Abe Hassan ([info]burr86) wrote in [info]lj_biz,
@ 2006-10-02 16:33:00
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we're listening!
I know we haven't gotten a chance to answer all the concerns you raised in comments to the previous posts in this community, but I'm just posting to say: we're reading your comments, we're listening to what you have to say, and we're changing things based on your feedback.

The entire LJ team met this morning to discuss this, and I'm personally very happy with the results. We think you will be too, but we'll let you decide when we post those announcements over the next few hours and days.

Keep an eye out, and I'm sorry we kept you hanging this weekend.


And, yes, for the record, we unanimously agreed not to post any radical announcements on a Friday night. :)

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[info]sofiaviolet
2006-10-02 09:34 pm UTC (link)
First?

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[info]sofiaviolet
2006-10-02 09:35 pm UTC (link)
More seriously, though, thanks for holding a meeting. I'm still reserving judgment (and the possiblility of a return of my automatic payments and gifts for family and friends using LJ) until these announcements are made.

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No. Try again. - [info]kali921, 2006-10-02 10:36 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: No. Try again. - [info]burr86, 2006-10-02 10:37 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: No. Try again. - [info]kali921, 2006-10-03 12:16 am UTC (Expand)
Re: No. Try again. - [info]burr86, 2006-10-03 12:22 am UTC (Expand)
Re: No. Try again. - [info]kali921, 2006-10-03 12:24 am UTC (Expand)
Re: No. Try again. - [info]ciaran_h, 2006-10-03 08:41 am UTC (Expand)
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[info]spug
2006-10-02 09:38 pm UTC (link)
:)

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[info]obvious
2006-10-02 09:39 pm UTC (link)
This had better be good.

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[info]gwenlister
2006-10-02 09:39 pm UTC (link)
I'm personally very happy with the results. We think you will be too

Well, you'll excuse me if I'm still worried. I'm sure you thought that we were going to be happy with the sponsored communities in the first place.... Sorry, but you guys lost a lot of faith in your judgement. Its going to take a while to earn it back.

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[info]aintshefancy
2006-10-02 09:43 pm UTC (link)
I'm still worried, but it's good to hear that LJ is listening to it's user base still (so it seems) and not to the $$$ the corperations have.

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[info]lexin
2006-10-03 08:57 am UTC (link)
I love your icon...permission to gack?

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[info]delicatemaps
2006-10-02 09:43 pm UTC (link)
I appreciate that you are listening to your users, but I am reserving my judgment for now until I find out more. This whole issue of sponsorship has put me very on edge about the future of livejournal, and I think you are going to have to work hard to regain the trust of your userbase. 'Sponsorship' (read: advertisements) raises a lot of secuirty and other issues for the users of this site, and it is somewhat short-sighted not to have anticipated the uproar this would cause. I really hope you do the right thing and act according to what the users of the site want, but I know that this is also a business, and as such, we should all probably expect to see a rise in corporate activity. I am strongly against the proposed 'sponsored communities', but what I have to say is nothing new. As you can see, thousands of users disagree with this move.

Glad to hear you're listening though, and thank you for informing us. I hope that the changes will be pleasing.

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Other issues haven't raised much of an uproar
[info]foxfirefey
2006-10-02 09:51 pm UTC (link)
Well, there wasn't an uproar when the privacy policy got changed to allow third party tracking cookies. (Oh yays, Doubleclick cookies! JUST WHAT WE ALWAYS WANTED!) There really wasn't all that much of an uproar when one of the ads managed to get malware through LJ's security measures. And this has been the first uproar to really happen since Sponsored communities were first introduced way back on September 6th. More uproar happened over the NavStrip stuff.

There was some uproar with the news about adding the Plus level, but it's been drowned out by the "hundreds and hundreds of thousands" of people who are now Plus users.

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Re: Other issues haven't raised much of an uproar - [info]grrliz, 2006-10-02 09:56 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Other issues haven't raised much of an uproar - [info]delicatemaps, 2006-10-02 10:02 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Other issues haven't raised much of an uproar - [info]foxfirefey, 2006-10-02 10:04 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Other issues haven't raised much of an uproar - [info]ryuutchi, 2006-10-02 11:20 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Other issues haven't raised much of an uproar - [info]delicatemaps, 2006-10-02 09:58 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Other issues haven't raised much of an uproar - [info]kali921, 2006-10-02 10:00 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Other issues haven't raised much of an uproar - [info]aintshefancy, 2006-10-02 10:27 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Other issues haven't raised much of an uproar - [info]foxfirefey, 2006-10-02 10:31 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Other issues haven't raised much of an uproar - [info]kali921, 2006-10-02 10:33 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Other issues haven't raised much of an uproar - [info]matttt, 2006-10-02 11:39 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Other issues haven't raised much of an uproar - [info]kali921, 2006-10-03 12:13 am UTC (Expand)
Re: Other issues haven't raised much of an uproar - [info]matttt, 2006-10-03 12:26 am UTC (Expand)
Re: Other issues haven't raised much of an uproar - [info]eleventh_guard, 2006-10-03 04:31 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Other issues haven't raised much of an uproar - [info]dzurlady, 2006-10-03 03:17 am UTC (Expand)
Re: Other issues haven't raised much of an uproar - [info]anax, 2006-10-02 10:15 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Other issues haven't raised much of an uproar - [info]kali921, 2006-10-02 10:34 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Other issues haven't raised much of an uproar - [info]anax, 2006-10-02 10:53 pm UTC (Expand)
!!!! - [info]kali921, 2006-10-02 11:03 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: !!!! - [info]anax, 2006-10-02 11:07 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: !!!! - [info]kali921, 2006-10-02 11:08 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: !!!! - [info]anax, 2006-10-02 11:11 pm UTC (Expand)
Here's why. - [info]kali921, 2006-10-02 11:21 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Here's why. - [info]anax, 2006-10-02 11:28 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Here's why. - [info]eleventh_guard, 2006-10-03 04:33 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: !!!! - [info]lucy_u2, 2006-10-02 11:52 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: !!!! - [info]kali921, 2006-10-02 11:58 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: !!!! - [info]lucy_u2, 2006-10-02 11:51 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: !!!! - [info]polyfrog, 2006-10-02 11:56 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: !!!! - [info]jewelianna, 2006-10-02 11:59 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: !!!! - [info]anax, 2006-10-02 11:59 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: !!!! - [info]polyfrog, 2006-10-03 12:05 am UTC (Expand)
Re: !!!! - [info]lucy_u2, 2006-10-03 12:13 am UTC (Expand)
Re: !!!! - [info]lucy_u2, 2006-10-03 12:17 am UTC (Expand)
Re: !!!! - [info]anax, 2006-10-03 01:50 am UTC (Expand)
... - [info]lucy_u2, 2006-10-03 01:57 am UTC (Expand)
... - [info]anax, 2006-10-03 02:02 am UTC (Expand)
Re: !!!! - [info]anax, 2006-10-03 12:01 am UTC (Expand)
Re: !!!! - [info]pinkpolarity, 2006-10-03 05:34 am UTC (Expand)
Re: !!!! - [info]peiyu, 2006-10-03 04:33 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: !!!! - [info]sarcasticval, 2008-12-08 04:13 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Other issues haven't raised much of an uproar - [info]pinkpolarity, 2006-10-03 05:23 am UTC (Expand)
Re: Other issues haven't raised much of an uproar - [info]foxfirefey, 2006-10-02 10:23 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Other issues haven't raised much of an uproar - [info]curiouswombat, 2006-10-20 12:08 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Other issues haven't raised much of an uproar - [info]curiouswombat, 2006-10-20 12:11 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Other issues haven't raised much of an uproar - [info]foxfirefey, 2006-10-20 05:54 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Other issues haven't raised much of an uproar - [info]curiouswombat, 2006-10-20 06:22 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Other issues haven't raised much of an uproar - [info]sofiaviolet, 2006-10-20 07:31 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Other issues haven't raised much of an uproar - [info]foxfirefey, 2006-10-20 07:36 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Other issues haven't raised much of an uproar - [info]curiouswombat, 2006-11-14 10:01 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Other issues haven't raised much of an uproar - [info]foxfirefey, 2006-11-14 10:06 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Other issues haven't raised much of an uproar - [info]curiouswombat, 2006-11-14 10:46 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Other issues haven't raised much of an uproar - [info]foxfirefey, 2006-11-14 10:50 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Other issues haven't raised much of an uproar - [info]curiouswombat, 2006-11-14 11:09 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Other issues haven't raised much of an uproar - [info]c0c0c0, 2006-10-03 12:38 am UTC (Expand)
Re: Other issues haven't raised much of an uproar - [info]kali921, 2006-10-02 09:58 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Other issues haven't raised much of an uproar - [info]delicatemaps, 2006-10-02 10:05 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Other issues haven't raised much of an uproar - [info]curiouswombat, 2006-10-20 12:12 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Other issues haven't raised much of an uproar - [info]foxfirefey, 2006-10-02 10:06 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Other issues haven't raised much of an uproar - [info]kali921, 2006-10-02 10:39 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Other issues haven't raised much of an uproar - [info]foxfirefey, 2006-10-02 10:46 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Other issues haven't raised much of an uproar - [info]pbristow, 2006-10-02 10:44 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Other issues haven't raised much of an uproar - [info]foxfirefey, 2006-10-02 11:00 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Other issues haven't raised much of an uproar - [info]peiyu, 2006-10-03 04:37 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Other issues haven't raised much of an uproar - [info]blktauna, 2006-10-02 11:35 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Other issues haven't raised much of an uproar - [info]foxfirefey, 2006-10-02 11:42 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Other issues haven't raised much of an uproar - [info]blktauna, 2006-10-03 12:09 am UTC (Expand)
Re: Other issues haven't raised much of an uproar - [info]foxfirefey, 2006-10-02 11:43 pm UTC (Expand)
Should probably add - [info]foxfirefey, 2006-10-02 11:46 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Should probably add - [info]eleventh_guard, 2006-10-03 04:39 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Should probably add - [info]foxfirefey, 2006-10-03 04:55 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Other issues haven't raised much of an uproar - [info]stewardess, 2006-10-02 10:01 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Other issues haven't raised much of an uproar - [info]kali921, 2006-10-02 10:05 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Other issues haven't raised much of an uproar - [info]foxfirefey, 2006-10-02 10:09 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Other issues haven't raised much of an uproar - [info]elfgirl, 2006-10-02 10:15 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Other issues haven't raised much of an uproar - [info]delicatemaps, 2006-10-02 10:20 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Other issues haven't raised much of an uproar - [info]foxfirefey, 2006-10-02 10:27 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Other issues haven't raised much of an uproar - [info]pbristow, 2006-10-02 10:53 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Other issues haven't raised much of an uproar - [info]pbristow, 2006-10-02 10:54 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Other issues haven't raised much of an uproar - [info]foxfirefey, 2006-10-02 11:04 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Other issues haven't raised much of an uproar - [info]kali921, 2006-10-02 11:05 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Other issues haven't raised much of an uproar - [info]curiouswombat, 2006-10-20 12:14 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Other issues haven't raised much of an uproar - [info]sisterelwood, 2006-10-02 10:17 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Other issues haven't raised much of an uproar - [info]foxfirefey, 2006-10-02 10:28 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Other issues haven't raised much of an uproar - [info]sisterelwood, 2006-10-02 10:31 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Other issues haven't raised much of an uproar - [info]foxfirefey, 2006-10-02 10:35 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Other issues haven't raised much of an uproar - [info]sisterelwood, 2006-10-02 10:41 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Other issues haven't raised much of an uproar - [info]foxfirefey, 2006-10-02 10:50 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Other issues haven't raised much of an uproar - [info]sisterelwood, 2006-10-02 10:55 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Other issues haven't raised much of an uproar - [info]aeriedraconia, 2006-10-02 10:42 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Other issues haven't raised much of an uproar - [info]sisterelwood, 2006-10-02 10:45 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Other issues haven't raised much of an uproar - [info]kiaforrest, 2006-10-03 01:01 am UTC (Expand)
Re: Other issues haven't raised much of an uproar - [info]veracity, 2006-10-02 10:34 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Other issues haven't raised much of an uproar - [info]foxfirefey, 2006-10-02 10:39 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Other issues haven't raised much of an uproar - [info]veracity, 2006-10-02 10:55 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Other issues haven't raised much of an uproar - [info]foxfirefey, 2006-10-02 11:12 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Other issues haven't raised much of an uproar - [info]veracity, 2006-10-02 11:28 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Other issues haven't raised much of an uproar - [info]pbristow, 2006-10-02 11:07 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Other issues haven't raised much of an uproar - [info]foxfirefey, 2006-10-02 11:29 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Other issues haven't raised much of an uproar - [info]matgb, 2006-10-03 12:53 am UTC (Expand)
Re: Other issues haven't raised much of an uproar - [info]curiouswombat, 2006-10-20 12:15 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Other issues haven't raised much of an uproar - [info]blktauna, 2006-10-02 11:23 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Other issues haven't raised much of an uproar - [info]foxfirefey, 2006-10-02 11:48 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Other issues haven't raised much of an uproar - [info]blktauna, 2006-10-03 12:19 am UTC (Expand)
Re: Other issues haven't raised much of an uproar - [info]irreparable, 2006-10-03 09:27 am UTC (Expand)
New Accounts are automatically Plus - [info]curiouswombat, 2006-10-20 12:19 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: New Accounts are automatically Plus - [info]irreparable, 2006-10-21 08:19 am UTC (Expand)

[info]delleve
2006-10-02 09:48 pm UTC (link)
I'm still worried, but it's good to know that you all actually care about your customers. I'll reserve judgement until I read the conclusion of the meeting and hopefully I'll like what I read.

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[info]grrliz
2006-10-02 09:48 pm UTC (link)
Glad you guys are sorting things out and I'm even more glad you posted this in the interim to tide people over until the other announcements get made. :)

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[info]burr86
2006-10-02 09:50 pm UTC (link)
I love that icon. So much.

Just sayin'. ;)

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(no subject) - [info]gameboyguy13, 2006-10-02 10:12 pm UTC (Expand)
Inur's law - [info]foxfirefey, 2006-10-02 10:56 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Inur's law - [info]gameboyguy13, 2006-10-03 01:28 am UTC (Expand)
Re: Inur's law - [info]foxfirefey, 2006-10-03 01:59 am UTC (Expand)
Re: Inur's law - [info]gameboyguy13, 2006-10-03 02:01 am UTC (Expand)
Re: Inur's law - [info]foxfirefey, 2006-10-03 02:02 am UTC (Expand)
Re: Inur's law - [info]gameboyguy13, 2006-10-03 02:05 am UTC (Expand)
Hahaha, I remember making that icon from a picture someone posted - [info]foxfirefey, 2006-10-03 02:07 am UTC (Expand)
I know; I got the userpic from you! (I think we discussed it in news comments or something.) - [info]gameboyguy13, 2006-10-03 02:45 am UTC (Expand)
Re: Inur's law - [info]kateshort, 2006-10-03 02:32 am UTC (Expand)
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[info]anax
2006-10-02 09:50 pm UTC (link)
I sure hope the new committee decisions are better-advised than the previous committee decisions.

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[info]ems
2006-10-02 09:52 pm UTC (link)
Yet again, [info]burr86 reminds me of why he's my absolute favourite member of lj staff. Which is probably fairly arbitrary when you look at this post (you just got to post the good news, I'm guessing ;)), but you always take the time out to respond to comments etc. I really feel like you're always pushing for us little people. Thank you. :)

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[info]grrliz
2006-10-02 09:57 pm UTC (link)
I agree completely with this comment, I don't think I've ever had a bad encounter with [info]burr86. :)

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(no subject) - [info]leora, 2006-10-03 02:14 am UTC (Expand)

[info]riotlounge
2006-10-02 09:55 pm UTC (link)
I have to say that this is a rather heartening post. As someone who thought the post on the deep early hours of the AM/PM was poor form and from a PR standpoint - shady at best, given the tone, I am glad you are rectifying this quickly and expediently.

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You really don't get it, do you?
[info]kali921
2006-10-02 09:57 pm UTC (link)
Well, at last count, a few thousand of us have the following questions:

1. Does LJ stand by its policy of not selling our private user data with third party companies, including any company that "sponsors" an LJ community?

2. Is LJ going to listen to its user base and NOT go ahead with this idiotic policy, since the reaction was so overwhelmingly negative? I mean, the over four thousand comments you've gotten in the last two posts on [info]lj_biz should show you that, right? Anyone? Hello?

3. If you go ahead with this stupidity, what controls are going to be put into place to prevent employees or agents of companies that "sponsor" LJ communities from contacting LJ users proactively? You know exactly what I mean, to, so please don't pretent you don't.

WE know that the way sponsored communities will raise their profile on LJ is to datamine the publically viewable user data of individual users and figure out a potential market segment. Connect the dots a little, and see where that gets you. That means that employees of said companies can create sock puppet journals and start inviting people to join their cool new comms. THAT'S UNSOLICITED CONTACT.

3. And what about recourse if a company misbehaves on LJ? Hmmm? What if a company defrauds LJ users? What recourse do we have? What's the policy, where are the procedures delineated?

I asked all of these questions to support personnel and GOT NO ANSWERS.

Didn't you guys THINK of any of this?

For those that are sick of LJ letting itself be astroturfed:



Twenty one pages of comments and counting!

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Re: You really don't get it, do you?
[info]burr86
2006-10-02 10:00 pm UTC (link)
We're going to answer all your questions in the next few posts to this community, like I said in the original announcement here. :)

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Re: You really don't get it, do you? - [info]kali921, 2006-10-02 10:07 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: You really don't get it, do you? - [info]gwenlister, 2006-10-02 10:20 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: You really don't get it, do you? - [info]kali921, 2006-10-02 10:38 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: You really don't get it, do you? - [info]component, 2006-10-02 11:28 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: You really don't get it, do you? - [info]bexone, 2006-10-02 11:01 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: You really don't get it, do you? - [info]kali921, 2006-10-02 11:07 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: You really don't get it, do you? - [info]pbristow, 2006-10-02 11:11 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: You really don't get it, do you? - [info]kali921, 2006-10-02 11:24 pm UTC (Expand)

[info]hlw
2006-10-02 09:57 pm UTC (link)
Don't sweat it.

Personally I'm happy with the bang I get for my buck, and recognize that implementing anything will result in someone being unhappy.

I actually got quite the kick out of some of the people running around screaming OMG ONOZ!!!

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inherent flaws in sponsored comms
[info]stewardess
2006-10-02 09:57 pm UTC (link)
I posted an analysis in my LJ if you care to read it.

http://stewardess-lotr.livejournal.com/203435.html

My theory is that sponsored comms, particularly those that overlap fandom, are doomed to failure.

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Re: inherent flaws in sponsored comms
[info]thies
2006-10-02 11:00 pm UTC (link)
nah, the fandom communities will simply be shut down due to DMCA violations :)

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Re: inherent flaws in sponsored comms - [info]blktauna, 2006-10-02 11:46 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: inherent flaws in sponsored comms - [info]stewardess, 2006-10-02 11:53 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: inherent flaws in sponsored comms - [info]stewardess, 2006-10-02 11:52 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: inherent flaws in sponsored comms - [info]thies, 2006-10-03 12:46 am UTC (Expand)
Re: inherent flaws in sponsored comms - [info]dzurlady, 2006-10-03 03:14 am UTC (Expand)
Re: inherent flaws in sponsored comms - [info]stewardess, 2006-10-03 03:49 am UTC (Expand)
Re: inherent flaws in sponsored comms - [info]dzurlady, 2006-10-03 04:05 am UTC (Expand)
UR IN MAH LJ MAKIN TEH NICE
[info]pheret1
2006-10-02 10:00 pm UTC (link)
You want cookies? Srsly. If you're not out in the boonies (er, far suburbs...), send me a message with where to drop them off and you will have cookies tomorrow.

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[info]maegwen
2006-10-02 10:04 pm UTC (link)
Thank you, I look forward to hearing more about these results.

I want to add, it has been pointed out to me that the original post did, in fact, suggest that the sponsored communities will have an icon of their own, and wish to apologize for participating in the avalanche of "YOU BETTER GIVE THEM A DIFFERENT ICON" posts.

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[info]sciencegeek
2006-10-02 10:07 pm UTC (link)
Are sponsored accounts seriously going to have that green community icon-thingie? Am I the only one that sees this as a problem for colourblind people? Specifically Red/Green colourblindness, which is the more prominant. To be honest, short of a "No sponsored communities on LJ" announcement I doubt that the irate mob will be placated. Also, how would the fandoms all over LJ be affected? Because if they are, I see a mass movement of people to another journal, or back to the mailing lists. Not a threat, just an observation, since people, oddly enough, like the fandom they are in as it is and do not want to be censored, or shut down.

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[info]elfgirl
2006-10-02 10:11 pm UTC (link)
I have a feeling JournalFen will grow by leaps and bounds if the sponsored community thing isn't sorted quickly.

I agree with the problematic nature of the icons as well. The icons need to be completely different, not simply different colors. Even if they were black/white rather than red/green, at the size they are they'd been difficult to differentiate depending on the resolution of your monitor.

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(no subject) - [info]trobadora, 2006-10-02 10:18 pm UTC (Expand)
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Re: Other issues haven't raised much of an uproar - [info]burr86, 2006-10-02 10:12 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Other issues haven't raised much of an uproar - [info]augustuscaesar, 2006-10-02 10:32 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Other issues haven't raised much of an uproar - [info]burr86, 2006-10-02 10:33 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Other issues haven't raised much of an uproar - [info]augustuscaesar, 2006-10-02 10:35 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Other issues haven't raised much of an uproar - [info]sisterelwood, 2006-10-02 10:37 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Other issues haven't raised much of an uproar - [info]sisterelwood, 2006-10-02 10:35 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Other issues haven't raised much of an uproar - [info]augustuscaesar, 2006-10-02 10:36 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Other issues haven't raised much of an uproar - [info]pbristow, 2006-10-02 11:17 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Other issues haven't raised much of an uproar - [info]trobadora, 2006-10-02 10:36 pm UTC (Expand)
And of the community symbol? - [info]sciencegeek, 2006-10-02 10:40 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Other issues haven't raised much of an uproar - [info]foxfirefey, 2006-10-02 11:23 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Other issues haven't raised much of an uproar - [info]sisterelwood, 2006-10-02 11:40 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Other issues haven't raised much of an uproar - [info]foxfirefey, 2006-10-02 11:59 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Other issues haven't raised much of an uproar - [info]burr86, 2006-10-03 10:32 pm UTC (Expand)
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[info]annotated_em
2006-10-02 10:08 pm UTC (link)
The entire LJ team met this morning to discuss this, and I'm personally very happy with the results. We think you will be too, but we'll let you decide when we post those announcements over the next few hours and days.

I'm not holding my breath.

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[info]sisterelwood
2006-10-02 10:09 pm UTC (link)
I appreciate that you've gone to the trouble of having a meeting. I, for one, do not have a problem with sponsored communities really but I just have concerns over where my personal info goes to and how this will play-out in terms of fan communities and such. I really appreciate that you are taking our concerns seriously. With the confusion I think a lot of users were feeling like no one was listening and that they had no recourse to use in order to weigh in on changes.

Change is something that has to happen or we will never grow or move forward. It is when people are given incomplete or confusing information regarding change that anger ensues. The efforts of 6A and LJ in response to the out-cry are encouraging but I, like many others, reserve final judgement on this until the results of said meeting are shared. LJ is a business and has to do certain things to survive- I get that and I do not begudge LJ this in anyway, shape, or form. All I want in this, though, is to not feel like I'm being talked down to or wonder if my personal information is being targeted or hoping I do not get in trouble because I participate in online fandoms through LJ (for which I make no money and just do as a hobby and to enjoy interacting with others).

Thank you 6A and LJ. I anixously await news of your meeting.

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[info]whitaker
2006-10-03 03:53 am UTC (link)
Thank you. We're definitely listening in case you weren't quite sure... : )

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[info]beckyzoole
2006-10-02 10:10 pm UTC (link)
The heart and soul of LJ are its paid, active users. Not the eleven million free accounts that are opened and never used -- the 100,000 or so people who pay their money and post on a regular basis.

We do this because LiveJournal is special to us. It is a community.

When corporations can call their websites "communities", well, that breaks LJ. It makes us distrust the whole community concept.

I hope LJ will get rid of ads. I hope they will listen to their paid, active users. I hope they will stop trying to attract emo kids who want Shiny Free Stuff.

If LJ needs more money to stay in business, then please, just ask us for more money. Eliminate the "sponsored" user level and charge $10 a year for a limited paid journal. Charge $60 for a regular paid journal. I'd give you guys $60 a year.

I hope LJ will realize that its niche is being the Mercedes Benz of blog sites: expensive but not flashy, very secure, and elegant.

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[info]pbristow
2006-10-02 11:21 pm UTC (link)
"I hope LJ will realize that its niche is being the Mercedes Benz of blog sites: expensive but not flashy, very secure, and elegant."

Very well put. =:o}

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[info]piphil
2006-10-02 10:10 pm UTC (link)
It would be nice if you got someone round to word your announcements slightly better and not condescend the community. But moving on...

I live in hope that the changes will be to all our benefits. :-)

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[info]tubofgoodthings
2006-10-02 10:13 pm UTC (link)
I have nothing to contribute, I just used the tracker on this thread to get comment notifications.

...I feel so falsely popular...

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[info]ursamajor
2006-10-02 10:33 pm UTC (link)
*grin* I hope you didn't enable emails for it. Or if you did, that you have a lot of space for your email available. ;)

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[info]ariiadne
2006-10-02 10:15 pm UTC (link)
I'm suspicious and wary. I'm willing to give LJ a chance to earn the trust back, but it's not going to be given easily. Honestly anything other than a total 180 turn accompanied by a serious apology for this whole debacle is probably going to fall short.

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[info]ariiadne
2006-10-02 10:18 pm UTC (link)
Also, I turned off automatic payments on my paid account and extra userpics. If I don't hear things to make me very very happy indeed I think they'll just stay off.

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[info]stewardess
2006-10-02 11:54 pm UTC (link)
I have done the same.

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[info]azurelunatic
2006-10-02 10:19 pm UTC (link)
Keep on proving the listening, and yeah. Friday night posts = bad. Monday morning posts = better.

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[info]ex_shattered767
2006-10-02 10:33 pm UTC (link)
I don't think it matters when they make a post, if they can rethink what they're saying before they say it instead of just letting the first thing they think of come out.

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