theljstaff ([info]theljstaff) wrote in [info]lj_policy,
@ 2008-05-30 09:58:00
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Back in March, we gave a starting point for developing a set of reasonable policy guidelines, and committed ourselves to post a set of policies based on your feedback by the end of May. We've reviewed your comments, consulted with the current members of the Advisory Board, and have made some changes based on this feedback.

You can view the entire policy document at http://www.livejournal.com/abuse/policy.bml; for those interested, you can review the policies which were proposed in March here.

We also want to highlight the key changes we have made to our policies:

* Our Adult Content policy has been changed to emphasize that content which is flagged as containing explicit adult content does not mean it is in violation of our Terms of Service, and will not result in other actions being taken against users who post it. The process for reporting adult content has also changed so that the system only handles reports of adult content; reports of violations of our policies should be reported as outlined here.

We have also stated within the policy that non-graphic, non-sexualized nudity is not considered explicit adult content. This includes things such as an image of a mother breastfeeding their child, or a non-sexualized work of art such as the Statue of David. We have also extended this to our policy on default userpics; non-graphic, non-sexualized nudity is no longer considered a violation of our default userpic policy.

* We have removed the Bandwidth Theft policy; we feel that it is not LiveJournal's role to intervene in such situations, and that the issue should be resolved through controls on the site which the content resides.

* With Hate Speech, we've decided to expand this slightly so that it also applies to content which advocates the violence/harm of others. We feel that such expression goes beyond being merely offensive, and in practice leads to the harm of others, which we do not condone in any way. We have also included a statement that this policy does not apply to statements which are satire or hyperbole; this has also been clarified in our Self Harm and Threatening Content policies.

* Our policy on Non-Photographic Images of Minors is being removed. What this means is that we will no longer be requiring the removal of this content, or suspending people who have posted it. We feel that with the introduction of the adult content flagging system, we do not need to take any further action on this type of material.

* Discussion of self harm, particularly pro-eating disorder communities, have presented us with many difficult decisions. Many people feel passionately about how we should act in regards to such communities, and while we have made no changes to this policy, this is only because we feel the issue requires further research. We intend to meet with several special interest groups relevant to the subject who can help us determine which types of content are likely to lead to harm for people suffering from a disorder so that we can make informed decisions when we approach this policy.

While there are other minor changes present within the document, these are the ones we felt were very significant and worth bringing to your attention.

These will be the acting policies for LiveJournal, and are effective immediately. This is not, however, a process which is completed; we feel that policy is an important issue which requires continuous review, and should adapt over time as the needs of LiveJournal as both a community and a business change.

We welcome your thoughts on these policies, are looking forward to hearing the opinions of the newly elected members of the Advisory Board; we're sure that policy will remain a key issue for discussion when they convene.



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[info]hungerbound
2008-05-30 02:07 pm UTC (link)
* Our policy on Non-Photographic Images of Minors is being removed. What this means is that we will no longer be requiring the removal of this content, or suspending people who have posted it. We feel that with the introduction of the adult content flagging system, we do not need to take any further action on this type of material.

Colour me surprised


(sorry there was more and I hit something funny)

* Discussion of self harm, particularly pro-eating disorder communities, have presented us with many difficult decisions. Many people feel passionately about how we should act in regards to such communities, and while we have made no changes to this policy, this is only because we feel the issue requires further research. We intend to meet with several special interest groups relevant to the subject who can help us determine which types of content are likely to lead to harm for people suffering from a disorder so that we can make informed decisions when we approach this policy.

Thank you for not making any trigger happy responses to this - and, if someone could clarify - what sort of special interest groups are you looking at?

Edited at 2008-05-30 02:10 pm UTC

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[info]xaoswolf
2008-05-30 03:10 pm UTC (link)
Colour me surprised

well, maybe the advisory board does have some power...

Yay for non-photographic images of childrape!

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[info]lastrega
2008-05-30 02:07 pm UTC (link)
Wow, actual clarity. Well done!

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[info]steve_savicki
2008-05-30 04:26 pm UTC (link)
So are these changes for better or for worse?

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[info]montuos
2008-05-30 02:08 pm UTC (link)
Thank you for posting not merely the policy changes themselves, but your reasoning behind those changes.

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[info]apapazukamori
2008-05-30 02:13 pm UTC (link)
Seconded.

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[info]comeoutcomeout
2008-05-30 02:10 pm UTC (link)
Very good, LJ :) Thank-you and well done. I am in several cases both surprised and pleased.

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[info]donutgirl
2008-05-30 02:10 pm UTC (link)
what about banning searches for supposedly objectionable topics like depression, fags, etc? Is that still non-negotiable policy?

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[info]hungerbound
2008-05-30 02:15 pm UTC (link)
Depression is not a banned search; it was removed from the top LJ interests but it was never banned (as are pejorative terms).

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[info]mechers
2008-05-30 02:12 pm UTC (link)
So is sex/gender identity protected under hate speech yet?

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[info]dyinshadows
2008-05-30 02:38 pm UTC (link)
Try reading the policy. Everyone's protected under hate speech :)

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[info]doire
2008-05-30 02:13 pm UTC (link)
That summary looks hopeful and I feel cheered. I hope it last through reading the whole thing.

ETA: Still cheered!

Edited at 2008-06-01 01:57 pm UTC

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[info]daemonnoire
2008-05-30 02:14 pm UTC (link)
With Hate Speech, we've decided to expand this slightly so that it also applies to content which advocates the violence/harm of others.

Does this mean that someone will be closing down all of the communities whose specific function is advocating the rape of other LJ users? Or are these considered "satire or hyperbole"?

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[info]thevelvetsun
2008-05-30 02:22 pm UTC (link)
I'd like an answer to this as well.

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[info]ladycat777
2008-05-30 02:15 pm UTC (link)
Thank you. These policies seem reasonable, well thought out, and I feel much, much better about a lot of the decisions.

Will the issue of controversial/objectionable search terms be addressed?

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[info]frumiousb
2008-05-31 10:34 am UTC (link)
Yes, I'd like to see an answer to the search terms questions too. The user base isn't going to forget about that issue.

On the other hand, I also second the thank you and the well done.

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[info]mpoetess
2008-05-30 02:16 pm UTC (link)
I am impressed by these changes, and the clarity with which you have laid out your reasoning. (Even in the Hate Speech category, which had me worried until I read the actual policy, which seems quite sane and not over-reaching.) Well done.

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[info]kathrynrose
2008-05-30 02:16 pm UTC (link)
So far so good. I'm particularly happy to see the ruling about breastfeeding.

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[info]moonshineray
2008-05-31 04:01 am UTC (link)
Agreed.

About time! :-D

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[info]hasimir
2008-05-30 02:16 pm UTC (link)
Well, pending a more thorough examination of the new policy document, that all sounds fairly reasonable. Thanks for the work and update.

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[info]sanssommeil
2008-05-30 02:19 pm UTC (link)
In before ah. Something. :)

Edited at 2008-05-31 03:49 pm UTC

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[info]weyrlady
2008-05-30 02:19 pm UTC (link)
This all sounds good. I see references to several previous issues included in the reasons behind the changes- that's awesome! Go you guys for listening to the user base. I'm really happy with these changes. Good work!

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[info]thevelvetsun
2008-05-30 02:21 pm UTC (link)
Communication! Wow, you guys are starting to learn.

I'm glad breastfeeding icons are no longer banned, and I'm glad you've clarified that NO ONE will EVER be banned EVER AGAIN for non-photographic sexuality (ie drawings and fiction).

I'm also glad you're looking into the eating disorder issue, and I hope you'll come to the conclusion that [info]proanorexia and others like it are a blight on the livejournal community and help facilitate girls into a sad and endless spiral that leads to death.

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[info]curly
2008-05-30 02:30 pm UTC (link)
I hope you'll come to the conclusion that [info]proanorexia and others like it are a blight on the livejournal community and help facilitate girls into a sad and endless spiral that leads to death.

agreed 100%.

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[info]k425
2008-05-30 02:21 pm UTC (link)
Adult Content Policy. Well, at last.

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[info]aithyne
2008-05-30 03:36 pm UTC (link)
=)

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[info]gmth
2008-05-30 02:21 pm UTC (link)
Wow, there are some real suprises here. And for once, they are pleasant ones. Way to go for a change, LJ.

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[info]tinylegacies
2008-05-30 02:22 pm UTC (link)
Thank you for clear, concise explanations of what changes were made and why.

I'm particularly glad to see that you are taking the existence of self harm communities seriously and I look forward to seeing what decisions you make after further research.

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[info]ladyhelen
2008-05-30 02:23 pm UTC (link)
I'm impressed. Well done and thank you.

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[info]bethbethbeth
2008-05-30 02:24 pm UTC (link)
So far, so good. Thank you for this.

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[info]flamingtoilet
2008-05-30 02:24 pm UTC (link)
I'm not sure how some of this has taken a year to figure out, but better late than never I guess.

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[info]rileysaplank
2008-05-30 10:19 pm UTC (link)
Some of it has taken two years.

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[info]schmuckythecat
2008-05-30 02:26 pm UTC (link)
Next up, update the private personal information policy to only be about private personal information.

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[info]angrychicken
2008-05-30 02:45 pm UTC (link)
Just curious, but what's your definition of private personal information?

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private personal information is obviously not public records - [info]schmuckythecat, 2008-05-30 03:01 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: private personal information is obviously not public records - [info]markf, 2008-05-30 03:43 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: private personal information is obviously not public records - [info]kyrielle, 2008-05-30 04:07 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: private personal information is obviously not public records - [info]schmuckythecat, 2008-05-30 04:19 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: private personal information is obviously not public records - [info]realcdaae, 2008-05-30 05:29 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: private personal information is obviously not public records - [info]julieannie, 2008-05-31 03:56 am UTC (Expand)
Re: private personal information is obviously not public records - [info]schmuckythecat, 2008-05-31 04:02 am UTC (Expand)
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Re: private personal information is obviously not public records - [info]realcdaae, 2008-05-30 05:09 pm UTC (Expand)
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Re: private personal information is obviously not public records - [info]realcdaae, 2008-05-31 09:51 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: private personal information is obviously not public records - [info]icelightning, 2008-05-31 02:02 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: private personal information is obviously not public records - [info]7rin, 2008-06-02 10:36 am UTC (Expand)
Re: private personal information is obviously not public records - [info]davidkevin, 2008-11-16 04:13 am UTC (Expand)

[info]temaris
2008-05-30 02:26 pm UTC (link)
Well, I'm pretty amazed. Clarity, explanations and actual reversal of previous policies. That actually sounds rational and hopeful for the future of the site. More do to, sure, but what is here looks like a good start.

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[info]drowsyfantasy
2008-05-30 02:29 pm UTC (link)
A step in the right direction. Easy to read, easy to understand, and reasoning behind decisions.

Well done. Continue on this path.

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[info]ceilidh
2008-05-30 02:29 pm UTC (link)
We have also stated within the policy that non-graphic, non-sexualized nudity is not considered explicit adult content. This includes things such as an image of a mother breastfeeding their child, or a non-sexualized work of art such as the Statue of David.

Thank you. This is a good common sense decision and I'm glad to finally see it made official policy.

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[info]blosmtx
2008-05-30 05:08 pm UTC (link)
yeah. it was a good common sense decision 2 years ago too. What stopped them then other than not wanting to give into a percieved temper tantrum by it's user base.
Thank you, LJ, for treating your users like 3 year olds.

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