Le Vicomte de Valmont ([info]valmont_1782) wrote in [info]lesliaisons1782,
@ 2006-09-26 21:27:00
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Lettre LXXXIX: Le Vicomte de Valmont au Chevalier Danceny
Si vos affaires ne vont pas toujours aussi vite que vous le voudriez, mon ami, ce n'est pas tout à fait à moi qu'il faut vous en prendre. J'ai ici plus d'un obstacle à vaincre. La vigilance et la sévérité de Madame de Volanges ne sont pas les seuls; votre jeune amie m'en oppose aussi quelques-uns. Soit froideur, ou timidité, elle ne fait pas toujours ce que je lui conseille; et je crois cependant savoir mieux qu'elle ce qu'il faut faire.

J'avais trouvé un moyen simple, commode et sûr, de lui remettre vos lettres, et même de faciliter, par la suite, les entrevues que vous désirez: mais je n'ai pu la décider à s'en servir. J'en suis d'autant plus affligé, que je n'en vois pas d'autre pour vous rapprocher d'elle; et que même pour votre correspondance, je crains sans cesse de nous compromettre tous trois. Or, vous jugez que je ne veux ni courir ce risque-là, ni vous y exposer l'un et l'autre.

Je serais pourtant vraiment peiné que le peu de confiance de votre petite amie m'empêchât de vous être utile: peut-être feriez-vous bien de lui en écrire. Voyez ce que vous voulez faire, c'est à vous seul à décider; car ce n'est pas assez de servir ses amis, il faut encore les servir à leur manière. Ce pourrait être aussi une façon de plus de vous assurer de ses sentiments pour vous; car la femme qui garde une volonté à elle n'aime pas autant qu'elle le dit.

Ce n'est pas que je soupçonne votre Maîtresse d'inconstance; mais elle est bien jeune: elle a grand-peur de sa Maman, qui, comme vous le savez, ne cherche qu'à vous nuire; et peut-être serait-il dangereux de rester trop longtemps sans l'occuper de vous. N'allez pas cependant vous inquiéter à un certain point de ce que je vous dis là. Je n'ai dans le fond nulle raison de méfiance; c'est uniquement la sollicitude de l'amitié.

Je ne vous écris pas plus longuement, parce que j'ai bien aussi quelques affaires pour mon compte. Je ne suis pas aussi avancé que vous: mais j'aime autant, et cela console; et quand je ne réussirais pas pour moi, si je parviens à vous être utile, je trouverai que j'ai bien employé mon temps. Adieu, mon ami.

Du Château de ..., ce 26 septembre 17**



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[info]17catherines
2006-09-27 01:34 am UTC (link)
And Brutus is an honorable man...

I do love the way he accuses Cecile of losing interest in Danceny, but then says that of course he has no reason really to suspect her of this, except that, well, she is rather anxious about being found out by her mother - but no! Of course he has no reason really to suspect that she is losing interest in Danceny.

Oh yes, Danceny will certainly be reassured by that.

Valmont may not achieve the Marquise's levels of manipulative brilliance, but given his targets, this should more than suffice.

Catherine, also noting more of the special logic-that-is-not-logic in this letter, not that Danceny is bright enough to recognise it

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[info]aramis_chan
2006-09-27 04:46 pm UTC (link)
And of course, he's totally not telling Danceny what exactly he should do! "peut-être feriez-vous bien de lui en écrire. Voyez ce que vous voulez faire, c'est à vous seul à décider". Yeah, right

I guess I'm fooled by the cold tone of the letter that's probably fake as well, but I can just see him getting Cécile's letter, shrugging, and simply writing this down without even needing to think much.

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[info]17catherines
2006-09-28 12:14 am UTC (link)
Oh, I don't see him as writing it quite that coldly and casually... He's taken a certain amount of care over the letter - after all, if Cecile actually continued in that vein, she could ruin all his and Merteuil's plans for her...

Catherine, once again wishing for a character who combined both virtue and intelligence

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for a character who combined both virtue and intelligence
[info]_niece
2006-09-28 07:51 am UTC (link)
Wait a little - you'll get one. The best and most likable person in the whole story is about to make an appearance.

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Re: for a character who combined both virtue and intelligence
[info]17catherines
2006-09-28 11:48 am UTC (link)
You have no idea how relieved I am to know that! I'm finding it quite painful to watch each of these characters going to hell in his or her own way, because I can find something to like in each of them (with the exception of Danceny, who can go to hell as fast as he likes for all I care).

I do find this format, in which events unfold in real time, extremely compelling, but it's also like watching a train wreck in slow motion - all these disasters happening, and no way to stop them, or even get them over with. It's much more emotionally involving than simply reading a book, which I could skim faster and faster to get past the parts I find disturbing... but of course, I would miss much of what makes it worth reading, too.

Catherine

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Re: for a character who combined both virtue and intelligence
[info]foudebassan
2006-09-28 12:20 pm UTC (link)
That's how I envision the novel - long dark winter evenings, all the company gathered in front of the fire, one single person reading aloud, close to the candle... switching readers so that each character from the novel gets to have a different voice... and then everyone discussing it like we do, only in person :D

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Re: for a character who combined both virtue and intelligence
[info]_niece
2006-09-28 01:56 pm UTC (link)
I think we get the better time of it - we can go back to earlier letters and get response at any time. Your fireside readers couldn't do that. On the other side, they'd have more atmosphere.

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Re: for a character who combined both virtue and intelligence
[info]foudebassan
2006-09-28 03:13 pm UTC (link)
We also have a gazillion other things to look at. I proofread some of the letters, and then I'm pretty concentrated, but when I just read the other letters in the comm I keep an eye on my email, sometimes have to answer the phone, have people coming in and out that require attention, and am perhaps trying to listen to the printer too see whether whoever's printing a bloody novel is finished so that I can carry on with actual work.

People back then would've have been rather bored - no light means no real work, after all. Their whole attention would've been concentrated on the speaker, and I'm pretty sure they would end up knowing parts of it by heart after one single reading.

Or perhaps I'm just romanticising the whole affair, of course :D

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Re: for a character who combined both virtue and intelligence
[info]17catherines
2006-09-29 06:13 am UTC (link)
That would be heaps of fun to do, actually. Not that this isn't, of course!

Catherine, pondering which of her real life friends would enjoy playing...

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Re: for a character who combined both virtue and intelligence
[info]_niece
2006-09-28 01:55 pm UTC (link)
Very true. I began even to get text-related dreams - lately saw Valmont accompanied by the behind-the-screen voice Vous me connaissez; je n'ai pas besoin de vous peindre ma fureur (in Russian translation). It was terrifying, I can tell you. And I think I've heard your train metaphor before - and exactly in connection with this novel. It describes the impression to a nicety.

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Re: for a character who combined both virtue and intelligence
[info]17catherines
2006-09-29 06:26 am UTC (link)
I must say, it's rather reassuring to know that I'm not the only one finding that the characters have taken up residence in her head! Not so much talking in my dreams (thank goodness - the dream you mention does indeed sound terrifying), but I really do find myself worrying about them. And when reading a brief biography of the Lavoisiers a few days ago, I found myself wondering about how they would have interacted with the characters in this novel - being contemporaries, as far as I can tell, but moving in very different circles.

I'm not surprised you've heard the train wreck metaphor before. It isn't mine, I'm afraid - it's in pretty common use to describe the kind of fascinating / hypnotic effect of watching a personal disaster unfold without being able to affect it (particularly, I think, in the context of relationships or self-sabotage) - it hurts to watch, but you can't take your eyes off it...

Catherine

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