you cooked yourself? ([info]bellichka) wrote in [info]lost_bookclub,
@ 2007-07-23 10:18:00
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Book #4 - Lord of the Flies (discussion post)
Sorry this is late!



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Lord of the Flies


Thoughts? If y'all can tear yourselves away from Harry Potter for a bit, I'd love to hear what you thought of it :)

And when Sawyer confronts Jin and is all waving a knife around saying "it's Lord of the Flies time now," well that is just the sexiest thing that has happened in LOST ever. Am I right?

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[info]lavenderk5
2007-07-25 10:26 pm UTC (link)
ooooo Do I get to be first? Ironic, that, since I've been avoiding the internet as my copy of Harry Potter is still in transit.

Anyhooo... I read LotF about 22 years ago, and hated it. But it's one of those stores that sort of sticks with you (although many details have escaped me) and it was the first book I thought of when I started watching Lost. Mostly it's the search for some sort of order and society in a strange place. My thoughts are hazy, but there's the desire for rescue (for some) combined with the need for community and security. I've always found it interesting that Hurley has been the one who has consistently recognized that there is more to life than survival and has been the one who's insisted on quality of life issues. (golf course, parties, the van.)

Actually I remember the way in which the book was taught, rather than most of the book. What we had to do was pretend that we were crashed on a deserted island and pretty much take it from there. The teacher was the reality check, but he let us run with it. We did what the Lost folks did: there was the focus on basic survival, but as our time stretched on we formed societies and all that sort of thing. Then we discussed it after. Very powerful lesson.

That's what's coming to mind right now :)

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[info]bellichka
2007-08-05 11:41 pm UTC (link)
Wow, talk about method teaching. That sounds really interesting, and a really great way to learn. Did you all start killing each other in the end? :)

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[info]lavenderk5
2007-08-06 12:56 am UTC (link)
We wanted to :) I'm fuzzy on details because that was 23 years ago, but I do rememebr a lot of arguments about who was getting the food and who got to be the boss. (Probably one of the cheerleaders because the ones I went to school with were pretty tough.)

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[info]silverspitfire
2007-07-26 05:26 am UTC (link)
I'll admit that I did not re-read the book, but as [info]lavenderk5 pointed out it does seem to be one of those that just sticks with you.

Just based on the earlier episodes of season one I would have said that 'the beast' in the book and Smokey could be a representation of the same thing (the malicious part in everyone), but now it seems to be so much more than that. However, maybe that's part of what Smokey is scanning for...I dunno, I haven't kept up on the current theories behind the smoke monster, to be honest, so I'd love to hear if this at all is still plausible.

For me, this book fits into season one the best because I always felt that season dealt more with the internal conflicts of the Losties without the addition of the confrontations with The Others. I guess the question I asked as it applies to Lost is what it is that keeps them from descending into total chaos (is it something that they have left behind back at home? A commitment to themselves? A need to prove something? The "distraction" of the conflict with The Others?).

Ralph = Jack?
Jack/Simon = Locke???
Simon = Hurley?

I'd say Piggy could be closest to Sayid, maybe, just because of the logic aspect, but Sayid is so much more bad-ass than that ;).

Ack, I apologize if the above post wasn't all that coherent - my brain is slightly fried at the moment o_O.

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[info]lavenderk5
2007-07-28 12:29 am UTC (link)
"I guess the question I asked as it applies to Lost is what it is that keeps them from descending into total chaos (is it something that they have left behind back at home? A commitment to themselves? A need to prove something? The "distraction" of the conflict with The Others?)."

I'd say the conflict with the Others is kind of what "saved" them as a community. Or at least is a huge contributing factor. Once they dealt with the food and shelter issue, the Others gave them something to focus on aside from the suckage of being stuck on an island with no hope of rescue thing. It gave them the chance to bond :)

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[info]bellichka
2007-08-05 11:45 pm UTC (link)
I think the conflict with the Others has been a huuuuuuuge distraction for them... look at how much they fought with each other and attacked each other in the first season and even into the second. Then once the Others became the opponent, they sort of made nice with each other. War does make strange bedfellows, after all.

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[info]lavenderk5
2007-08-06 01:03 am UTC (link)
War does do that. And it's interesting how the relationships have changed since they've been there. I'm thinking of Sawyer here.. first season, and kind of onward, he really was odd man out. (Justifiably) But at the end of s3, it was Jack who the group has trust issues with.. also justifiably. That's my read anyway. Although I really do dislike Jack so my objectivity may be off.

Plus I need to watch again... *wanders off to look for s1 DVDs..*

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[info]silverspitfire
2007-08-06 02:34 am UTC (link)
War does make strange bedfellows, after all. Well said!

I too am going to have to re-watch the season 1 episodes to see how the relationships between the characters have changed. The conflict with the Others definitely brought them together (minus Jack...like [info]lavenderk5 said it is interesting to see how he was alienated for most of season 3 and only was trusted again at the very "end") or at least they've all decided that "the enemy of my enemy is my friend". It is interesting how larger threats can cause everyone to forget about smaller differences.

It'd be kinda neat to see a timeline in which the conflict with the Others never happened, though with all of the time-loop theories floating around maybe we will...

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[info]bellichka
2007-08-05 11:42 pm UTC (link)
It's funny that you say that this is a book that sticks with you - for me, I read it, and then forget it. Funny the impact that it has on different people.

And I related Piggy to Sayid as well, in that he was clever and very useful, but was not meant to be in a leadership position. However, I don't think Piggy could snap an Other's neck and kill him with his feet :)

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[info]lavenderk5
2007-08-06 12:57 am UTC (link)
If Piggy had done that I would have enjoyed the book a lot more :)

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