Brad Fitzpatrick ([info]bradfitz) wrote in [info]lj_ru_support,
@ 2006-10-24 09:24:00
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SUP confusion, apologies...
(posting this in English for now.... I'll find a neutral party to translate it into Russian as soon as possible.)

I just wanted to apologize about the confusion regarding SUP and LJ. In my opinion, the press conference about SUP was pretty useless as far as you guys, the users, were concerned. I was hoping all the questions would be answered and fears would be eliminated, but instead the press conference seemed to just create more questions, and more fears.

Want I want to do over the next few weeks is answer all of the Russian community's questions and fears. I've heard a bunch of them in person when I was in Moscow, and via email, and via word-of-mouth. I'll work on getting answers to all of them.

Rest assured that the only thing happening anytime soon is that we'll be serving static files (css, javascript, userpics) from Moscow if you're closer to Moscow than San Francisco. No user data, no users, no password, NOTHING PRIVATE, is being given to SUP to do this.... we're just taking public data (userpics and static files) and putting it about 30 milliseconds away from you, instead of 260 milliseconds. Which means a page with a few dozen resources will load many seconds faster for you. (when I was using LJ from Moscow, it was so much slower than from the US .... this will make it so much better)

Also, note that if you start to see URLs for userpics and js/css from "stat.ru.livejournal.com" or "userpics.sup.ru", etc, that does NOT mean you've been "moved" anywhere.... all users will see those URLs if you're closer to Moscow than San Francisco. That is, if an American user travels to Moscow, like I did, I'll get all my userpics from Moscow instead of San Francisco. This is just something SUP's doing for us to make LiveJournal faster in Russia/etc. It's no different from us using Akamai, for instance, but it's a lot cheaper.

Please have patience with me, Six Apart, and SUP while I work on getting you guys real information. I feel confident that everybody involved in this deal has the best of intentions, the same fears as you guys, and all the new stuff will only be a good thing for Russian users ....

More later.



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[info]s2c_stgermain
2006-10-24 04:29 pm UTC (link)
So, posting from France, I will be linked to Moscow? Is that correct?

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[info]bradfitz
2006-10-24 06:02 pm UTC (link)
No, that is NOT correct. That's what I tried to address in my post. There are two issues here:

1) whether a journal is marked "SUP or not" (which is way in the future, and users will have a choice),
2) and whether public images and files are served from Moscow for speed.

And all we're doing soon here is (2): serving public images from Moscow for speed. Even my journal, based in the US, and all in English, will have its userpics come from Moscow if the user reading my journal is in Moscow. That way it'll load faster.

But when (1) happens, it just basically means your LJ account will also let you log into extra SUP services, like ljplus.ru is now. Things like image hosting, etc. Your content isn't being sold, etc.

I can explain the differences more later.

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[info]commist
2006-10-24 04:37 pm UTC (link)
> we'll be serving static files (css, javascript, userpics) from Moscow

If so, how would I actually avoid this to happen with my LJ? Thanks.

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[info]err0r_404
2006-10-24 04:43 pm UTC (link)
10x for the best of intentions but nevertheless

what 'bout russian AT? whether yes or no? if "yes" then who's gonna form the team and who're the "challengers"?

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[info]steissd
2006-10-24 04:53 pm UTC (link)
It is all OK. The problem is that some group of Russian-speaking users of LJ is concerned by the rumor that Mr. Nossik is supposed to be be in charge of the Russian-language Abuse Team. This will affect their ability to spread racist and Anti-Semitic propaganda (as far as I understand this is prohibited by ToS, but no one enforces this prohibition, since the US-based AT lacks knowledge of Russian). These users spread rumors about possible actions by Mr. Nossik ([info]dolboeb) that might have affected privacy of the regular law-abiding users and caused panic among the latter. Abuse of LJ services by some Russian-speaking virulent racists and Neo-Nazis poses another serious problem, but it has nothing to do with introduction of the SUP services.

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[info]dimrub
2006-10-24 06:15 pm UTC (link)
Many people, that can no sooner be called racist than, say, Mother Teresa, have concerns about SUP activities that have nothing to do with Mr. Nossik's identity or even his outrageous remarks in his personal blog. I wonder whether you are saying what you are saying out of ignorance or out of malice.

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[info]dront
2006-10-24 05:05 pm UTC (link)
Okay. Single problem for many users this mister [info]dolboeb :)

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[info]aleck
2006-10-24 05:25 pm UTC (link)
I got other problems as well :-) I know bunch of other people too.
Don't give a damn if it is Nossik or whoever else, the thing is we might not even know that at all. I am concerned about info security here a lot more (of which Nossik is one problem)

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[info]courteouselk
2006-10-24 05:13 pm UTC (link)
I am afraid no party would be considered as a truly neutral by the totalities of either of parties involved.

I bet any of those would be just plain capable to do the translation by themselves and for themselves.

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[info]ex_golovlev111
2006-10-24 05:18 pm UTC (link)
Понял половину...
Переведите кто-нибудь вкратце?

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[info]commist
2006-10-24 05:21 pm UTC (link)
Вкратце:
"Статические файлы LJ переедут на московские сервера для тех, кто ближе к Москве. На все вопросы ответим. Всё будет хорошо."

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[info]aleck
2006-10-24 05:21 pm UTC (link)
Is it possible to opt out of this feature?
I do not care if it is 30 or 200 milliseconds, I just do not want any of my files (pictures included)
being located outside the US. I can survive extra 200 ms for that.

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[info]orleanz
2006-10-24 05:32 pm UTC (link)
Brad, the whole mess is not about technical stuff.

Many Russian LJ users are pissed off because SUP is owned by Mr.Mamut who is widely known in Russia to be a security services/Kremlin man. They don't trust Kremlin, they dont trus't Mamut, that's why they dont trust SUP.

Just imagine: what a humiliation - to be US citizen and be "sold" to Kremlin man Mamut simply because you happened to write cyrillic posts in LJ in the past...

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i have never heard
[info]zasursky
2006-10-24 07:27 pm UTC (link)
Of any ties of Mamut and Kremlin, although i read most Russian dailies for last 15 years. There is an idea that a businessman of his stature must have this sort of connection, but i would not work for him if this was true, and no one from Kremlin would EVER invite Anton to work for him

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[info]aleck
2006-10-24 05:32 pm UTC (link)
Another question - I wonder if there is ANY benefit of transferring the LJ of people who write cyrillyc but live in the US or EU (probably majority of Russian LJ users)?
That is - you gonna bring the pics to Russia and how would it improve speed if I am in the US? I do not see the point.

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[info]kit58
2006-10-24 06:36 pm UTC (link)
I think you've missed the point - he was trying to say that IF you have Moscow IP - you'll get the picture from Moscow server.

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[info]quappa
2006-10-24 05:51 pm UTC (link)
1) Will SUP-LJ have its own code branch?
2) If yes, will SixApart (and you) demand that it be open source?
3) Will SUP changes to LJ codebase be backported to baseline?

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[info]bearshitsky
2006-10-24 06:00 pm UTC (link)
How much do you actually know about SUP: owners, business model, motives in acquiring the rights to Cyrilic LJ, etc.? Do you believe users should be given full information about all this to avoid further confusion? What's your impression -- do these guys know what exactly they want to do and why?

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[info]poruchik_sr
2006-10-24 06:01 pm UTC (link)
It is very interesting assumption – if I am righting in Cyrillic, than I am closer to Moscow.
By my calculation about 300.000 users who are using Cyrillic lives in USA.

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[info]kit58
2006-10-24 06:40 pm UTC (link)
we'll be serving static files (css, javascript, userpics) from Moscow if you're closer to Moscow than San Francisco

This suggests that they will use IP not the cyrillic check.

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[info]mihajlo
2006-10-24 06:10 pm UTC (link)
превед!

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[info]itstep
2006-10-24 06:41 pm UTC (link)
превеееед!!!

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[info]juliy
2006-10-24 06:21 pm UTC (link)
please, add me to your LJ-friends list

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[info]itstep
2006-10-24 06:54 pm UTC (link)
=)))

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[info]ex_foolingfr567
2006-10-24 06:42 pm UTC (link)
That's all nonsence and bullshit, nobody exept few dumb memzers ever cares about SUP and this transfer.

Better tell us how'd you liked Moscow?

Did you learn something some powerful discourses which were born inside Russian LJ Segment such as "boyevie mandavoshki", "moya bor'ba" "you'll die before winter" and "Hail Robots, Kill All Humans"?

They're awesome, aren't they?

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[info]mr_ragamuffin
2006-10-25 08:19 am UTC (link)
LOL!

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[info]ex_foolingfr567
2006-10-24 06:47 pm UTC (link)
Damn, Nossik is a dumb fuck, a [info]dolboeb indeed.

Somebody, please turn off S2 in this community's comments.
I hate this freakin' S2 and want it to be destoyed with its authors.

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[info]ex_foolingfr567
2006-10-24 06:50 pm UTC (link)
FUCK.
An that community's a sponsored account! Jesus!

ISN'T IT *DUMB*?

Brad.
You have the damned admin rights in LJ, you can bless and curse with your might.

Do smth!
Make this acc a permanent one or else. Do something!

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[info]keisinger
2006-10-24 07:01 pm UTC (link)
Dear Brad, I am living in Germany, but my journal is in Russian, at least the biggest part of it is.
Still, I do not wish to get any help from SUP. Is that possible for me to not have anything to do with them?

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[info]itstep
2006-10-24 07:09 pm UTC (link)
ДА ДА ДА!!!!!!!!!
уже миллион раз спросили и ответили =)
ну и первый тред смотрите, там как раз об этом.

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FAQ in Russian
[info]zasursky
2006-10-24 07:23 pm UTC (link)
see next post please ;)

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[info]vassisusaliy
2006-10-25 09:04 pm UTC (link)
ты теперь как берия: нет тебе доверия

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[info]physchem
2006-10-24 07:25 pm UTC (link)
You are basically saying that all deal about SUP providing some service for Live Journal. Meanwhile, Live Journal is not paying for this service, but on a contrary SUP is paying to Live Journal for a license. No doubt, that SUP would like to return its investments with a profit. This inevitably means that it will propose either some service for money or insert advertising at our blog pages. Obviously, this is more than that service you were talking about. So, we came to inconsistency - would you, please, resolve it.

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