glowing dancer ([info]shioneh) wrote in [info]ljspeaks,
@ 2008-03-19 01:18:00
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Owner of livejournal refers to userbase as 'unfriendly forces'





Антон Носик:
В ситуации, когда нас пытаются шантажировать и запугивать, угрожая уничтожить наш бизнес, есть бизнес-причины не награждать такой род поведения. Это не просто психология человека, который упорствует тем больше, чем грубее на него давят. Дело в том, что никогда в истории какого бы то ни было успешного предприятия успех не достигался путем покорения агрессивной недружественной воле. Никакое решение – даже самое правильное – не должно приниматься под давлением.

Было бы, наверное, правильно этот пассаж про 12 марта пересмотреть в ближайшие дни. Но с точки зрения разумной корпоративной политики теперь придется дождаться бойкота. Пусть уж он пройдет. Чтобы тема народного негодования, угроз и запугивания была закрыта. А уж после этого обсуждать проблему по существу.

Source: http://www.izbrannoe.info/30184.html
First read heard about this here



Translate from Russian to English using Babelfish and pretty it up a bit and you get:

"In this situation, where they attempt to blackmail and to intimidate us, threatening to destroy our business, there is a business-reason not to reward this behavior. This is not the simple reaction of being more resistant the more pressure is applied. The fact is that through history no successful enterprise runs by being subjugated by unfriendly forces. No change, even the most correct one, will not experience some resistance.

It would probably be best to reconsider the recent changes. But from our point of view it is now necessary to wait until after the boycott has faded. Let it pass and have the voices of protest fade. Then we can consider changing this policy."


*disbelief* This saga gets crazier every day! The owner of livejournal is calling lj users, the people who provide the content for the site he runs 'unfriendly forces'? *crazy* They basically agree that they made a faulty decision but will not let us "win" by admitting their mistake? Since when does livejournal users expressing their discontent over recent business decisions and censoring constitute blackmail?

Any Russian speakers willing to summarize the rest of the article?


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[info]captpackrat
2008-03-19 02:48 am UTC (link)
In Soviet Russia, customer is always right. If customer is wrong, customer is shipped to Siberia!

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Exactly
[info]rafkoo
2008-03-19 09:45 am UTC (link)
That's what - we Poles - always fighted aginst!

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[info]colubra
2008-03-19 02:51 am UTC (link)
Well, 'hostile' and 'unfriendly forces' are things I can certainly see winding up as roughly-synonymous translations.
And well- there has been a lot of anger and hostility around the current 'basic go bye-bye' foofaraw, that I've seen. I can imagine that LJ Inc.'s seen more of it than I have.

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[info]merig00
2008-03-19 03:10 am UTC (link)
well his argument is that basic account on LJ is anachronism and no other blogging service has such a thing all of the other ones are paid or have some form of ads. which is complete bs. another thing is that only 10% of new bloggers create basic account the rest choose Plus or Paid. So why not leave the basic if it doesn't matter anyway.

Complete BS in favorite Nossik's way - everyone around me are retards and i'm the only smart one.

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Alas!
[info]ysabetwordsmith
2008-03-19 03:17 am UTC (link)
They should stop to consider that we also have no reason to reward their behavior.

*sigh* And that's probably the end of it. There's not much point arguing with Russians; they won't hesitate to destroy something to keep it out of enemy hands. Well, it was fun while it lasted.

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[info]kashiichan
2008-03-19 03:27 am UTC (link)
Solution: don't stop protesting the "business decisions" that you don't agree with.

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[info]randomposting
2008-03-19 03:43 am UTC (link)
Wooow!! That's insane.

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Translation of Article
[info]darkrosetiger
2008-03-19 04:05 am UTC (link)
My friend [info]russianswinga translated the article. It's too long for a comment; I've posted it here

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Re: Translation of Article
[info]jesspark
2008-03-19 04:17 am UTC (link)
My thanks to [info]russianswinga for translating the article and to you for posting it. Damn. I'm really, really glad now that, after six years or so, I let my paid account lapse...

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[info]florida_phoenix
2008-03-19 04:39 am UTC (link)
This is seriously insane.

Seriously...

Where can I get an archive tool? See... I've been on LJ for the last four years, and I... don't want to lose any of my content- thank you no...

Goddess this angers me!

the Phoenix

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[info]serenadesha
2008-03-19 04:54 am UTC (link)
http://fawx.com/software/ljarchive

:)

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(no subject) - [info]florida_phoenix, 2008-03-19 01:05 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]kadiera, 2008-03-19 01:37 pm UTC

[info]lavendertook
2008-03-19 05:38 am UTC (link)
I posted a list of migrating tools I know of here.

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(no subject) - [info]florida_phoenix, 2008-03-19 01:02 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]lavendertook, 2008-03-19 06:35 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]florida_phoenix, 2008-03-19 06:41 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]lavendertook, 2008-03-19 07:28 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]lavendertook, 2008-03-19 06:40 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]florida_phoenix, 2008-03-19 06:44 pm UTC
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[info]mercurychaos
2008-03-19 08:06 am UTC (link)
I've posted a step-by-step guide to leaving LJ over at my Insanejournal; I recommend IJ of course, but this method will work with any of the LJ clones.

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(no subject) - [info]florida_phoenix, 2008-03-19 12:58 pm UTC

[info]crowdog66
2008-03-19 04:50 am UTC (link)
This both angers and saddens me, and makes me determined to NEVER give LiveJournal any more of my money. As soon as my paid account is up, I'm out of here permanently.

(I'd be out of here sooner, but I've been asked very nicely to stay on LJ for a while, so I'm going to do my best to do so.)

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[info]serenadesha
2008-03-19 04:51 am UTC (link)
Waiiit, what? Aren't you supposed to silence the protesters... especially if you're already planning to make a change, why not stop people from getting more upset and do it right away rather than waiting.

Edited to add:

I am honestly now considering leaving LiveJournal. I've been here for seven years, and even with all the suggestions of leaving that were here before, I never wanted to do it. I'm too connected, too tied to LJ. I renewed my account in January because I didn't want to see ads, and I like LiveJournal, even though I've been upset with the direction they've been going. And now, honestly, I think I'm going to remove all my stuff via LJarchive and delete all my content and just leave a note that states why the journal has been emptied and where to find me. I can't delete my account because I know my friends won't follow me off LJ, so I'll need to read my friends page, but I will not contribute anymore. I haven't decided totally to do this, but it is the direction I'm leaning.

Edited at 2008-03-19 05:16 am UTC

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[info]thevelvetsun
2008-03-19 04:55 am UTC (link)
http://darkrosetiger.livejournal.com/373663.html#cutid1

Here's the full translation.

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[info]jemmix
2008-03-19 06:26 am UTC (link)
Mr. Nossik is not our owner, his position is Social Media Evangelist. In this interview he just expressed his personal opinion, you know, and the final decisions are always up to our management that is completely independent of him.

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(no subject) - [info]lied_ohne_worte, 2008-03-19 06:56 am UTC
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[info]basque
2008-03-19 08:32 am UTC (link)
Greetings from Russia =).
I've archived my blog (public one and few private journals) and moved to blogger.com soon after SUP had bought LJ. I've kept my lj-account in order to _read_ my friends' journals and communities which still stay at LJ. And I'm not the only one who did that =).

Firstly, 'cos there's no privacy for your content (including you private posts) while the service is ruled by a russian company. Any Russian knows that =).

Besides, people who work in SUP and make decisions are famous for doing nothing useful or smart: they've just found an investor - and they "milk" the investor. That's the story. They don't care about the service or users or content or anything but money they can get until everybody leaves LJ.

They failed to earn money by providing useful and interesting options. They failed to earn money by making ads comfortable and not that annoying. It seems they failed to "sell" LJ to advertisers. So they start pressing.
That's the only thing they know how to do: give option away, not adding new one.

So, IMHO, there's only one way - out of LJ to other services. Or you'll have to strike every quarter +) And they'll call it a war, they'll call you an enemy and they'll destroy the service but never admit your victory.

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(no subject) - [info]rafkoo, 2008-03-19 11:20 am UTC
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[info]bunny_parfait
2008-03-19 09:31 am UTC (link)
This is an unsettling read, but thank you for the translation. I'm all for the strike, but I agree with the above commenter - the only real solution is for users to leave en masse, and I don't really see that happening :/

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[info]volodymir_k
2008-03-19 02:41 pm UTC (link)
I have posted translated text (except from the last q&A) to [info]no_lj_ads. They will approve I hope so everyone will see.

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[info]whitebear
2008-03-19 02:59 pm UTC (link)
Look, people, there's a much more efficient way of protesting, one that doesn't require you to leave LJ or stay silent for a day. One simple action - and the effect is overwhelming and ongoing. And no need to coordinate our actions in time.

Everyone should install a trusted, harmless and absolutely legal banner killing software. I haven't done it myself yet for a simple reason: I understand ads are vital for the Internet and they are OK with me. So I just kill annoying pop-ups. But if we're talking protest, it's the perfect tool, and I'm gonna install one of these babies right now.

I can't recommend a particular software, but here's a list:
http://www.supershareware.com/get/banner-blocker.html

Now, I guess there's an option in any decent banner-killing software to kill ads from a certain site. So, be honest and kill banners only at livejournal.com.

You can imagine the effect. If we can do it together, there will be a sharp drop in LJ users' exposure to advertising, and that will make advertisers very discontent with SUP. Very. Let the bastards taste some REAL blackmailing :)))

If you agree, please, spread the word.

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[info]magickaldreamer
2008-03-19 03:03 pm UTC (link)
This is very unsettling. What ever happened to "The customer is always right"? The only way to please the customers is to cater to them on some level, and when such a large portion of the userbase is in uproar about the current scenario, telling them that they are the "unfriendly forces" and essentially saying that you don't care what they're doing now, and you want them to shut up is not anywhere near catering to them.

Clearly Mr. Nossik missed that memo.

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(no subject) - [info]eruditeviking, 2008-03-19 06:20 pm UTC

[info]lepestriny
2008-03-19 05:25 pm UTC (link)
"Then we can consider changing this policy" - is not close to russian text!

"And only then we (not together with us, as I see) may discuss the main point"

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[info]karmic_serenity
2008-03-20 01:17 am UTC (link)
They seem to have forgotten one thing - WE ARE THEIR BUSINESS!!!

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(no subject) - [info]pierceheart, 2008-03-22 03:38 am UTC

[info]slowowl
2008-03-20 06:13 am UTC (link)
not just "unfriendly forces", but "aggressive unfriendly forces"

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