livejournal_uk: I am shocked and disgusted at amazon.co.

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edibleundies) wrote in

livejournal_uk,
@ 2005-11-25 08:18:00

I am shocked and disgusted at amazon.co.uk, which according to the Radio 4 report I overheard today, sells a book which is basically a guidebook to where paedophiles should go in order to abuse children and get away with it.

I've written an email to them telling them what I think of them. I hope others do too.

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	copycatkiller 2005-11-25 08:23 am UTC (link)
	What's the book called? (Reply to this) (Thread)

	edibleundies 2005-11-25 08:25 am UTC (link)
	They didnt give the name as obviously that would be advertising it, although they have arguably done so by even mentioning it at all. (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

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wandringsoul, 2005-11-25 11:25 am UTC

	david 2005-11-25 08:35 am UTC (link)
	Erm, surely you're gunning for the wrong people, Amazon are a retailer, if they didn't stock it somebody else would. The author on the other hand, there's only one (or a few) of. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	edibleundies 2005-11-25 08:40 am UTC (link)
	I still think amazon have a responsibility as a mainstream retailer. I am waiting for amazon to tell me the author/publisher so I can contact them too. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	hatsumomo 2005-11-25 08:40 am UTC (link)
	They need a book? Thailand. Durrr. (Reply to this)

gledster2000
2005-11-25 10:13 am UTC (link)

Can we have some rationality here? Please?

1. Do you know the name of the book? No.

2. Did you actually hear the whole report, or just catch a snippet?

3. Do you know who wrote the book?

4. Do you actually know what the book is about? It's quite possible that the media has blown this out of proportion and the book isn't at all what you think. But you'd know that, what with you having read the book and all...

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	ockhams_shotgun 2005-11-25 10:18 am UTC (link)
	cheers I'm normally the one who ends up posting what you posted (not here though, I'm new here)... and was about to! ^_^ Boo to hype! Yay for objective philosophical enquiry! (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

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	samuti 2005-11-25 10:24 am UTC (link)
	hurrah (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

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gledster2000, 2005-11-25 10:43 am UTC

	chewbeaker 2005-11-25 10:27 am UTC (link)
	Hurrah hurrah! Was thinking this myself. (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

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gledster2000, 2005-11-25 10:44 am UTC

	ceriselle 2005-11-25 10:33 am UTC (link)
	I thought exactly the same thing. How can you be outraged by something you don't even know exsists?! (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

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gledster2000, 2005-11-25 10:45 am UTC

	jcaswell 2005-11-25 10:33 am UTC (link)
	Well said. The media really do have a lot to answer for. (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

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	panimu 2005-11-25 01:34 pm UTC (link)
	Ditto, basically. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	edibleundies 2005-11-25 02:07 pm UTC (link)
	Yes I did catch the whole report, and its Radio 4, not some tabloid. (Reply to this) (Parent)

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aidan_gb
2005-11-25 07:34 pm UTC (link)

1. it's not about 1 book, it's about amazon selling a small collection of about 4 titles on pro-paedophilia material, and they still are selling despite numerous complaints and boycotts.
2. regardless of the amount of the show she caught, she raised a valid issue, which, upon research turns out to be basically true.
3. why, you want a copy, it's not available through .co.uk, the moral outrage is regards to america. ie, amazon.com
4. as stated it is pro-paedophilia, ie. written from a paedophile's perspective. Frankly, it's enough to know it exists, i, personally, do not wish to read what some sick bastard did to a child, and how it felt?. no way.

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	lordlucan 2005-11-27 03:25 am UTC (link)
	Media? Blowing things out of proportion? In the UK? Good God, have you taken leave of your senses? (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

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gledster2000, 2005-11-27 11:37 am UTC

darkkat
2005-11-25 10:23 am UTC (link)

After searching for quite some time on the net I managed to come up with something.

A website called Redwatch (which has strong sympathies with the BNP and National Front, if not open links) has an article on a book available on the American version of Amazon that espouses the virtues of man-boy love. It should be noted that the book is not available on the Amazon.co.uk site (I put it through their product search to be sure).

This is the only thing I can find relating to the subject, and even then it seems pretty far from what you're describing.

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	hmm aidan_gb 2005-11-25 07:39 pm UTC (link)
	so, a book describing the ~"good fun" you can have sexually exploiting young boys doesen't worry you? you don't think that maybe the largest book retailer on the internet that sells childrens books and encourages kids to explore reading should make a moral stance on this, in not doing so are saying it's ok. (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

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darkkat, 2005-11-26 03:08 am UTC

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learnedrobb, 2005-11-29 10:17 pm UTC

droojit
2005-11-25 10:56 am UTC (link)

Umm, you don't know the name of the book, the author, don't know what's in the book really, just a basic description on radio report you overheard (not that you ere listening to, that you overheard). Sorry, but before I start complaining at people, I need something more concrete than that.

Also, remember that the radio description of the book is going to be inaccurate. It always is.

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	twine42 2005-11-25 11:03 am UTC (link)
	Personally I just love people who complain without kn owing what they are complaining about. I say we should ban all Crime novels - I hear they are just FULL of ways to commit murders and get away with them. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	ockhams_shotgun 2005-11-25 11:44 am UTC (link)
	And documentaries! You see, if you make a documentary detailing how paedophiles form child porn rings, then you'll be teaching people how to form child-porn rings, therefore more people will become paedophiles! O.O I say we burn all libraries, it's the only way. (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

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annifa, 2005-11-25 12:18 pm UTC

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	refusion 2005-11-25 11:54 am UTC (link)
	because if it's on the radio it must be true... (Reply to this)

it is no joking matter

katya_uk
2005-11-25 01:36 pm UTC (link)

i understand what people are saying, but a subject like this is no joking matter. infact it is just sick. maybe if they had been abused as a child, they wouldn't find it so funny.
yes the media spout out alot of bollocks, but there is nothing wrong with someone being concerend about it. maybe if people acted more instead of just talking about these things and making jokes out of it, something might actually be done about the perverted bastards.

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Re: it is no joking matter

chewbeaker
2005-11-25 02:36 pm UTC (link)

I totally agree, but I don't think you can accuse people or cause outrage over something you don't have all the facts for. The fact that amazon.co.uk doesn't even seem to be responsable and that the OP doesn't even know the name of the book leaves his cause a bit lacking.
I am sure more people would be far more willing to do something about it if there were solid facts. Moral panics are often caused because people don't have all the information. I am concerned that such a book *could* exist but I don't have all the facts or even have any solid evidence for its existence. If so I would be one of the many people (as i'm sure everyone on here would be) who would not only be disgusted but want to do something about it.

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wandringsoul
2005-11-25 02:36 pm UTC (link)

Well, after trawling through the oh-so-exciting world of the Radio 4 message boards... all I find is an objection to coverage of this story:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4446040.stm

Seems that no one else has found this book you refer to to be so reprehensible as to mention it on the message boards. COuld you please provide more information?

PS - your latest post expressing your interest in our responses is locked from posting replies to.

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	spudulike 2005-11-25 02:55 pm UTC (link)
	Why bother posting a response to which noone can reply? Your post could actually have been an interesting subject to talk about, but you haven't qualified any of what you were saying at all. What show was the report on? I was listening to Radio 4 this morning but I didn't catch it. (Reply to this)

	ex_petrol384 2005-11-25 10:03 pm UTC (link)
	A Google search for 'paedophile Amazon' pulls up this book: 'Understanding Loved Boys and Boylovers'. Make of that what you will. (Reply to this)

amarantha_raven
2005-11-26 08:38 am UTC (link)

I followed a link from somewhere else to find this post and what I find the most interesting is that while two different commenters have mentioned the same book (indirectly through the link to that petition and also through a direct link to it's listing on Amazon.com) neither of them pointed out what the book's PUBLISHER had to say about it in the reviews.

Many researchers is the fields of Psychology and Human Sexuality have been taking a fresh look at the "conventional" wisdom which has been the basis for evaluation of intergenerational male/male sexual activities.

[...]

The above mentioned paper and books are intended primarily for researchers, educators, and other people knowledgeable in these areas. Therefore, I have authored a "layman's" introductory volume, "Understanding Loved Boys and Boylovers", which essentially covers the same premises, data, and conclusions as the above, but which is written in mostly non technical language, with the average citizen in mind. This book, while certainly bound to be controversial, and which espouses certain changes in various laws, is carefully maintained within the limits of current laws, there is nothing in it which could possibly concern any postal inspector, or which could create any legal liability. SafeHaven Foundation Press

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