dimi3on ([info]dimi3on) wrote in [info]lingwadeplaneta,
@ 2008-04-06 13:34:00
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Nove derivia - New derivation
Verbal nouns derivation has changed, now it's fully regular. We have dropped the irregular forms ending in -shen. Now, in order to make an abstract noun from a verb, simply add -a:
admiti 'admit' - admitia 'admission'
konsoli 'console' - konsolia 'consolation'
organisi 'organize' - organisia 'organization' (activity; organized structure)
permiti 'permit' - permitia 'permission'
relati 'relate' - relatia 'relation'
komersi 'trade' - komersia 'trade, commerce'.

Korona 'a crown' - koroni 'to crown' - koronia 'coronation'

For non-verbal nouns we now use 'sion':
nasion, emosion, revolusion, stasion, organisasion (group of people).

Other news. In orthography, we have dropped the excessive use of "y", and now we write sait (site), taim (time), maidan (square), pri (like), pi (drink).
The letters «i» and «y» denote the same sound [i]. The use of «y» basically indicates that the sound is not stressed: pyu [piú]. Besides, «y» at the end of a word indicates that the word is not a verb: krai "to cry" — skay "sky".

Some new words:
diki - to show (Hindi dikha-na)
tume - dark (Estonian)
jenmin - people (the body of citizens of a state or country) (Chinese)
volia - will (Russian)
tuki - knock (Russian)
hama - frog (Chinese)



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Nove derivia
(Anonymous)
2008-04-12 06:17 am UTC (link)
Dobroe utro dorogoj Dmitry!

I've seen the new derivation rules! A big step towards regularity... Now only experience and practice will show how well it will work. The rules themselves are very simple, I just wonder if the speakers will quickly assimilate the distinction between -ia, -ka and -ing (But like every system, it takes some time before being fully efficient).
For the last two examples, I wonder if it should not remain fa-gransa and fa-haosa (or, contrary, if the verbs should not be fagran and fahao).
Good for "diki" and "volia", as sambahsa has "deik-" and "vol"!

Khauris nawehrg!

Olivier

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Re: Nove derivia
[info]dimi3on
2008-04-12 04:30 pm UTC (link)
Thank you for your comment. With fa-gran and fa-hao, actually -ing may be added (fa-haoing, fa-graning), as the sense is simply action. We'll settle the questions of dashes a bit later, I guess.
I'd like to publish here a fragment of your letter about "deik", because it may be interesting to many people.

"Deik" is a well-attested IE root (ex: German "zeigen"; Sanskrit "diç"; Latin: "dicere" = "to say"; of course "indicare" comes from "deik"). In Old Greek, "dikê" was one of the name of the Justice, because it shows the way to follow. That's why in Sambahsa, the prefix "diks-" means "legal". Ex: "ghehrd" = "yard", "diksghehrd" = "Court of Justice". In Sanskrit, "diç" referred to the sky directions, thus the word "deça" means "territory, land" like in "Bangladesh"!

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