Luna ([info]luna_k) wrote in [info]liberalrage,
@ 2005-09-25 14:18:00
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Me & Lauren At the DC March
It's the next day and I'm *still* too exhausted and braindead for serious commentary, but I'm gonna give it a whirl now. Warning: lots of pics, very dial-up unfriendly.

Oh, and sidenote: today's front page WaPo coverage starts off saying "tens of thousands of people" were marching. That's total bullshit - the figure was at least 150,000 and probably closer to 200,000 or 300,000 people. In comparison, the Freepers and counter-demonstrators had something like 200 people, who I didn't even see. ETA: According to AmericaBlog the Freepers were expecting 20,000 and LESS THAN 100 showed up. What a joke. Anyways, back to my account:

I met up with [info]bailunrui, who was decked out in pink to show solidarity with the Code Pink ladies, at Union Station around 9am to get breakfast, make signs and coordinate. We decided to stick with simple, straightforward messages - her sign read "Patriots for Peace" and mine said "Peace is Patriotic". And yes, I know I wrote the wrong URL at the bottom of the sign, shuddup. Then we did face paint - an American flag for me, a peace sign for Lauren. (I'm scared to get a peace sign on my face, because when I was 8 a guy at the carnival accidentally gave me a Mercedes Benz sign instead, and everyone laughed at me all day.) Union Station was already jam packed with protesters arriving from Amtrack trains, buses, Metro, etc and we got plenty of thumbs-up and "hell yeah!"s from people around us. Very cool.

Next, we headed got back on the Metro, met lots more cool people (including some who worked for Jane Goodall!) and started out to the Ellipse where the Rally and March was getting started. First though, I got Lauren to take a pic of me in front of the EPA.



Because the way this administration is going, the EPA is going to be a Halliburton gift shop in two years. Anyways, down at the Ellipse, we saw the famed "Camp Casey" for Cindy Sheehan's son.





More profound and moving were the displays of crosses and empty boots, symbolizing the more than 1900 U.S. soldiers killed in Iraq.







Very intense. Oh, and we saw the famous Grover Norquist quote about government:



Nice irony, asshat. Here's a couple more:


[Bwah!]


[Yes, yes we do.]


[There were TONS of veterans running around, some from Vietnam but a lot more young Iraq War veterans. It was beautiful.]


Next we headed over to the... um, was it still the Ellipse, or was it the White House Lawn? Whatever, there was a bunch of speakers. One great speaker was a Congresswoman from somewhere, who really spoke from the heart and got us all applauding. Jesse Jackson spoke as well, and he was *amazing*. In between speakers, we wandered around and saw more great signage:


[Kentucky represent!]


[Tiiiiiiiiiiiiin roof! Rusted.]


[Indeed.]


[Brits hate Bush too!]


[Lauren in front of the White House]


[The pink sign says "Healthcare Not Warfare". YES.]


After Jesse, the Congresswoman, and a couple other good speakers, Cindy Sheehan came on. Now I understand why she inspired thousands to sit with her & burn in the Texas sun in August - the woman is ELECTRIFYING. She really makes you feel her pain, and makes you want to go out and make a difference. CINDY, MUCH LOVE.

Then there were some other speakers, and.... hmmm. I'm not sure how to really address this. Basically, ANSWER had a bunch of people come up there and speak about how Israel is illegally occupying Palestine, and that the recent Gaza pullout was not enough, and we all need to work towards freeing Palestine, etc etc for like an hour. In between the talk of freeing Palestine, there was also discussions of freeing Haiti, and freeing Cuba, and some other stuff. Which made me extremely uncomfortable. The thing is, I really don't want to get involved in any of that Israel/Palestine discussion, because I don't truly understand what it's about, and it's not my cause. I didn't come out yesterday to talk about Palestine or Haiti - I CAME OUT TO TALK ABOUT THE IRAQ WAR and that's it. I thought ANSWER was going to limit the message to that issue alone, but I guess that flew out the window. Not cool, ANSWER. I think those guys are a real hindrance to the larger peace movement, honestly, and if I find out they're the major organizer of the next anti-war rally I'll probably stay home.

So, yeah, I was getting increasingly uncomfortable with the direction of the rally speakers - not to mention, they were still going on an hour after they were supposed to stop. So we headed out towards the Pennsylvania Avenue main march.

SO MANY PEOPLE OMG. And we weren't moving, like, at all, because a bunch of road blocks had people bottlenecking at several points. But the good part was getting to see more signage and take "gratuitous crowd shot" pics.


















[Jesus, Prince of Peace. Amen.]


We hadn't gone on the march route more than a couple blocks when 2 unfortunate things happened - (1) the overcast sky finally started to drizzle and rain, and (2) I started to get dizzy, lightheaded and like I was going to pass out. I think it was a combination of having a really stressful week on top of marching/standing in place with so many thousands of people invading my personal space bubble. Whatever brought it on, I knew that I'd put in my protest time and needed to get out. So I asked Lauren if we could bail, and she graciously agreed. Thanks, babe!

Next, we headed back to Union Station (pushing our way thru the jam-packed Metro trains, which were at rush-hour capacity) and had lunch at a fabulous Uno's. Keeping with the DC spirit, they had special benches labeled "Democrats" to the left and "Republicans" to the right. (Guess which bench gets used more often in DC.) We had a great table overlooking the train station main hall, and a fabulously liberal waiter (remember - DC and all) named Austin who asked us about the protesting. Because he was so adorable and liberal, we asked if we could take his picture:


[Awwww, what a cutie!]


Also, we gave him a 25% tip. Because liberals understand how much waiting tables for cranky DC tourists sucks. :)

That's pretty much all I can remember - but [info]bailunrui probably has more details to add, and will do her own protest-roundup post later. PS - all these pics are in my Flickr account here. :)



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[info]gabby_silang
2005-09-25 06:41 pm UTC (link)
I marched on London yesterday, but sadly neglected to bring my camera. It was good though, and big and sad and hopeful, as marches tend to be.

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[info]luna_k
2005-09-25 07:00 pm UTC (link)
That's awesome to hear there were rally's in London and all over the place yesterday. Thanks for coming out!

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[info]kimbari
2005-09-25 06:45 pm UTC (link)
I gotta say, you ROCK! :D

*loves*

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(Anonymous)
2005-09-25 06:55 pm UTC (link)
Those are totally awesome! I dig the "wanker" one XD

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[info]thisficklemob
2005-09-25 06:56 pm UTC (link)
Yay! Excellent pics, thanks for sharing.

In between the talk of freeing Palestine, there was also discussions of freeing Haiti, and freeing Cuba, and some other stuff. Which made me extremely uncomfortable.

Need I even mention how much of a peeve of mine this is? I mean, it's one thing if it's a general anti-Bush march. You come with your issue, whether it's the environment or gay rights or the School of the Americas. It may make the message overall less effective, but what are ya' gonna do, right? But this march was clearly about the Iraq War, and secondarily about Katrina, if only to show where the money isn't going, where the Guard wasn't, and how incompetent Bush is. Stay on message! Especially since you're going to be on C-Span, and you're making the whole movement look dumb. I'm not against radical condemnations of U.S. policy, but at least make them about Iraq. It's not like there's not plenty to be mad about in Iraq: the illegality of the war, the lost American lives, the lost Iraqi lives, the no-bid corporate crony rebuilding contracts, the turning of Iraq into a training ground for terrorists, which it wasn't before, Abu Ghraib... take your pick.

Talking about Cuba at this rally? Is wankery, pure and simple. Scratch your pet kink in private, k?

Not cool, ANSWER. I think those guys are a real hindrance to the larger peace movement, honestly, and if I find out they're the major organizer of the next anti-war rally I'll probably stay home.

I'm not sure it's just ANSWER. Unfortunately, I think this is one of the downfalls of liberal protests: we're all so darn liberal, and goodness knows we wouldn't want to oppress anyone by asking that they stay, I dunno, on topic. Plus we have relatively few big names willing to publically associate themselves with the protesters, so then it's turned over to people too impassioned and to stay on message.

Bah.

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[info]luna_k
2005-09-25 07:06 pm UTC (link)
But this march was clearly about the Iraq War, and secondarily about Katrina, if only to show where the money isn't going, where the Guard wasn't, and how incompetent Bush is. Stay on message!

YES. And this is one area where the "other side" is very good - they know when and how to stay on message, and will smack down anyone who goes off topic. We need to do that more often in our movement.

My biggest discomfort came from just the fact that I don't know what to make of the Palestine-Israeli conflict. They've been fighting at least 60 years over this strip of land and thousands more over idealogical differences - how am I supposed to take a side here?

At some point, the arguement in America became that if you're a republican you're supposed to be a Zionist supporter of Israel and if you're a liberal, you're supposed to support a completely "free Palestine" and kick all the Isrealis out on their ass. Which... HUH? Dude, I have Jewish friends and I have Arab friends, how am I supposed to just choose one side? It's not that simple.

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[info]thisficklemob
2005-09-25 07:36 pm UTC (link)
YES. And this is one area where the "other side" is very good - they know when and how to stay on message, and will smack down anyone who goes off topic. We need to do that more often in our movement.

Organizations like ANSWER need to start by explaining "topics" to their people – at least to their people who are allowed to speak publically for them. Because I assume the people who spoke were people from within some organization, not just random people who wanted to rant. And we as a movement need to accept that exercising basic media savvy does not make us sell-outs.

Dude, I have Jewish friends and I have Arab friends, how am I supposed to just choose one side? It's not that simple.

And even if it were that simple, neither side has the moral high ground they like to claim. People on both sides have killed innocents. I think liberals tend to argue for the Palestinians because they tend to get less mainstream sympathy, and Israel can do no wrong in some people's eyes.

I don't know that much about it, most people don't. And that would be a good reason to educate people – hold a teach-in or something. It's not a good reason to bring it up at this march. Not only is it off-topic, it's unnecessarily polarizing and alienating. I hate to say it, but it's too radical. Not everybody who's against the Iraq War is down with "Free Palestine Now!", and they shouldn't have to be. I thought that was the whole point of this march: being anti-war is now mainstream. We want soccer moms and Nascar dads to be part of this movement. Bringing up this shit is keeping them out.

Which brings me to another issue: if you're going to be speaking at a rally, dress nicely, please? It may be shallow and stupid, but I think people would be harder to dismiss as loonies if they wore suits, or at least business casual.

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[info]fairy_tale_echo
2005-09-25 10:40 pm UTC (link)
And even if it were that simple, neither side has the moral high ground they like to claim. People on both sides have killed innocents.

Freaking word, dude. There is no way to make this issue black and white by saying "And THIS is the one side that is totally right and should WIN!" because it is honestly something that has consumed *generations* of thinkers and policies and ideologies...that's why it'll never be the kind of thing you can just wrap up with a few policy changes and new laws. Sadly.

I am reminded of an Onion "What Do You Think?" feature about Israel/Palestine and one of the "people on the street" answered something like, Can someone just tell me how I feel about this?

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(Anonymous)
2005-09-25 07:03 pm UTC (link)
Those are totally awesome! I dig the "wanker" one XD
-milly_monkey from lj

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[info]ladyoceanstar
2005-09-25 07:35 pm UTC (link)
I agree that the talk of Haiti and Cuba were just grandstanding, but the Isreal/Palestine thing is intrinsiclly linked to the war in Iraq. How? 9/11 happened because of our support (financial mostly, but we also give them weapons) of Isreal, who is illegally occupying Palestine. THAT is what Bin Laden, et al. hate us for the most.

I encourage you, as a politcal blogger, to please educate yourself about the situation. It's at the crux of all of our problems with radical Muslims.

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[info]thisficklemob
2005-09-25 07:47 pm UTC (link)
You're correct in some ways, but the danger in pursuing that line of rhetoric in this situation is that it opens the door to Bush's fallacious linkage of Iraq and 9-11. If this rally had been about 9-11... say a couple weeks ago at that ridiculous patriotism rally... then it would be relevant. But Iraq is a whole new reason for radical Islamists to hate us, and is radicalizing for formerly moderate Muslims and ordinary Iraqis.

Our support of Israel is nothing compared to our invasion and occupation of Iraq. As a columnist I read pointed out, before the Iraq War, Indonesian Muslims couldn't picture American tanks rolling down the streets of Jakarta. After our unprovoked and illegal war on Iraq? They can. And that's why it's a bigger problem than Israel/Palestine. Before we were resented and hated by radical Muslims for various reasons, including Israel, but also including our bases in Saudi Arabia, etc. But the problem we had then was just with radical Muslims. Now? Now we have a PR problem with mainstream Muslims, because we seem to be making war on their entire civilization.

You're right that Israel/Palestine is closer to being on topic than Haiti and Cuba, but I still think it wasn't the time or place to bring it up.

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[info]ladyoceanstar
2005-09-25 07:56 pm UTC (link)
I guess I should have been more clear. :-) I KNOW there is no link between 9/11 and Iraq. However, Bush used 9/11 as a way to get into Iraq, and fooled enough of the American people to agree with him. I get so sick and tired of hearing rednecks and the politically unsavy say things like "They hate us because we're free!" *rolls eyes* So, I think it's important to educate people on the Isreal/Palestine thing, as it then opens up new channels of understanding about how big a fraud the Iraq war is! I mean, if people know *why* 9/11 happened, they can then see that it had nothing to do with Iraq OR Afghanistan. It was some very radical, mostly Saudi, Muslims. (and no, I am in no-way calling anyone on this blog "politically unsavy :-)

And I heartily agree that we are in a PR NIGHTMARE with Muslims everywhere. I mean if we can seemingly link 9/11 to Iraq as a means to invade them, then why *not* Indonesia? If I were in a predominatly Muslim country, I'd be wary of the US as well.

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[info]thisficklemob
2005-09-25 08:38 pm UTC (link)
Oh, I didn't think you thought that. I just never underestimate the ability of the right's spinmeisters to pounce on any mention of causes of terrorism and say, "See, that's why we had to go to Iraq." Or, for that matter, "You want to appease the terrorists!" Plus, it's gives them an opportunity to pigeonhole protesters as those same old leftist wackos with their same old gripes. It just seems like a risky subject to bring up at an anti-Iraq War rally for a variety of reasons, without really having a positive payoff. Other than educating people, but from what Luna says, it sounded like it didn't really do that either.

If I were in a predominatly Muslim country, I'd be wary of the US as well.

I know. Occasionally I see the stupid stuff American leaders across the board say and do in regards to Islam... like Mass. Governor Romney's statement that we should wiretap mosques... and I'm like, bitches, don't make me convert. ;-)

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[info]luna_k
2005-09-25 08:17 pm UTC (link)
*nods* Yes, what Caia said. :)

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[info]xiaomi
2005-09-25 08:00 pm UTC (link)
If the US hadn't supported Israel, would it have still happened? Yes, because at the end of the day, it was more about Saudi Arabia than about Israel, Israel just makes a useful scapegoat. I disagree with a lot of Israeli policies, but I'm not comfortable taking it that far. Is the Israeli-Palestinian thing a sticking point? Sure is, but it's not so black-and-white.

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[info]luna_k
2005-09-25 08:15 pm UTC (link)
Yes, because at the end of the day, it was more about Saudi Arabia than about Israel, Israel just makes a useful scapegoat.

That's my position as well. I think it's convienent for a lot of people to bring Palestine/Israel into the mix, because it reaffirms the Islamic world's notion that American just wants to destroy Muslims all over the world, and it motivates American Zionist's crusades as well.

I read that Tom DeLay's buddy Jack Abramoff was funnelling money to Israeli militants - either terrorists or freedom fighters, depending on who you ask. Now, how does that look to the Islamic world when our powerful Republicans are funding people they consider terrorists? It's all fucked up.

It's very difficult for me to "take a side" on the Israeli/Palestinian conflict because I hear so many different stories from Arabic, Christian and Jewish friends. If people from that part of the world can't figure it out, how am I supposed to understand it?

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[info]ladyoceanstar
2005-09-25 08:53 pm UTC (link)
Now, how does that look to the Islamic world when our powerful Republicans are funding people they consider terrorists? It's all fucked up.

Yes, it is, and that is really all I was getting at. :-) Thank you for putting it much more clearly than I did.

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[info]xiaomi
2005-09-25 09:15 pm UTC (link)
It's very difficult for me to "take a side" on the Israeli/Palestinian conflict because I hear so many different stories from Arabic, Christian and Jewish friends. If people from that part of the world can't figure it out, how am I supposed to understand it?

So true. I couldn't have said it better myself. It's so hard to be 'moderate' on this. On the one hand, I've got Jewish friends who were ready to rip my head off for not flying orange ribbons (proudly blue, thankyouverymuch). But when people start describing folks like Hamas as freedom fighters and talk like the Israelis spend their evenings coming up with new ways to oppress the Palestinians... It's so much more complicated than that. There's so many people of good will on both sides.

Yeah. So hard to be in the middle.

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[info]ladyoceanstar
2005-09-25 08:51 pm UTC (link)
Yes, because at the end of the day, it was more about Saudi Arabia than about Israel, Israel just makes a useful scapegoat.

While I agree with your general statement, I think that Israel is more than just a "useful scapegoat." Our position is almost entirely one-sided, and until we and our allies can get that through our heads, our own foreign policy is going to be a bigger threat to us than any 10 radical terrorist groups.

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[info]luna_k
2005-09-25 08:10 pm UTC (link)
I encourage you, as a politcal blogger, to please educate yourself about the situation. It's at the crux of all of our problems with radical Muslims.

Well, I do understand that basic argument - I've seen the tapes where bin Laden is talking about the Americans supporting "Israeli terrorist regimes" etc. But as for the entire Israeli/Palestinian arguement... I've read so much but I still can't figure out which group has the higher moral ground and who I'm supposed to support. I think I support a compromised 2 state solution, but neither group really wants that.

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[info]ladyoceanstar
2005-09-25 08:56 pm UTC (link)
Oh, there are many sides of the argument, and that's exactly the point! The only side we are taking is that of Israel, and it pisses the Palestinians and the rest of the Muslim world off. More than that, like you pointed out before, we send lots of funding to Israel, furthering the contempt for us.

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[info]fuzzyspacekitty
2005-09-25 07:57 pm UTC (link)
oooooh, wow, that totally makes me wish I was there. Thanks for posting!
And yeah, they always underestimate our numbers. Grr.

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[info]kellyhk
2005-09-25 08:30 pm UTC (link)
Great photos!

Was in Madison yesterday and got a new bumpersticker for my car. Figured the year of mourning was up and the Kerry 2004 sticker needed to get replaced, so I opted with one from DemocracyforWisconsin.org:

Defend America:
Impeach Bush

LOVED your sign that "Peace is Patriotic." It bugs me to the Nth degree that the yellow ribbons and flag imagery is not just for supporting our troops that are in a war whether they want to be or not, but has become replaced with the Relgious Right/Wingnut Conservatives edict that patriotism is blind faith and absolute support for the war itself. It is one reason I will NEVER put one of those yellow ribbon magnets on my car. The support has been perverted into a lemming mentality. And I LOATHE it (coughOPIcough) when idiots label one as Unamerican to think other than in this goosestepping way.

Peace is a wonderful standard to uphold. You can support the army while promoting true (not ourway or the highway versions thereof) peace and international dialogue.

And wow, have I gone off on a tangent. Anyhow, Luna, thanks for sharing!

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[info]fishsanwitt
2005-09-25 08:57 pm UTC (link)
The protest looks *amazing* - thank you for posting *and* marching :)

::hugs::

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[info]joec80
2005-09-25 09:08 pm UTC (link)
Looks like it was a lot of fun. Wish we could've been out that way to take part, believe me that I will be one of those 'Veteran War Protestors' once I return home.

Thanks to all who went for marching for those of us overseas!

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Awesome
[info]czarinax
2005-09-25 09:31 pm UTC (link)
Great pictures! We had a great turn out too and until I get my pics transferred you all can go to http://www.indybay.org/antiwar/
to check out some of ours : )
Last night I caught the speakers on CSPAN in DC and was very pleased!


Peace -

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[info]oh_loverrr
2005-09-25 09:39 pm UTC (link)
i'm LOVING your photos. thank you so much for sharing.

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[info]fairy_tale_echo
2005-09-25 11:11 pm UTC (link)
AWESOME! I am so glad you were both there representing all of us! You make me so proud. You put your feet where your mouth is, baby! :D

I am personally fond of the "Prince of Peace" banner. Thought of your Christianity lately, Dubya?

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[info]txvoodoo
2005-09-25 11:29 pm UTC (link)
I saw one woman interviewed who was from Louisiana - she had a sign: "Make levees, not war".

<3

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[info]dualbunny
2005-09-26 01:47 am UTC (link)
Wonderful--thanks for sharing!

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[info]gemprin
2005-09-29 05:51 pm UTC (link)
it was a great protest! and the funny thing of it all-when we got arrested on monday....we were not read our miranda rights!

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[info]leahmichelle
2005-10-02 08:16 pm UTC (link)
Thank you so much for posting pictures. My husband and I would have loved to be there, but ugh... he's in Iraq instead. Once he returns we'll be visiting DC, we owe you a drink =D

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[info]leahmichelle
2005-10-02 08:19 pm UTC (link)
And I didn't notice he'd already commented to thank you. He's got 1/2 his office in Ramadi reading [info]liberalrage, you should be proud!

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