Waiting on the road ([info]superdeluxe) wrote in [info]ljers4eternity,
@ 2003-09-15 06:51:00
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Flashman...a Fake?
I have been going over to flash's journal and leaving comments for the last 3 years...over 1,000 people have left comments....then someone asked if it was really true...and I replied with this..

I think if it was a fraud...it would have been exposed by now...nearly
2 years after the fact.


Someone replied to my response by saying that Flashman was the invention of another user, who was basking in the glow of the thousand comments and sympathy. And that this was a slap in the face of those that really died that day.

Well I still dont know what is the truth, but when I went to try and reply to this comment on flash's journal, The journal has been deleted.

GRRRRRRR if this is fake, what a slap in the face to all the nice people who left heart felt sympathies on his journal. Ugh. I just feel sick. I always had some suspicion about this because, I would never find 'flashman's real names listed in any list of the missing or the dead..

Ugh. If this message is inappropiate let me know, but now that flash's journal is deleted, and with this new found information..blah

Edited to add:

New information by one of the tech admins that ran the CBB board that rhyein and flash were on, as well as others.

http://www.livejournal.com/users/bubba_ray/37574.html




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[info]aliminx
2003-09-15 07:13 am UTC (link)
That would -REALLY- suck.

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[info]superdeluxe
2003-09-15 07:22 am UTC (link)
Like I said..I want to believe that flash was real...I almost have to believe him, just for the sake of all those hundreds of kind people that left kind heartfelt words for him...

But now with his journal being deleted...and me never ever finding his names anyone on the missing/killed list :-(

Then I begin to wonder, for those that were really close to flashman..I wonder if they know that he wasnt real...or if they were involved with this?

I dont know anymore.

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[info]caramelstars
2003-09-15 07:46 am UTC (link)
woaaah

I really don't know what to say. I really do hope it wasn't a fake, that would just be beyond words.

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[info]superdeluxe
2003-09-15 07:50 am UTC (link)
I know..me too for the sake of everyone..

I hope the person making this up is strung up blah.!

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[info]poetpaladin
2003-09-15 07:57 am UTC (link)
The LiveJournal staff would not delete the journal unless asked to by the deceased's relatives.

That means either that happened, or someone with access deleted it.

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[info]superdeluxe
2003-09-15 09:26 am UTC (link)
Thats what I am talking about, it was my understanding that one of flash's friends had control of the website.

This is all very strange and sad.

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(no subject) - [info]knosos, 2003-09-15 02:13 pm UTC
question? - (Anonymous), 2003-09-15 09:59 pm UTC
The Flashman situation
[info]tupelo
2003-09-15 02:11 pm UTC (link)
Hi Otto,

I am the lj user who sent you the email, so I suppose I should comment here. I was going to wait and let the moderator of this forum decide what she wanted to do, but I haven't heard from her yet and would rather comment than allow rumors to fly.

I found out about [info]flashman's journal in the week following 9/11. I commented there, posted my own tribute and link in my journal and shed a tear or two for what I thought was a selfless act that cost a young man his life.

The next year, as the anniversary approached, I watched the lists for his name. It was never there. It seemed odd that someone who died in such a heroic fashion got less notice than those who died in ways that were not as valiant. His story cried out to be memorialized -- surely some reporter somewhere would grab it? No, he was never mentioned.

I emailed [info]rhyein, the "friend" who was keeping his journal, to ask why he was never listed in the memorials. Her response was brusque, stating that his family didn't mind so why did I care? That made me suspicious, and that's when I started investigating. Here are some of the facts I found:

*I called the college he supposedly attended. They had no record of a student named Anthony Joseph Pereira and no record of any students dying heroically in the towers.

*Anthony Joseph Pereira is the real name of Joe Perry of Aerosmith -- a favorite band of [info]rhyein's.

*[info]flashman consistently misspells Manhattan as "Manhatten," just like [info]rhyein...though he supposedly lives there.

*[info]rhyein answered one query on the journal as to why [info]flashman wasn't listed in the memorials by stating that because he died at a hospital later and not actually in the towers, he was not listed. So that means EVERYONE listed died right there on the spot? NO ONE was transported to hospitals and died later?

*Somehow [info]rhyein had confirmation that [info]flashman was dead the day of the tragedy...but he was "last seen running into the towers" and he "died when they fell on him." How was his body recovered so quickly from under all those tons of rubble? And after the WTC fell on him, he lived to make it to the hospital? Amazing...and unbelievable.

*In [info]flashman's journal, he states he is 5'9 and weighs 98 lbs. This is practically impossible!

*[info]flashman was supposedly Italian, but rhyein misses his "British accent."

So, anyway, the whole thing stinks like a kettle of day old fish...and if you'll note in [info]rhyein's post about why she deleted the journal, she says it's because "Flash's journal is getting flamed and harrassed" and it is a "milestone"(sic) around her neck and she needs to move on. The truth is, she deleted it when I posted comments like the one I posted to you and sent her an email requesting that she post a public apology in [info]flashman's journal to all of the people who grieved for someone who didn't exist. She has not replied to my email...and she's still posting about [info]flashman as if he were real.

So yeah, it sucks that we all were made to feel pain for the loss of someone who never existed...and I don't know how she can look in the mirror and be okay with herself...but somehow she's still playing it out.

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Re: The Flashman situation
[info]superdeluxe
2003-09-15 02:57 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, I always kinda had suspicions when I couldnt find Anthony Perria(sp), in the lists of casualties.

But I never said anything because, i mean come on, who would want to be the first one?

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Re: The Flashman situation - [info]tupelo, 2003-09-15 03:01 pm UTC
Re: The Flashman situation - [info]superdeluxe, 2003-09-15 04:44 pm UTC

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(no subject) - [info]badbargain, 2003-09-15 07:37 pm UTC
Re: The Flashman situation - (Anonymous), 2003-09-15 11:01 pm UTC
Re: The Flashman situation - [info]dgirl424, 2003-09-16 05:46 am UTC
Re: The Flashman situation - [info]megalomaniac972, 2003-09-16 03:05 pm UTC
Re: The Flashman situation - [info]aliminx, 2003-09-18 05:19 am UTC
Re: The Flashman situation - [info]faeridancer, 2003-12-05 12:31 pm UTC
... - [info]aliminx, 2003-12-06 08:53 am UTC
... - [info]faeridancer, 2003-12-06 09:14 am UTC
Re: The Flashman situation - [info]faeridancer, 2003-12-05 12:29 pm UTC
Re: The Flashman situation - [info]faeridancer, 2003-12-05 12:27 pm UTC
Re: The Flashman situation - [info]risabe, 2003-09-15 04:33 pm UTC
Re: The Flashman situation - [info]tupelo, 2003-09-15 04:36 pm UTC
Re: The Flashman situation - [info]gigglingwizard, 2003-09-17 04:07 pm UTC
Re: The Flashman situation - (Anonymous), 2003-09-15 10:08 pm UTC
Re: The Flashman situation - [info]falls2climb, 2003-12-21 08:52 am UTC
Re: The Flashman situation - [info]risabe, 2003-12-21 09:17 am UTC
Re: The Flashman situation - [info]mariye, 2003-09-15 07:43 pm UTC
Re: The Flashman situation - [info]knosos, 2003-09-15 07:58 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]7rin, 2003-09-15 08:51 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]mariye, 2003-09-16 08:51 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]7rin, 2003-09-16 09:49 pm UTC
Re: The Flashman situation - [info]superdeluxe, 2003-09-15 10:24 pm UTC
Re: The Flashman situation - [info]newdaydawning, 2003-09-16 08:45 am UTC
Re: The Flashman situation - [info]newdaydawning, 2003-09-16 08:46 am UTC
More stuff. - [info]mannyvision, 2003-09-16 08:13 am UTC
Re: The Flashman situation - [info]xlxdarktouchxlx, 2003-09-16 08:47 am UTC
Re: The Flashman situation - [info]phigmentor, 2003-09-16 10:16 am UTC
Re: The Flashman situation - [info]mannyvision, 2003-09-16 10:38 am UTC
Re: The Flashman situation - [info]phigmentor, 2003-09-16 10:46 am UTC
Re: The Flashman situation - (Anonymous), 2003-09-16 11:37 am UTC
Re: The Flashman situation - [info]xavaxadorex, 2003-09-16 02:56 pm UTC
Re: The Flashman situation - [info]superdeluxe, 2003-09-16 02:58 pm UTC
Thanks, Otto - [info]tupelo, 2003-09-16 03:14 pm UTC
Re: The Flashman situation - [info]rickolis, 2004-03-28 12:48 am UTC
Re: The Flashman situation - [info]cryptic_tear, 2003-10-09 05:41 pm UTC
Re: The Flashman situation - [info]tupelo, 2003-10-09 06:33 pm UTC
Re: The Flashman situation - [info]cryptic_tear, 2003-10-09 06:44 pm UTC
Re: The Flashman situation - [info]drunkenrage, 2003-11-09 01:12 am UTC
Re: The Flashman situation - [info]cryptic_tear, 2003-11-09 08:30 am UTC

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Re: *sigh*
(Anonymous)
2003-09-15 08:39 pm UTC (link)
Shut up, idiot. Why do you care? Are you involved in any of this? NO. You're here because someone posted it on [info]bring_it.

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(no subject) - [info]onetrueway, 2003-09-15 08:54 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]hollygen, 2003-09-16 10:55 am UTC
Re: *sigh* - [info]peanut_emma_m, 2003-09-15 09:04 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]onetrueway, 2003-09-15 09:21 pm UTC

[info]yeec
2003-09-15 06:07 pm UTC (link)
I'm not saying whether anyone is lying here. But I'm very disappointed by the fact that some of you guys are fighting against each other on this painful true-or-false matter. It's sad enough to see our friends and people dying in the disaster. 9/11 is certainly a day that we can never forget. Why don't we stop arguing and let the dead to be resting in peace?

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[info]knosos
2003-09-15 06:15 pm UTC (link)
I don't see anyone arguing on this page...unless you have a very broad definition of arguing.

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(no subject) - [info]knosos, 2003-09-15 09:01 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]7rin, 2003-09-15 09:18 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ohsnap, 2003-09-15 11:53 pm UTC

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(no subject) - [info]yeec, 2003-09-15 06:30 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]7rin, 2003-09-15 09:05 pm UTC
guerilla fighter in disguise - (Anonymous), 2003-09-15 10:19 pm UTC

[info]rhyein
2003-09-15 07:22 pm UTC (link)
I deleted Flash's journal for a number of reasons. If you'd gone to my journal, you would have seen the reasons why.

1. I'm tired of being harrassed on LJ, on IM, and through Email by a number of people, either people who are convinced that I made him up, or by Islamic extremists/sympathetics that believe he deserved to die.

2. It's been 2 years now and I have been having to deal with wanting to cry every time I open my email to find a new comment by for him. Maintaining the journal has not helped my grief, but only made it worse.

The last comments made about him being fake were the "last straw" so to speak.

As for his name not being on the list... I don't know why that is. I've never known why that is, but his mother decided not to push it, so I didn't push it.

If you can pass this info along to your friends, that's fine with me, so long as people quit thinking I'm a liar.

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[info]superdeluxe
2003-09-15 07:38 pm UTC (link)
Not to be rude, but the casuality lists are usually put out regardless if the mother 'wanted to push it'

Isnt this true? If I am mistaken please let me know

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(no subject) - [info]mariye, 2003-09-15 07:49 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2003-09-15 07:51 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]7rin, 2003-09-15 09:00 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]gaias_umbra, 2003-09-16 08:52 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]superdeluxe, 2003-09-16 08:56 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]knosos, 2003-09-16 09:05 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kristeen, 2003-09-17 08:57 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]knosos, 2003-09-17 11:32 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kandy_illusion, 2003-09-18 02:18 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]superdeluxe, 2003-09-18 02:20 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]kandy_illusion, 2003-09-18 02:22 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]knosos, 2003-09-15 08:04 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]superdeluxe, 2003-09-15 10:37 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2003-09-16 12:49 pm UTC
But you used to know why, Rhyein - [info]tupelo, 2003-09-15 08:21 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]munkimunki, 2003-09-15 08:27 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]knosos, 2003-09-15 08:46 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]truna, 2003-09-15 08:51 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]xlxdarktouchxlx, 2003-09-16 09:03 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]truna, 2003-09-16 12:19 pm UTC
Oh you ....... - [info]phigmentor, 2003-09-15 09:04 pm UTC
Re: Oh you ....... - [info]rhyein, 2003-09-15 09:12 pm UTC
Re: Oh you ....... - [info]knosos, 2003-09-15 09:15 pm UTC
Re: Oh you ....... - [info]dgirl424, 2003-09-16 05:55 am UTC
Re: Oh you ....... - [info]phigmentor, 2003-09-16 06:44 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]7rin, 2003-09-15 09:14 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]phigmentor, 2003-09-16 06:41 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2003-09-16 10:55 am UTC
YOU HAVE GREAT CHARACTER REFERENCES - (Anonymous), 2003-09-16 02:08 pm UTC
BUSTED!!!! - (Anonymous), 2003-09-16 02:16 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2003-09-16 03:15 pm UTC

[info]mariye
2003-09-15 07:36 pm UTC (link)
I knew this man.

I talked to him.

He was a friend.

And I talked to him the day before he died.

I can't believe you would want to bring up and tarnish his legacy in such a stupid manner, causing his best friend and other friends such grief.

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[info]superdeluxe
2003-09-15 07:41 pm UTC (link)
I dont think he is intentionally trying to stir up trouble, I just think he wants to know the truth, as do many.

He is not the only one that questioned why Anthony was never on ANY casualty list. Usually the local govt puts theses lists out, they dont usually need permission from the parents to say wether someone died or not, I believe that is public record

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(no subject) - [info]phigmentor, 2003-09-15 08:49 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]mariye, 2003-09-16 08:48 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]phigmentor, 2003-09-16 09:34 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]phigmentor, 2003-09-15 08:51 pm UTC
BUSTED!!! - (Anonymous), 2003-09-16 02:17 pm UTC
Re: BUSTED!!! - [info]mariye, 2003-09-16 08:30 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]esprix, 2003-09-17 12:06 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]mariye, 2003-09-17 04:43 pm UTC
YOU GOT PUNKED! - [info]annoyingbluebug, 2003-09-20 07:00 am UTC
Re: YOU GOT PUNKED! - [info]mariye, 2003-09-20 08:42 pm UTC
For the record:
[info]7rin
2003-09-15 08:41 pm UTC (link)
This thread will not be pulled by me. I have only one reason for this, I too would like to know the truth of this. I got an email (from [info]tupelo?) mentioning this a while ago. I to just quietly delete reference to Flash in here and leave it at that until I'd looked into it things further. This thread kinda kick-started a reply, in much the same way as Sept 11th meant I couldn't "quietly" pull said references just yet. *wry g*

I would also like to know because the poetry site that the user info. points to is the first serious site I put together... it'd kind hurt to know it was based on a lie - but be a Good Thing too 'cause it'd mean one less person's died. :)

So yes, if anyone has any convincing evidence either way, I'd appreciate knowing. If it's real, then the evidence presented in here can be used for future reference when this question gets asked elsewhere... and if it is fake, well it served a purpose and gave people in LJ a rallying point when no-one knew wtf was happening in the world.

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Thanks, Trin
[info]tupelo
2003-09-15 09:01 pm UTC (link)
...and I'm sorry for littering up your community this way. I felt like I needed to answer the post since my questions had led to [info]flashman's journal being deleted. I didn't want to leave folks in the dark. I would also like to state that I told [info]rhyein yesterday that if she would reinstate Flash's journal and use it to post an explanation and apology, I wouldn't go public like this. She chose not to do that.

I honestly didn't believe people would put up such a fuss when confronted with the evidence or lack thereof, but my inbox this evening is a glowing testament to emotion over reason. I guess after a certain amount of chummy IMs and online chat, you forget that you don't actually know the person with whom you're talking. People are swearing to Flashman's existence with nothing more to go on than some saved IMs and chatroom logs.

I echo your sentiments above as well...this is a nasty bit of business but at least we can dry our eyes over Anthony Joseph Pereira. He's alive, well, and still playing guitar for Aerosmith...and, hey -- I hear he had a birthday last week!

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(no subject) - [info]7rin, 2003-09-15 09:16 pm UTC
Re: For the record: - [info]superdeluxe, 2003-09-15 10:47 pm UTC
Re: For the record: - [info]chelchik, 2003-09-16 01:16 am UTC
Re: For the record: - [info]silentbanshee, 2003-09-16 09:41 am UTC
Re: For the record: - [info]superdeluxe, 2003-09-16 09:42 am UTC
*innocent whistle*
(Anonymous)
2003-09-15 09:34 pm UTC (link)
http://web.archive.org/web/20010920005716/http://www.livejournal.com/users/flashman

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(Anonymous)
2003-09-15 11:04 pm UTC (link)
Actually, someone posted it on Image (http://www.journalfen.net/community/otf_wank/info)otf_wank (http://www.journalfen.net/community/otf_wank/) as well.

The word is spreading. Ooooh.

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[info]superdeluxe
2003-09-15 11:32 pm UTC (link)
Very, VERY revealing entries if I dont say so myself...

This one caught my eye..

She also claimed that Flashman was the nephew of Joe Perry himself

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2003-09-16 09:36 am UTC
He was Joe Perry's nephew! - (Anonymous), 2003-09-16 01:03 pm UTC

[info]chelchik
2003-09-16 01:26 am UTC (link)
The Social Security Death Index doesn't have a listing for a Anthony J Pereira or anyone with the first intial A and same last name, with his birthdate...or even close to the year of his birth.

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[info]superdeluxe
2003-09-16 07:13 am UTC (link)
So that pretty much proves, that he was a fake?

Can we let this issue drop now? And move on to the real heros of 9/11?

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(no subject) - [info]chelchik, 2003-09-16 09:07 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]superdeluxe, 2003-09-16 09:09 am UTC

(Anonymous)
2003-09-16 08:29 am UTC (link)
I'd like to point out that the journal existed far before the 9/11 incident.

I'm not saying it's real, but it didn't just pop up on 9/11.

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[info]superdeluxe
2003-09-16 08:33 am UTC (link)
I wasnt saying that it didnt.

But since the journal was deleted, we cant really tell anymore

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2003-09-16 08:36 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]superdeluxe, 2003-09-16 08:37 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2003-09-16 08:39 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]superdeluxe, 2003-09-16 08:41 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2003-09-16 08:43 am UTC
... - [info]superdeluxe, 2003-09-16 08:46 am UTC
... - [info]astral, 2003-09-16 08:48 am UTC
... - [info]tupelo, 2003-09-16 09:30 am UTC
... - [info]7rin, 2003-09-16 08:13 pm UTC
... - [info]tupelo, 2003-09-16 08:21 pm UTC
... - [info]7rin, 2003-09-16 09:45 pm UTC
... - [info]faeridancer, 2003-12-05 12:45 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2003-09-18 12:41 pm UTC
YEAH SHE CREATED "FLASH" BEFORE 9/11 WHEN HE "DIED" - (Anonymous), 2003-09-16 03:37 pm UTC

[info]bubba_ray
2003-09-16 08:43 am UTC (link)
I am going to say this once:

Flashman was no fraud.

Thanks for listening.

I knew him from way before 9/11 and while I wont sugarcoat the fact that he and me never got along at the best of times and that I am quite sure he despised me at the worst of it he sure as hell was a real person that died two years ago.

So get this straight, Flash did exist, he interacted on webboards with people a long time before the WTC Tragedy, I was technical Admin on one of these and I am pretty sure I can dig up proof that both he and Rhyein did exist as seperate people on these board. From my longtime personal dealings with both I assure you that Rhyein and Flash as their chosen names were radically different people in their characteristics.

In short, I cannot tell you what you chose to believe, I can only give you the facts that I know which clearly say that Rhyein and Flash posted from different places in the US three years back, and I can give you my word that I spoke with both and they were different persons that made appearances a long time before the 9/11.

Chose whatever you want to believe, but truts is that Flash was a real person that died two years ago.

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[info]knosos
2003-09-16 09:02 am UTC (link)
You know he existed because you interacted with him on webboards. Oh. Well clearly he's a real person then.

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(no subject) - [info]bubba_ray, 2003-09-16 02:02 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]superdeluxe, 2003-09-16 02:06 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]bubba_ray, 2003-09-16 02:09 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]knosos, 2003-09-16 02:15 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]bubba_ray, 2003-09-16 02:19 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]fallofrain, 2003-09-16 02:07 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]bubba_ray, 2003-09-16 02:08 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]fallofrain, 2003-09-16 02:10 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]bubba_ray, 2003-09-16 02:12 pm UTC
... - [info]jaina, 2003-09-16 02:21 pm UTC
... - [info]bubba_ray, 2003-09-16 02:30 pm UTC
... - [info]superdeluxe, 2003-09-16 02:39 pm UTC
... - [info]bubba_ray, 2003-09-16 02:45 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]medeaschild, 2003-09-16 07:00 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]bubba_ray, 2003-09-17 02:08 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]knosos, 2003-09-16 09:33 am UTC

[info]gaias_umbra
2003-09-16 08:46 am UTC (link)
Just a point...


Who is this person making these accusations toward Rhye? Do any of YOU know them personally? I don't. And I'm certainly not going to just take the word of some stranger that someone I've known for quite some time now is guilty of such heinous charges. That so many are choosing to see her as guilty before even being given an opportunity to proclaim her innocence?



Looking up information online is not the only way to research the truth of any given situation, and it certainly is not the most reliable. If you people want to have a witchhunt...then call it a witchhunt. If you want to know the full out truth on this matter...then hire a professional. This method so obviously isn't working for you.

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[info]superdeluxe
2003-09-16 08:47 am UTC (link)
Its not a witch hunt

Death certificates ARE PUBLIC record.

Anyone can find out if anthony pereira really existed or not.

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(no subject) - [info]shadowdreaming, 2003-09-16 08:59 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]superdeluxe, 2003-09-16 09:02 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]knosos, 2003-09-16 09:16 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]knosos, 2003-12-05 08:43 pm UTC
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... - [info]knosos, 2003-12-05 09:10 pm UTC
... - [info]faeridancer, 2003-12-06 07:04 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]njjevans, 2003-09-16 09:19 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]drama_troll, 2003-09-16 11:08 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]astral, 2003-09-16 11:11 am UTC
WANT PROOF? - (Anonymous), 2003-09-16 02:41 pm UTC
Re: WANT PROOF? - [info]gaias_umbra, 2003-09-16 02:51 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]knosos, 2003-09-16 09:28 pm UTC

[info]ex_dark_nati204
2003-09-16 09:33 am UTC (link)
I just learned of this...

Having no emotional stake in this particular issue, outside of the fact that I live near the Pentagon, I have come to one conclusive observation.

All of these replies, by Flashman's friends, have provided not ONE shred of evidence to prove his existence. They are regurgitated pleas to emotional sanctity, a method of debate intended to put the aggressor in a defensive stance.

Weak.

One part of me wants to destroy the mind behind such a henious plot; it is rare to witness such a cruel attempt at manipulating sympathy. The other part wants to force her to prove the existence of this man. A very small part wants to drag her to a therapist.

I lived 9/11 as close as possible, and the emotions I carry with me would dictate proving the doubters wrong. Perhaps I am simple and she has nothing to prove. But for all those who've jumped on her bandwagon...I doubt they ALL have that same peace of spirit she may or may not have.

If they do, then I am in the presence of saints. Because my experience, seven years and counting, of being online, weighs heavily against that.

I still remember coming home after sitting in traffic for hours on 9/11, unknowing what the hell had happened earlier because we weren't permitted radios at work. I had to get a call from my boss' business acquaintance in New York, telling me to go home. When I went outside then, I could see evidence of some accident in the distance. That would be the Pentagon.

I was then flabberghasted, and very touched, to find people waiting for me to show up in a particular chat room I went to. And so...had I died, I am content to know that no one would have ever doubted my existence, or struggled to prove it.

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(Anonymous)
2003-09-16 09:42 am UTC (link)
http://www.ljdrama.org/archives/000418.html

She's a star!

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[info]veuki
2003-09-18 07:21 am UTC (link)
*chokes*

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[info]callie_chan
2003-09-16 09:58 am UTC (link)
A friend of mine pointed out this thread to me, & it's got to be one of the most disturbing things I've read in a long time.

I'm a fiction writer, so I know all about fake personas. In fact, at one point I (very briefly--as in, maybe for fifteen minutes) fooled a close friend of mine by getting a different AIM name & using it to pretend to be someone else as revenge for a prank she'd pulled on me earlier...& I fooled her, too, even though she was my best friend & I'd known her for three long years. (Although again, it was very brief--she probably would have figured it out eventually.)

Sometimes fictional characters can seem even more real than real people do.

So to those of you who are insisting Flashman existed just because you talked to him over a chatroom, or who are insisting that Flashman & Rhyein are different people just because you've talked to them both online & they don't ACT like the same person--I can understand why you'd want to believe that you couldn't be so easily fooled, but it's extremely, almost frighteningly easy for a person to pretend to be someone else when you can't see their face. Anyone can create a false AIM or chatroom personality in ten minutes or less; & if Rhyein & Flashman seem fundamentally different in personality, keep in mind that an author can create a personality even more realistic than Flashman's. The point is, creating a persona isn't HARD, & being fooled by one isn't something to be ashamed of--though it's a horrible thing to be tricked into believing someone is real if they aren't. But don't assume that just because you talked to someone named Flashman that such a person really existed.

And to those of you who claim to have known Flashman in the flesh...

You make me sick.

I'm an author, & I create people who don't exist all the time. But I don't try to trick people into believing in them by pretending that they're real people, because emotions shouldn't be toyed with that way.

-Callisto

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(Anonymous)
2003-09-16 10:30 am UTC (link)
i guess billiam (http://www.livejournal.com/users/tomorrowwendy/23595.html)'s not the same

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2003-09-16 11:47 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ladymace, 2003-09-16 03:45 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]callie_chan, 2003-09-16 03:49 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ladymace, 2003-09-16 04:20 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]callie_chan, 2003-09-16 04:23 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ladymace, 2003-09-16 04:28 pm UTC
Shrieking Anime-icon people
[info]knosos
2003-09-16 10:07 am UTC (link)
If any of you people have a picture of a flesh, not ink, "Flashman", Please post it. If you people have a clipping of a real obituary, please post it.
If you don't have anything remotely like this, you're not doing anyone any good.

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Re: Shrieking Anime-icon people
[info]phigmentor
2003-09-16 12:32 pm UTC (link)
OOH OOH! I have one!

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Re: Shrieking Anime-icon people - [info]knosos, 2003-09-16 12:48 pm UTC
Re: Shrieking Anime-icon people - [info]phigmentor, 2003-09-16 01:16 pm UTC

[info]dazz
2003-09-16 01:30 pm UTC (link)
You are disgracing the memory of a good man, and my friend. I knew Flash, and I know Rhye, both from CBB.
And if you could see just what you're doing and how wrong you are, my God, you would hate yourself. He was a good and decent man, and now you question his very existance?
You wanna know why his journal was deleted? You're the reason. You, and everybody else who made it too hard on Rhye. She loved him, and you turned what should have been a memorial to him into something that made her cry every time she opened her inbox.

Go on. I suppose next you want to prove I don't exist. Fine, do what you want. But let the dead rest in peace, and don't tarnish the memories of the living.

I'm not angry, I'm sad. And can you believe it? I'm sad for you.
For shame. -_-

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(Anonymous)
2003-09-16 01:33 pm UTC (link)
Did you know him, then? Meet him irl? Have coffee with him?

There's nothing wrong in disgracing the memory of someone who NEVER EXISTED in the first place.

Shame on her for taking advantage of the sympathy and grief of so many people.

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(no subject) - [info]dazz, 2003-09-16 02:07 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]fallofrain, 2003-09-16 02:17 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]fallofrain, 2003-09-16 02:17 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]superdeluxe, 2003-09-16 01:39 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]mannyvision, 2003-09-16 01:42 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]knosos, 2003-09-16 01:49 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]fallofrain, 2003-09-16 01:51 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]knosos, 2003-09-16 01:57 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]fallofrain, 2003-09-16 01:58 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]knosos, 2003-09-16 02:01 pm UTC
Sorry.... - [info]tupelo, 2003-09-16 01:58 pm UTC
Re: Sorry.... - [info]fallofrain, 2003-09-16 02:03 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]dazz, 2003-09-16 02:12 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]knosos, 2003-09-16 02:27 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]knosos, 2003-09-17 08:31 pm UTC
CHARACTER REFERENCE - (Anonymous), 2003-09-16 02:03 pm UTC
PROOF - (Anonymous), 2003-09-16 02:43 pm UTC
Re: PROOF - [info]daenarys, 2003-09-16 03:00 pm UTC
Re: PROOF - (Anonymous), 2003-09-16 03:50 pm UTC
Re: PROOF - [info]daenarys, 2003-09-16 03:55 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2003-09-16 10:30 pm UTC

(Anonymous)
2003-09-16 01:45 pm UTC (link)
hi, my name is kiamba Janu, I have been looking for the relatives of flashman as no one has claimed his insurance /settlements from the 9/11 tragedy. could a few of flashmans friends please send me money to my account and i will be be able to release the funds that involve quite a large amount. I am sure that flashman would want those of you who "knew" him to share in his estate. especially the motherfucker who created him.
ALL ADDS UP TO A FRAUD, HOW STUPID CAN YOU PEOPLE BE THAT BELIEVE THAT FLASHMAN EXISTED. NO PROOF HAS BEEN PRESENTED THAT HE EXISTED. CUZ "HE/SHE" WAS ON THE NET. OF COURSE I AM REAL THO. PLEASE TRANSFER FUNDS TO MY SWISS ACCOUNT.TRUST ME.

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[info]dragonsfaith
2003-09-16 02:15 pm UTC (link)
Can I just say... that we were not in any way stupid to have believed in him. She... she did it well. She put him up a messageboard, she gave him an AIM name and she even gave him an LJ. Now, it's plain to see that ANYONE can have two AIM names online at once. ANYONE can have two LJs and two accounts on a messageboard provided no one cottons on to the truth... that it's all just a lie...

And no one did. Who were we to question it back then? No two posts on that board ever looked alike... Nothing tied one to the other in being the same and so no one looked behind the scenes for evidence...

We know now though... But we were in no way stupid for believing in him. Or her. We were friends. And that, for me, is what makes it all the more sad...

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(no subject) - [info]knosos, 2003-09-16 08:49 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]dragonsfaith, 2003-09-17 11:24 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2003-09-17 11:26 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]dragonsfaith, 2003-09-17 11:48 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]knosos, 2003-09-17 11:29 am UTC

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(Anonymous)
2003-09-16 01:50 pm UTC (link)
I wasn't close to him, or anything, but he was real.

Yeah, and I'm Ghandi reincarnated, too.

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(no subject) - [info]knosos, 2003-09-16 01:52 pm UTC
Repeating statements from above: - [info]tupelo, 2003-09-16 01:53 pm UTC
CHARACTER REFERENCES - (Anonymous), 2003-09-16 01:59 pm UTC
Re: CHARACTER REFERENCES - [info]fallofrain, 2003-09-16 02:02 pm UTC
Re: CHARACTER REFERENCES - (Anonymous), 2003-09-16 02:13 pm UTC
Re: CHARACTER REFERENCES - [info]fallofrain, 2003-09-16 02:18 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2003-09-16 02:21 pm UTC
Re: CHARACTER REFERENCES - (Anonymous), 2003-09-16 02:17 pm UTC
TECHNICAL PROOF, SORRY YOU WERE DUPED - (Anonymous), 2003-09-16 02:37 pm UTC

[info]superdeluxe
2003-09-16 02:08 pm UTC (link)
I think bubba ray responded to someone with some serious proof that Flash was rhyein. I am just reposting it..so people dont have to hunt for individual comments

http://www.livejournal.com/users/bubba_ray/37574.html?mode=reply

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[info]knosos
2003-09-16 02:12 pm UTC (link)
Dear shrieking anime-icon people.

To save time and money I'm having one giant "L" fabricated from Gundam alloy, and will be erecting over all of you at once.

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(no subject) - [info]fallofrain, 2003-09-16 02:19 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]daenarys, 2003-09-16 03:16 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]fallofrain, 2003-09-16 03:21 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]daenarys, 2003-09-16 03:22 pm UTC
... - [info]fallofrain, 2003-09-16 03:26 pm UTC
how does this prove anything? - [info]astral, 2003-09-16 07:35 pm UTC
Re: how does this prove anything? - [info]superdeluxe, 2003-09-16 08:12 pm UTC
Re: how does this prove anything? - [info]astral, 2003-09-16 08:25 pm UTC
Re: how does this prove anything? - [info]dialogue, 2003-09-16 08:34 pm UTC
Re: how does this prove anything? - [info]astral, 2003-09-16 08:46 pm UTC
... - [info]mariye, 2003-09-16 08:53 pm UTC
... - [info]astral, 2003-09-16 09:01 pm UTC
... - [info]knosos, 2003-09-16 09:04 pm UTC
... - [info]astral, 2003-09-16 09:09 pm UTC

[info]dragonsfaith
2003-09-16 02:25 pm UTC (link)
There were questions had by all of us who "knew" Flash and know Rhye when his name never appeared at any 9/11 memorials. It was weird, we or I thought, that he was never shown, but it could happen. Right?

So now we know... No, those doubts were correct after all. For those of us that had them.

But at the time, Flash was a "friend" of ours, and so was Rhye. Of course friends of them both are going to defend her/him! Why should anyone doubt her, or his existance, when it seriously did all seem so real? We should not all be labelled losers. Not for believing in a story that was, let's face it, fabricated too well and too tightly to be questioned... until now.

I do not understand why she did it... It's saddening for me to think it was all lies... And on the back of such a horrific tragedy too... I won't get past that.

Defenders of Rhye are guilty of nothing more than being good and trusting friends...

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[info]fallofrain
2003-09-16 02:59 pm UTC (link)
You're right, and I apologize for my snarky commentary. There's only one thing I have to say, however, and that is... when it's getting that thick, perhaps it's better to turn on critical thinking skills than blindly follow someone. But, I get the feeling that if I'd been in your shoes, I'd probably have done the same. Emotions tend to throw logic out the window, ne?

I honestly and truly am sorry that you and friends of this girl had to find this out the hard way. And, I hope you find a way to resolve it in a way that hurts as few people as possible. Good luck.

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(no subject) - [info]dragonsfaith, 2003-09-16 03:08 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]fallofrain, 2003-09-16 03:14 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]daenarys, 2003-09-16 03:38 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]fallofrain, 2003-09-16 03:42 pm UTC
... - (Anonymous), 2003-09-16 03:48 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]dragonsfaith, 2003-09-17 11:28 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]fallofrain, 2003-09-17 01:34 pm UTC

[info]daenarys
2003-09-16 03:11 pm UTC (link)
Can I ask that people give the time for the word to get around to all of the 'friends' on Flash's journal before have the screaming 'I told you so' party?

Just please be aware that we had no reason to question his identity or existence, or Rhye. Defending what we believe to be the case, isn't a crime, the crime is when we find evidence and choose to ignore it. We were played for fools, no matter... just you, me and everyone else on LJ.

So people, just chill out for a while and be aware that some of us were actually discussing the 'new' evidence before it was posted and we changed our minds then.

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