WandringSoul ([info]wandringsoul) wrote in [info]livejournal_uk,
@ 2005-11-25 14:47:00
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In response to comments about Amazon selling the wrong kinds of books... how about a guide to handballing?

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0962475157/104-6783358-1109543?v=glance&n=283155&%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance

No? How about the ins and outs of enema play?

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1890159514/104-6783358-1109543?v=glance&n=283155&%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance

Infantilsm?

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1576870839/104-6783358-1109543?v=glance&n=283155

Anyway - each to their own... still no sign of the alleged book in question though...

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[info]exploitedfairy
2005-11-25 03:06 pm UTC (link)
surely half the stuff in the bible could be interpretted in an offensive way, too?

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[info]ockhams_shotgun
2005-11-25 03:07 pm UTC (link)
Only half?

;-p

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[info]exploitedfairy
2005-11-25 03:08 pm UTC (link)
heh

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[info]wandringsoul
2005-11-25 03:12 pm UTC (link)
Oh - I'm not saying any of this is offensive at all... I'm just exploring the variety of reading material on offer... : )

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[info]exploitedfairy
2005-11-25 03:15 pm UTC (link)
lol

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[info]droojit
2005-11-25 03:48 pm UTC (link)
and the koran and the torah and the many atheist books etc etc....why just pick on the bible?

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[info]exploitedfairy
2005-11-25 03:50 pm UTC (link)
isn't it the world's best seller? I would have mentioned others, but I'm lazy like that.

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[info]ockhams_shotgun
2005-11-25 03:07 pm UTC (link)
O.O

OMG!

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[info]twine42
2005-11-25 03:37 pm UTC (link)
The "Ins" of enema play probably aren't too bad. The "outs" however...

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[info]poshcat
2005-11-26 02:53 am UTC (link)
Best comment ever.

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[info]adcott
2005-11-25 03:44 pm UTC (link)
Dug this one up which appears to justify paedophilia:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0932870244/

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[info]twine42
2005-11-25 03:47 pm UTC (link)
I just clicked on that link thinking it was going to be this link</i>

I would like to inform my boss here and now that the girls I like are between 17 and 45. :)

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[info]wandringsoul
2005-11-25 03:52 pm UTC (link)
lol...

Tuesday... got up early, shaved, threw some clothes on, popped out into the yard and said a quick Hi to the Firing Squad....

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[info]twine42
2005-11-25 03:52 pm UTC (link)
Bugger.

You know, I am a web developer by trade. Apparently I'm just a very stupid one. :)

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[info]wandringsoul
2005-11-25 03:53 pm UTC (link)
That one certainly seems to be written by someone who is advocating pansexuality, and far more disturbingly than that - coital sex with children as young as 12...

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[info]ockhams_shotgun
2005-11-25 03:57 pm UTC (link)
Would make for an interesting read, I think.

Paedophilia is such a touchy area. The moment the word crops up, that's it; anyone who says something like 'maybe we should try to understand these people' gets trampled under the feet of the whordes with their 'die evil pervert monster' placards.

Now the question is: is that book breaking any laws? There is the argument of free speech; that this guy has the right to say that the law should be changed. We allow the case for cannabis legalisation to be made after all. Should he be listened to? Well, I think yes, in so far as one should listen to the views one disagrees with or else risk being uninformed.

Should twelve year olds be considered capable of giving consent to sexual intercourse with an adult?

...

No.

Don't have the energy to make my case though I'm afraid, so I'll have to leave it at that!

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Dear paedophile
[info]aidan_gb
2005-11-25 06:51 pm UTC (link)
Ok, in answer to one of your q's, If you feel you need to entertain the idea of Paedophilia then, yes that makes you a (potential) paedophile. as to other subjects, well they should be left to other posts or we will be here some time. Stay on track now people.
there is a reason paedophilia is a touchy subject, besides being against the law, to people it has happened to, it destroys their lives, makes them never feel safe. if you wish to "understand these people" who commit these offenses then be prepared to be tarred with the same brush.
I've read this discussion from the first post. stating the OP heard a news piece on radio4 about being able to get pro-paedophile material on amazon. the whole story is about outrage in america because of an exclusive contract between amazon and toys R us. amazon dids not honor this by selling toys from other companies. the other side to this story is that during the time the contract was working, toys r us had a link to amazon.com, during which time it came to parents attention that amazon was also selling pro-paedophile material, adamantly despite complaints. the off shot of this revelation is that toys r us promptly removed the link to amazon. amazon sued them, and an american judge enforced the contract and made toys r us replace the link. hence the moral outrage.
However, through looking through these posts, it leaves me with 1 of 2 opinions. 1.your collective IQ is just above that of an amoeba, OR 2.you are all paedophile sympathizers. oh dear.

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[info]bengirrl_tiger
2005-11-25 10:49 pm UTC (link)
pedophilia and cannabis are completely different issues!! You can't compare their issues at all. I can't even see how.

At the heart of everything there should be concern over the child in question. They are the victims, and no matter how much the pedophile wants to believe they gave consent children don't know enough about sex to give their consent. They shouldn't ever have to either. The man who wrote this book is just highly selfish (as well as perverted) and is just looking for excuses to make his case in the hope of persuading some people that he has a case (which he hasn't). I'm surprised it even got published.

IMO, pedophiles, like rapists, should have no rights. If they are mentally ill they should get treatment; if they broke the law having sex with minors they should get prison (and castration too if possible).

And what was all that stuff about "understanding the mindset of the left"?? I think that review was written by a republican!


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[info]darkkat
2005-11-25 03:58 pm UTC (link)
I pointed this out on the original thread, but apparently no-one heard me...

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[info]purely_cosmetic
2005-11-26 01:53 am UTC (link)
Although I completley agree that sex with children is disgustingly, morally and intrinsically wrong, (Without any jusitifcation) it's worth pointing out that this hasn't always been the commonly held view. In Ancient Greece 14 year old men would be forced to marry and consumate a marriage with a man 35 years minimum.

In Ancient Rome although girls weren't meant to be married before 14 (i think, might be a bit older) if they were betrothed from an early age they would at times go and live with their husbands to be from as young as nine, and it wasn't unheard of for the relationship to be consummated. But these men weren't considered mentally unstable paedophiles, they were considered normal men.

I just find it interesting to see how societies views have changed. I am not, in any way, trying to defend the behaviour of child abusers. I find it inexcuseably shocking, and would be attempted to agree with the many people I know who advocate birching child abusers. (amongst imprisonment, etc)

However, I remember hearing that many childabusers were abused themselves as a child - which I think is important.

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[info]purely_cosmetic
2005-11-26 01:54 am UTC (link)
14 year old WOMen....duh!

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[info]ex_petrol384
2005-11-26 01:16 pm UTC (link)
*headdesk* Here's the book in question. I won't pass jugdement on the book as I've never read it, but going by the title and book summary, it seems likely that the author is indeed trying to justify paedophilia. He's also the author of two other books on the same subject.

I don't take offence to Amazon carrying books such as this, but I'm baffled why anybody would want to publish them.

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