e. magill ([info]emagill) wrote in [info]libertarianism,
@ 2005-09-03 23:05:00
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Okay, I got to say it. The Katrina disaster is horrible. WHY IS EVERYBODY POLITICIZING IT! IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH POLITICS! As much as I dislike CNN, Anderson Cooper had it right when he told the Landrou (or however the fuck you spell her name) woman that people didn't want to hear politicians pat themselves on the back or insult each other when there were rats feeding on decaying bodies in the streets.

To Republicans who are busy defending GW, stop it. GW should be standing on the deck with a bullhorn like he did on 9/11, not playing guitar with some country music buddies. Yes, he's a politician who is no longer worried about getting re-elected, so get off your high horse and face a little bit of reality.

To Democrats blasting GW, stop it. If you're so concerned with what's being done over there, donate some money or something or go over there your fucking self. It infuriates me that you profess so much pity for those who are suffering, but you put your hatred of the president above and beyond anything else; remember, no matter how evil you think he is, he can't control the fucking weather!

To those who think Katrina has something to do with global warming, start doing some real research and learn the goddamn facts.

To Michael Moore, when will you get a fucking clue? The only people who are fooled by you are those who have so much hatred and bias that they want to believe you. Everybody else sees a 400 pound rock star who bitches about greed in America, you fucking hypocrite!

And, lastly, to those of you who are concerned about the high poverty rate of New Orleans, I agree that it is sad, but it is not something that politics can fix without doing irreperable damage to the civil, economic, and constitutionally guaranteed liberties of the general populace. If you think that kind of poverty is bad, you should have been alive in the thirties or, better yet, just go to Africa for a while and get a little perspective on what a great providing country you are lucky to live in.

...And this has absolutely nothing to do with Iraq, for the love of fuck!



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[info]documentarian
2005-09-04 03:12 am UTC (link)
I really, really like you, and I feel your pain.

Thank You

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[info]emagill
2005-09-04 03:16 am UTC (link)
Phew. Thank you! I'm glad I'm not alone out here.

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[info]stevis78
2005-09-04 03:13 am UTC (link)
Well said.


--Steve

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[info]cosmic_jax
2005-09-04 03:14 am UTC (link)
Hee! I couldn't have said it better myself.

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[info]admyrrek
2005-09-04 03:16 am UTC (link)
"...And this has absolutely nothing to do with Iraq, for the love of fuck!

I don't believe 'fuck' is a noun.

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[info]graey42
2005-09-04 03:19 am UTC (link)
I thought I was the only one who used "for the love of fuck" on a regular basis.

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[info]xochitl
2005-09-04 03:17 am UTC (link)
So completely agreed. I don't even like Bush, but it seems like Bush-bashing is the cop out for everyone who doesn't have anything helpful to contribute.

What irritates me almost as much, is people who are using this event to become pseudo-bleeding hearts and feel morally superior to others, even though most if not all of these people don't give ANY money to ANY charities during the other 364 days of the year.

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[info]emagill
2005-09-04 03:21 am UTC (link)
Yeah, that's the thing, isn't it? If something horrible winds up on the news, people donate money, but the horrible things happening around the world on a daily basis don't seem to affect these "pseudo-bleeding hearts."

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(no subject) - [info]ragnarok20, 2005-09-04 03:24 am UTC
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You too? - [info]laughing_piggy, 2005-09-04 01:17 pm UTC
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Re: You too? - [info]xochitl, 2005-09-04 04:24 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]gunslnger, 2005-09-05 08:39 am UTC
Two things
[info]montecristo
2005-09-04 03:21 am UTC (link)
All politicians will grandstand, or use misfortune to tar their opponent, or make an opportunity for themselves to pose as rescuers and heroes if only they could be given more money and authority.

The world runs on politics. Yes, Virginia, politics IS part of life no matter how we wring our hands and wish it wasn't so. Facts are facts and politicians ARE to blame for many pieces of this fiasco. It is also a sad fact that they are to blame because We The People, gave them money and authority when it was not advisable to do so -- about that we certainly can agree.

That's why it is a sad fact of reality that money and funds and materiel and personnel are in Iraq right now that could have been used to stem the disaster going on in New Orleans right now. I know that nobody wants that to be true, but it is decision for which many are paying, all over the place, with their lives. The Louisianna National Guard are right now, working to "bring democracy to Iraq" instead of rescuing flood victims. For however unhappy that people are to notice these things, they are facts. We can learn from these consequences of our prior decisions, or we can hide our heads, ignore the political ramifications, and watch the process repeat itself.

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Re: Two things
[info]emagill
2005-09-04 03:28 am UTC (link)
I'm not trying to argue that the location of the Louisiana National Guard is anywhere but in Iraq. This is not something I am disputing, although I would certainly check on it before I myself called it a fact. I am annoyed that there are people who, with a sad little smirk on their face, tell us this as if to say, "You see, I told you, the Iraq War was wrong, because the president should have known that we'd need the National Guard for a natural catastrophe here at home." It's backwards logic, and what's worse, it's using the images of death and disaster to forward a failed political agenda (although almost all political agendas use images of death and disaster; hell, the pro-Iraq crowd still has Halabja) instead of bringing anything constructive to the table.

The fact that a big fucking hurricane hit New Orleans has nothing to do with Iraq, and I stand firmly behind that fact.

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Re: Two things - [info]reckless_rex, 2005-09-04 03:29 am UTC
Ah, but unfortunately this is NOT "backwards logic" - [info]montecristo, 2005-09-04 03:40 am UTC
Re: Ah, but unfortunately this is NOT "backwards logic" - [info]emagill, 2005-09-04 03:44 am UTC
Re: Ah, but unfortunately this is NOT "backwards logic" - [info]_luaineach, 2005-09-04 03:25 pm UTC
hurf - [info]reckless_rex, 2005-09-04 03:28 am UTC
Re: hurf - [info]volkris, 2005-09-04 05:29 am UTC

[info]ragnarok20
2005-09-04 03:23 am UTC (link)
I do hate Michael Moore.

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[info]hopeleslove
2005-09-04 03:26 am UTC (link)
Does anyone really like him? I mean, really?

Could you imagine having him over as a dinner guest? I bet that fat bastard could ruin a party quicker than an outbreak of violent diherea.

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[info]fieryphoenix
2005-09-04 03:29 am UTC (link)
<3

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Amen, bruddah!
[info]reckless_rex
2005-09-04 03:30 am UTC (link)
Right on, man.

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[info]fallingangels
2005-09-04 03:44 am UTC (link)
BRAVO!!!

I tip my hat to you. Very well said.

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[info]_bexy
2005-09-04 03:45 am UTC (link)
fuck yeah.
That was excellent.
Thank you.
(thank you. thank you. thank you.)

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[info]emagill
2005-09-04 03:50 am UTC (link)
You're welcome.
(you're welcome. you're welcome. you're welcome.)

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[info]deceivingsnake
2005-09-04 04:23 am UTC (link)
A+.

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[info]hhallahh
2005-09-04 04:35 am UTC (link)
I'm not sure what you mean by "politicizing" something. If I say, "they sure fucked up", am I politicizing the event? If I conclude, "they sure fucked up, and should not be re-elected", then am I doing it, even though the latter statement is a reasonable extension of the former?

Granted, this is a human disaster before a political one, and we shouldn't lose track of that fact, but... we fail to "politicize" events and give politicians a pass at our own peril.

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[info]emagill
2005-09-04 04:42 am UTC (link)
Well, I can certainly see your point. Everything eventually falls into the realm of politics, and I'm not even sure "politicize" is a legitimate word. I use it to mean the abuse of a fresh situation for the sakes of juxtaposition with policy. All situations, especially bad ones like disasters and wars, are very important for political discourse, but it seems hollow and inhuman to put the cart before the horse in these kinds of situations. Deal with the tragedy first, then discuss policy.

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[info]m0nkeygrl
2005-09-04 04:44 am UTC (link)
♥♥♥♥♥

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[info]ericthemage
2005-09-04 05:14 am UTC (link)
Also, if I hear one more celebrity on the news saying "We all need to pray" I'm going to shoot the TV. If you really want to help, get off your knees and go do something to help.

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[info]emagill
2005-09-04 05:19 am UTC (link)
Amen. (Pun intended)

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[info]solarpowerspork
2005-09-04 05:41 am UTC (link)
To Michael Moore, when will you get a fucking clue? The only people who are fooled by you are those who have so much hatred and bias that they want to believe you. Everybody else sees a 400 pound rock star who bitches about greed in America, you fucking hypocrite!

Exactly.

Moore goes and bitches about how Bush was in Crawford while it happened and yadda yadda yadda. But Moore never says (as least I can't find it anywhere) what specifically HE is doing to help those in NOLA.

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[info]erniecu73
2005-09-04 10:14 pm UTC (link)
Spending more than $3.800 a week to lose 12 (yes, JUST 12) pounds at a fat farm in an exclusive North Miami Beach neighborhood.

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[info]finalcut
2005-09-04 05:50 am UTC (link)
i voted libertarian in '04 and tend to lean that way, but with a more liberal slant.

I am bitching about the federal response to the hurricane. I feel I can do that even if I am going to claim libertarianism as the basis of my political theory. Major disaster relief is one of the roles I feel the federal government should play, as when something like this happens, I don't care what state it is, whether it's a rich state or a poor state, they are simply not going to have all of the resources they need to take care of it.

Yes, I feel the federal response was disorganized and got started too late. I am upset that while we have spent so much time supposedly preparing for an attack or disaster, we are still not ready at all. This should make it clear we are not ready for another 9/11 "or worse."

And yes, I feel I have a right to complain. I've donated money, I'm organizing a campus response to the hurricane, and will be attending diaster relief training by the Red Cross next week. So don't say that everyone complaining isn't actually doing anything.

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[info]msmichelle
2005-09-04 02:43 pm UTC (link)
Do you understand what a clusterfuck the federal, state, and local government is by nature? That's why we saw the response being what it was when things took a different course.
Complain all you want, it's not part of the solution, though.

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(no subject) - [info]emagill, 2005-09-05 03:12 am UTC
DU
[info]j_deal
2005-09-04 07:12 am UTC (link)
I went to the Democratic Underground just prior to the Hurricane hitting -I have no lcue if this is a fringe group or not, was just looking for Dem forums...

And before the hurricane even hit, they were strategizing how to blame the president. Finding old articles about defunding of levees, global warming etc... With the caveat, just in case New Orleans does flood, here are the smoking guns.

My jaw dropped. Though I'm sure if a Dem was in power, the Republican forums would be doing the same.

P.S. Anyone else think this disaster makes Guilliana the frontrunner for the 2008 Nom? Has good leadership versus bad, ever been on display better?

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Re: DU
[info]emagill
2005-09-05 03:47 am UTC (link)
Yeah, it's the problem of mass mobilization. Both political parties do it, and it's unethical in each. The reason the Libertarian party doesn't have broad-based power is because it is unwilling and unable to be corrupt enough to be effective; we don't have spin doctors behind the scenes telling us how to think, and we don't have little round table discussions about how we're going to blame the other guy. We're honest, and in politics, that's self-destructive.

P.S. I'd love to see Gulliani go into the race, and this might make a good counter-point to his behavior after 9/11. Contrasts are always good. Unfortunately, Gulliani isn't the most entertaining orator or debator, nor is he hardcore neoconservative enough for the modern Republican Party, so I'm not sure he has the strength to make it through the primaries. I could certainly be wrong, and I'd be wrong happily if that's the case.

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[info]msmichelle
2005-09-04 02:41 pm UTC (link)
Right on.

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[info]tufted
2005-09-04 04:00 pm UTC (link)
amen.

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[info]trancendenz
2005-09-04 08:09 pm UTC (link)
Totally.

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[info]erniecu73
2005-09-04 09:52 pm UTC (link)
Indeed

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[info]really_living
2005-09-05 04:58 am UTC (link)
I like you. AND Anderson Cooper, but I think that's more of a girly crush I have on him and just a general liking for you, particularly because of your closing statement:

If you think that kind of poverty is bad, you should have been alive in the thirties or, better yet, just go to Africa for a while and get a little perspective on what a great providing country you are lucky to live in.

As someone whose family lives in North Africa, I just have to say that this is an EXCELLENT POINT.

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[info]emagill
2005-09-05 05:00 am UTC (link)
Thank you.

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[info]gunslnger
2005-09-05 08:34 am UTC (link)
people didn't want to hear politicians pat themselves on the back or insult each other when there were rats feeding on decaying bodies in the streets.

Politicians ARE rats feeding on decaying bodies.

GW should be standing on the deck with a bullhorn like he did on 9/11, not playing guitar with some country music buddies.

Just a different kind of photo-op. Has to match the agenda.

remember, no matter how evil you think he is, he can't control the fucking weather!

But he's still evil, and that has to be pointed out at every opportunity until people get it into their head.

To those who think Katrina has something to do with global warming, start doing some real research and learn the goddamn facts.

It has to do with the FACT that the Gulf of Mexico is 2 degrees warmer than usual right now. Whether that's related to global warming or not is speculative. But the question of why it's warmer does need to be answered, hopefully before the next big storm.

And, lastly, to those of you who are concerned about the high poverty rate of New Orleans, I agree that it is sad, but it is not something that politics can fix

Probably because in this case, it was helped along by politics.

And this has absolutely nothing to do with Iraq, for the love of fuck!

Other than the lack of money, and the lack of some National Guard troops...

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[info]emagill
2005-09-05 08:47 am UTC (link)
I don't mean to insult you, but you're exactly the type of person I'm mad at.

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