaslinksta
2008-02-09 05:06 pm UTC (link)
I do think some of this is really on point...but like someone else pointed out, how would Claire still be pregnant, if she reverted back to 1988 time? And for that matter, wouldn't Walt not have been born yet?

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[info]pocket1
2008-02-09 05:10 pm UTC (link)
I think this theory has a lot of holes. What about the birds - do they migrate into 1988 and then migrate out again? What about the Red Sox and all of the ways that TPTB have gone out of their way to show us time concurrence with the outside world? Like when Ben showed Juliet realtime footage of her sister? Are they talking to 2007 from 1988 on their sat phones? And Walt and Vincent weren't even born in 1988 so how would they revert to their life condition in 1988? Also, how can the two versions of Desmond comunicate with each other?

I do think there is time travel on Lost, but I think it is exactly as described by Mrs. Hawking to Desmond.

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[info]lijoka
2008-02-09 05:31 pm UTC (link)
Very good theory, indeed, but there's just one thing that is bugging me. Richard doesn't age, true, but Alex does and - please correct me if I'm wrong - she was born in/after 1988, wasn't she?
And the pregnancy thing: wouldn't make more sense that women could get pregnant on the island, but lost their babies if they got pregnant off the island, seeing as they're back to their '1988 self'?

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[info]ack_attack
2008-02-09 05:35 pm UTC (link)
Holy shit I just realized something thanks to this question:

Alex WAS born in 1988, 16 years before 2004 is when Danielle reached the island and she was pregnant at the time!!!!!!!!!!

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[info]strbjun
2008-02-09 05:32 pm UTC (link)
It is a well thought out idea but I don't think it'll be how it is in the show. Time will definitely be a factor though considering the polar bear in the recent episode, so this means that time travel will definitely play a role in the future (outside of the time travel in the perspective of the view / storytelling but actual time travel occurring in the present tense).

This is, obviously, a very complicated story. But I also have a feeling that, once everything is connected, the story will be simplified and we'll all be going WTF at the end and realize that the answer was far more simple than anyone had ever realized and that people are looking far more into it than they should. But... we'll see in season 6 if this is true.
I think, considering how they've told the story so far, they're not going to make the final answer all that complicated... just make it appear as if it may be complicated until we reach that point. This is how the writers are genius'. I've never seen a TV show so well put together that is simple yet complicated at the same time. The answers will probably work the same way.

Obviously there is something wrong with the island. But it has been denied already that it is a place in limbo, they're obviously not actually dead, and the island isn't there. Who knows though... maybe Charlie gave a little by of foreshadowing. Perhaps the island really exists on earth, is alive, but isn't actually there? :) So, its there but not there.

I'm not so sure the island is just simply in the past though. Maybe it is in the past... but also in the future... and in the present. And in none of them as well! I know, that doesn't make a lot of sense. But in the world of lost it actually works. Either way, the writers of lost will be able to articulate that quite well if it is so. We'll see.

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[info]ninjabee
2008-02-09 05:39 pm UTC (link)
I was thinking about a similar theory - but the wedding ring on the pilot in the wreckage found under the sea made me rethink.

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[info]greenwitch
2008-02-09 05:49 pm UTC (link)
Yeah. To me, that says "plants" rather than "copies".

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(no subject) - [info]heyt, 2008-02-09 06:49 pm UTC

[info]foresworn
2008-02-09 05:43 pm UTC (link)
I like! Even if its not how it turns out, this is a great piece of awesome.

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[info]la_petite_singe
2008-02-09 06:04 pm UTC (link)
I...I...whoa. I dig that. Here's the question: how the hell are they going to explain that to us within the show?

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[info]lastyearswishes
2008-02-09 06:06 pm UTC (link)
HOLY SHIT I THINK I JUST BROKE MY BRAIN.

That is sheer brilliance.

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[info]jackieocean
2008-02-09 06:11 pm UTC (link)
This is a really really cool theory and I think it could be right about quite a few things.

However, I just thought of a question. If after the plane crashed in 2004, and the rest of the world has moved on to 2007 or 2008 or whenever, then how do you explain Juliet and her sister? Juliet has been on the island for three years and however many months. Ben showed her live video footage, with the current 2004 newspaper date showing, of her sister and little Julian. So that would mean that the rest of the world is still in 2004 and still moving forward in normal time.

Also, if Locke and Rose were healed because their bodies are reverting to their former 1988-type selves, then wouldn't Locke still have both kidneys? Locke made a point in the most recent episode that the only reason he was still alive after Ben shot him was because he was missing a kidney.

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[info]rosie1200
2008-02-11 08:19 pm UTC (link)
Plus he's still alive because the island heals him super fast!

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(no subject) - [info]eric_ninden, 2008-02-12 12:17 am UTC

[info]candiedheart
2008-02-09 06:15 pm UTC (link)
This is one of the BEST theories I've ever read

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