theljstaff ([info]theljstaff) wrote in [info]lj_2008,
@ 2008-08-07 16:00:00
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Update to Development Priorities
Back in March we provided you with our Development Priorities for 2008, and updated you on the progress we made on the original 100 day plan. We also mentioned we would continue to engage with the community on future plans, and in subsequent updates talked about the Advisory Board elections (April) and Basic Account proposals (July). Thanks to everyone who gave us feedback on all our previous entries. We have read all of your feedback (every single comment), and discussed much that you have put forth with regards to Basic Accounts. We know a lot of you have been awaiting our decision on Basic Accounts, so watch this space for an announcement August 14, 2008. Any changes to Basic Accounts will also affect how we deal with Basic Communities, so you can also expect an update on that.

Our goal on today’s post, though, is to update you on our service performance and product roadmap both in terms of what has been done to date, and what we have planned for the rest of 2008. We know you always hear how we are investing in our services, in performance, product features, and functionality, so we want to share our timeline for some of the more anticipated pieces. This way you can help keep us honest and focused.

First, here is a recap of the development priorities we mentioned in the March update, with a status report on each. You will see that many have broadened in scope to include new product features and enhancements happening through the rest of 2008.


SERVICE PERFORMANCE


  • Speed and performance - we started using a global CDN (Content Delivery Network) partner, and already achieved a global speed-up of userpic and static content delivery by an average factor of 2x-4x. Enabling compression for JavaScript and CSS allowed us to further increase the speed with which the LJ pages load. We are in process of purchasing servers to be installed at our new co-location facility in Montana. As part of this process, we will be replacing the old equipment with new, more energy-efficient and higher-performance equipment.
  • Back-up – as part of our colo move, we have designed and will implement a remote location in the US for offsite data storage.
  • Search – we are still working on improving search, and have made it a priority for the rest of the year. We are working on three feature sets: a friend search on the site through public email addresses to allow new users to find their friends already on LiveJournal (September), MyJournal search for Paid users, which allows you to search within your journal, and site-wide improved search for interests, tags, and more (December).


PRODUCT DEVELOPMENT:

  • Engage new users – with all the work we have done over the course of the year to update the site and satisfy our current users, this has honestly taken a back seat to date, but we still have this on our radar.
  • Audio-visual – we are nearing completion of updating the Rich Text Editor for release later this month, but significant improvements to AV posting has been postponed this year as we feel there is more basic functionality (such as search) that we should be concentrating on for the rest of the year.
  • Community platforms – since Release #31, OpenID users with verified email addresses can comment in journals where once only “registered users” could comment.
  • Statistics – this has already been launched for Cyrillic users as a trial service. We plan to roll out parts of the stats package, such as the “My Guests” feature and ratings by the end of the year for all users.
  • Development Center - [info]lj_labs  has been launched as a showcase for internally and externally developed tools and services that integrate with LiveJournal. In addition, we are committed to the integration of OpenSocial throughout our site to improve the customizability of LiveJournal and allow our developer community to create new features that anyone can use. We will be adding new public APIs to support this effort.
  • Account structure – we continue to review structure, as with Basic Accounts, and develop enhancements to existing Sponsored, Paid, and Permanent account levels
  • Editorial – we have recently hired new staff to work on introducing community discoverability for those people with shared community interests. On the flip side, we are going to be introducing new privacy measures to allow users/communities to opt-out of this type of discoverability.
  • Translations – in Release #35 we released an upgrade with enhanced translation system performance.
  • Local partnerships – we are excited to be partnering with Caferati.com in India for a flash-fiction writing contest, to be launched August 11.

Here are some more things we are currently working on this year, aside from those mentioned above:

  • Single-post suspend – as announced in [info]lj_policy  this will be ready in August.
  • Design - we plan a profile redesign for September that should make that page cleaner, clearer, and more user friendly. The design team’s goal is to improve the user interface and user experience in a number of areas including a consolidated settings page, categorization of Journal themes, improving the UI of the v-gifts feature, and rethinking the user experience around community creation and management. Watch [info]lj_design  for updates.
  • Creative Commons implementation – we would love to hear from our users as to how you would like to see this implemented, or if it is a good idea at all. We hope to have more information and a poll on [info]feedback  in the next month.
  • Increase limits for poll votes (specifically those viewable under detailed results), comments allowed per post, bans, friends, and more in October.
  • A la carte purchase of additional userpics to be released in November, and increased limits for free userpics for Plus and Paid accounts
Keep an eye on [info]lj_releases  throughout the year for updates on all of the above.


Finally, we are actively hiring to fill open positions in our offices in San Francisco. We are looking for people with a global perspective, who pride themselves on creativity and personal expression and want to help us move forward with all that we have described above, and much more.



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[info]dblume
2008-08-07 11:32 pm UTC (link)
No mention of the FireFox 3.0 bug?

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[info]intrepia
2008-08-07 11:34 pm UTC (link)
This is a known issue that will be fixed with the Rich Text Editor upgrade.

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[info]stardust9121
2008-08-07 11:32 pm UTC (link)
I wasn't aware that basic communities (all communities aren't basic? other than sponsored ones?) would be affected. If that was mentioned before I missed it. I'm even more concerned and hope this works out all right.

I'm interested in how Creative Commons might be involved, and I'm sure quite a few people will be happy with various increased limits.

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[info]stardust9121
2008-08-08 01:17 am UTC (link)
Wow, I was tired when I first read this. How did I miss the bit about searching your own journal? I've been dying for that! Thank you. :)

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[info]aeriedraconia
2008-08-07 11:36 pm UTC (link)
How about making rich text available for Opera users.

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[info]intrepia
2008-08-07 11:41 pm UTC (link)
I'm pretty sure that the upgrade to the Rich Text Editor will make it compatible with Opera as well. :-)

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[info]dbaxdevilsfan
2008-08-07 11:37 pm UTC (link)
Thanks for all the updates! I do have 1 question though......in regards to this:

Community platforms – since Release #31, OpenID users with verified email addresses can comment in journals where once only “registered users” could comment.

Does this now mean that anyone can comment on my journal (if they use OpenID), even though I have it set to no anonymous posting, and only registered users that are listed as friends? If so, will there be a way to disallow OpenID users to post?

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[info]marta
2008-08-07 11:44 pm UTC (link)
It won't override the settings you've got - you'd need to list the Open ID user as a friend in order for them to be able to comment with your commenting set like you describe.

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(no subject) - [info]dbaxdevilsfan, 2008-08-07 11:47 pm UTC (Expand)

[info]hbpen
2008-08-07 11:37 pm UTC (link)
I really like the idea of being able to search for something in my own LJ. (Of course, assuming that friends-only & private posts are included in the searching.)

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[info]byfaith
2008-08-08 01:11 pm UTC (link)
I like your icon.

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[info]phoenixdreaming
2008-08-07 11:38 pm UTC (link)
This sounds pretty good, and I'm very interested in the search plans. Thanks for the update!

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[info]shatterstripes
2008-08-07 11:41 pm UTC (link)
Search! Statistics! SEARCH!!!

Yay!

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[info]claystorm
2008-08-07 11:44 pm UTC (link)
Sounds good to me. I really like have two different-data centers in different parts of the US / World. Just incase crap happens, cus we all know it can and will one day.

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[info]jewelianna
2008-08-07 11:48 pm UTC (link)
Statistics will be opt-out, right? Or at least numbers only, not a "see who viewed my journal" thing?

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[info]marta
2008-08-07 11:50 pm UTC (link)
Yes. The way it works on lj.ru right now is that you can opt out of your information ever showing on anyone else's "My Guests" results - but you won't be able to see who visited you through that program if you opt out.

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Firestorm: Opt-out - [info]vakkotaur, 2008-08-08 01:17 am UTC (Expand)
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Critical Thinking: Overstating the Obvious - [info]dangerousedge, 2008-08-08 01:59 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Critical Thinking: Overstating the Obvious - [info]marta, 2008-08-08 05:36 pm UTC (Expand)
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[info]spectralbovine
2008-08-07 11:51 pm UTC (link)
Single-post suspend
Very nice!

comments allowed per post
Oh, nice! That'll make the love memes last longer.

We plan another permanent account sale in November.
Now up to $200?

A la carte purchase of additional userpics to be released in November, and increased limits for free userpics for Plus and Paid accounts
But I assume Permanent account holders would get the maximum allowed already, right?

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[info]marta
2008-08-08 12:00 am UTC (link)
We've got no final information on the price, so opinions would be welcome!

I'll check on the plan for the extra userpic packages and if that would affect Permanent Accounts.

Edited at 2008-08-08 12:01 am UTC

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[info]tsgeisel
2008-08-07 11:53 pm UTC (link)
A real method of searching communities by interest has been due for a long time. Years. I'm glad to see something coming.

And I find myself curious about what statistics you're talking about. My feature request of being able to see what icons I've used, and how many times, has been open for quite some time, and I'd definitely be interested in seeing that info.

I also support special new features for permanent users, because I'm elitist that way. :-)

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[info]matgb
2008-08-08 12:06 am UTC (link)
My feature request of being able to see what icons I've used, and how many times

Having recently had my extra pics bolt on lapse, and waiting till the next paycheque before I rebuy it, this'd definitely be good—some of my most used icons aren't in the selection I got, and some obscure ones that I don't recall using that much seem to be.

But I think they're talking more about readership stats, how many page views, y'know, the sort of thing that every other blogging platform lets you do fairly easily. The LJtoys workaround isn't quite up to anything.

PErsonally, all I really want is search referrals and seeing how people got to my older posts—I recently found I'm top search results for some rather weird terms and I'd like to see who's getting to where how and why—I like seeing that data on my Blogger and Wordpress blogs, but my LJ is my primary personal place these days.

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[info]rymenhild
2008-08-08 12:01 am UTC (link)
Is there any hope for raising the tag limit?

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[info]tupshin
2008-08-08 12:13 am UTC (link)
The tag limit is based on database load, and while we did raise it a couple of months ago we are looking into being able to raise it further.

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[info]echoweaver
2008-08-08 12:09 am UTC (link)
Very enthusiastic about journal search and community locating features!

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[info]bandicoot
2008-08-08 12:13 am UTC (link)
Out of curiosity, which city in Montana?

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[info]alexia_drake
2008-08-08 12:18 am UTC (link)
Everything looks great :)
I mostly love the "A la carte purchase of additional userpics" an the increase of userpics for all accounts, thank you !

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[info]yeuxdebleu
2008-08-08 12:40 am UTC (link)
A la carte purchase of additional userpics to be released in November, and increased limits for free userpics for Plus and Paid accounts

Yay!!! Permanent accounts, too, please. Can't have too many icons.

This was a terrific update....very clear and well written. Kudos!

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[info]hey_jupiter
2008-08-08 12:42 am UTC (link)
Looks good! Just one request....

When I first started with LJ, you could (I believe via directory search) do a search which would give you a list of members who had the most interests in common with you. They'd show them in descending order from the most in common to the least (up to a few hundred, I believe). This would be great to have again.

If not possible, at least we could be able to search by a few options like "books and music" or excluding some searches "fiction not fanfic." Not sure if I'm explaining it right.

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[info]kaasirpent
2008-08-08 04:10 pm UTC (link)
Yes, we did have that a while back. And several of my current friends were located in just that manner. It also gave higher weight to interests that were less common (so that 'books' or 'music' were low-weight terms, but, say, 'cruithne' or 'black-footed ferrets' got higher weight for being less common).

It would be GREAT to have that capability back, and now there's no real excuse because you've said you're getting new hardware and have already gotten 2x-4x speed improvement. :) Ha!

I second the request to have this back.

Edited at 2008-08-08 04:14 pm UTC

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[info]intrepia
2008-08-08 12:50 am UTC (link)
I took everything that mentioned a specific month in this post and arranged it chronologically:

August

* partnership with Caferati.com in India for a flash-fiction writing contest, to be launched August 11.

* decision on Basic Accounts, to be announced August 14 in [info]lj_2008.

* updating the Rich Text Editor.

* single-post suspend.

September

* a friend search on the site through public email addresses to allow new users to find their friends already on LiveJournal.

* profile redesign.

October

* increase limits for poll votes (specifically those viewable under detailed results), comments allowed per post, bans, friends, and more.

November

* A la carte purchase of additional userpics, and increased limits for free userpics for Plus and Paid accounts.

* Permanent Account sale.

December

* MyJournal search for Paid users, which allows you to search within your journal, and site-wide improved search for interests, tags, and more.

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[info]404_leafclover
2008-08-08 12:52 am UTC (link)
additional userpics

MARRY ME LJ

I'd be all diplomatic and ask important questions BUT I AM TOO EXCITED

WHY AM I SO EXCITED OVER 100x100 PICTURES

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[info]docjeff
2008-08-08 12:53 am UTC (link)
I appreciate the update but am becoming annoyed at the seeming lack of adding more accessibility options. Is this something that is no longer being looked at?

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[info]tupshin
2008-08-08 03:45 am UTC (link)
We have an ongoing interest in addressing accessibility issues of all types. Can you summarize your biggest accessibility concerns with the current site?

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Re: Firestorm: Opt-out - [info]docjeff, 2008-08-08 04:15 am UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]imc, 2008-08-08 09:09 am UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]docjeff, 2008-08-08 09:36 pm UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]intrepia, 2008-08-09 10:27 am UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]docjeff, 2008-08-09 11:22 am UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]intrepia, 2008-08-09 11:29 am UTC (Expand)
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[info]badlydrawnjeff
2008-08-08 01:03 am UTC (link)
Creative Commons implementation – we would love to hear from our users as to how you would like to see this implemented, or if it is a good idea at all. We hope to have more information and a poll on [info]feedback in the next month.

Please avoid this. I don't know how you're intending on implementing this, but it's really not a great idea, especially with all the other crazy licensing business that goes on in the bakground.

Those who are concerned are already doing it - let's not make this a bizarre copyleft experiment on top of it.

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[info]vakkotaur
2008-08-08 01:27 am UTC (link)
I'll agree with this. Let me decide any license issues for what I write, or images I might create and post. This smells of LJ giving away something LJ has no right to give away.

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(no subject) - [info]tallblue, 2008-08-08 05:59 am UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]elfwreck, 2008-08-10 02:50 am UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]vakkotaur, 2008-08-08 08:56 am UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]rydra_wong, 2008-08-08 04:15 pm UTC (Expand)
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(no subject) - [info]elfwreck, 2008-08-09 02:32 pm UTC (Expand)
how about those advisory board elections, anyway?
[info]henare
2008-08-08 01:07 am UTC (link)
a winner was announced and then ... nothing. the named winner has apparently no interest in engaging the users who elected her.

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Re: how about those advisory board elections, anyway?
[info]dryad271
2008-08-08 03:37 am UTC (link)
iawtc. How can we contact "our" representative?

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[info]the_paulr
2008-08-08 01:11 am UTC (link)
I'd like to see someone - preferably LJ Abuse - deal with serial adders instead of just saying "it's not against the TOS." Well maybe it should be.

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[info]realcdaae
2008-08-08 03:09 am UTC (link)
I think that would create an awful lot of extra work for LJ Abuse, without leading to any real benefits. Surely they're easy enough to just ignore?

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[info]pr1ss
2008-08-08 01:22 am UTC (link)
I'd like to see the basic accounts remain usable. It's possible, but not obvious how to post a picture to one now, sidebar and widgets are not possible. I can do so much more on my blogspot site, but I would like to maintain my livejournal and add to the community here.

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[info]tptigger
2008-08-08 01:37 am UTC (link)
I'm not sure I like this "my guests" feature--I'd hate to log out to go lurking. Also, a lot of these are sounding more and more like LiveJournal is turning into Big Brother (George Orwell: 1984--hopefully not banned in Russia). I have to say I'm becoming very uneasy about a lot of these so-called "Improvements".

I like that communities can opt out of discoverabilty. Any way individuals can opt out of "my guests"?

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[info]intrepia
2008-08-08 01:58 am UTC (link)
From what I understand, the way the "My Guests" feature is implemented for Cyrillic users is that you only show up in other user's logs if you have the feature enabled for your own journal - so you can either not get statistics and not be included in statistics, or both be included in and get statistics.

Edited at 2008-08-08 01:58 am UTC

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