美夢 ([info]_miyuchan_) wrote in [info]kkm_wolframfans,
@ 2006-05-01 15:16:00
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KKM last novel spoilers (a little general first and then all about Wolf)
The new KKM novel was officially released in Japan today, but it's been 5 days that it was available on online shopping store and that's why I got to know spoilers before.
Now, the most important thing for me is to thank lovely [info]ritsu2 for scanning for me the last 4 pages of the book, without her I definitely wouldn't have been able to translate the most important part literally. (important because it has Wolfram, and I guess people want to know about him in this comm.)
Now the rest.
Let me tell you, Takabayashi sensei is bad, she didn't show him until the last 4 pages and then;_;
I'm trying to sum up the situation so you can have a good view of the rest too..I wait for your comments, mine were very sad and biased on Yuuram part so you are free to skip them ok?
Be aware the first cut has looong text under.


It's not easy to sum up what happened in the novels, the first thing you must know is that they are totally different from the anime you've watched.
Conrad is still in betrayal mode even if he and Yuuri had a "moment" when it seemed like they reconciled.
Yuuri didn't trust Conrad since the Dai Shimaron arch...7 novels ago.
In this moment however we see two groups separated (I have the last two novels but I miss the two before so I don't have a good idea of what was happening before)
The groups were Conrad, Yozak, Yuuri and Saralegi <--king of Shou Shimaron and the second group was Wolfram, Adelbert and Gisela, Wolfram as always is looking for Yuuri because he is worried and well because you know Wolfram, where Yuuri is it's his place after all.
But then, it's been some novels that they were separated and I had hoped that in this novel they could finally meet again.
Another thing you must know is that we don't have any news of Yozak after the novel before this one, Yuuri thinks he is dead.
Conrad was busy fighting with Zombies (the same showed in Soushi's anime arch I think) and Yuuri was left alone with Saralegi who seemed to be a nice person.(at least he was until..now ._.)
But then Yuuri for no apparent reason at the end of the last book became blind(probably due to stress..not sure), Saralegi in the mean time tortured him for 5 days without giving him water and tried to strangle him.
Conrad saved him just in time.
Murata in the meantime is on earth, trying to go to Shin Makoku and is worried because he heard Yuuri's voice (pleas of help?) in his mind. (it was when Saralegi was torturing him)
Then Conrad as I said saves him just in time.
I'll skip all the Conrad/Yuuri parts because I just don't feel like writing them here, (but if you want to know just ask, I would suggest to ask to some ConYuu fan tho..I'm sure they can explain these scenes way better than me), some spoilers made me worry too much (as a Yuuram fan) especially on one scene, but then in reality there was a big misunderstanding and I learned to not believe in what some Conyuu jap websites write^_- (especially in a particular scene wher it was mentioned a mouth-to-mouth thing that never happened^^::)
But during this chapter I think Yuuri started again to trust Conrad.
So we have, Conrad and Yuuri now alone, Yuuri telling Conrad he thinks Yozak is dead (no he can't be dead;_; really;_;) and from here I'll start the narration of what happened at the end of this novel especially in the last 4 pages.
At the end of the book Yuuri his hiding, Conrad left him alone for a little while because he went to check on something (apparently he heard some noise and wanted to check).
While Yuuri was hiding a person covered in a cloak appeared.
Yuuri remained still but then, something made him think it was Conrad and so he started to call his name, he just said - Co..- and then realized it was not Conrad and they started to fight, or better, the cloak covered person attacked him and he was trying to run away. (remember, Yuuri is still blind, he can distinguish light and darkness but he can't see humans if not in a very approximative way, like a child's drawing)
Then, when he really realized that this person wanted to kill him the Maou came out but Yuuri kept his consciousness and felt himself talking in a voice that was not his own.. ..(it's like..Yuuri developing a third personality that he can't control and that is very..aggressive)
The Maou attacked the opponent whose sword broke while he was attacking...and stabbed him.
From here I'm translating literally:
"The opponent body's lurched, the air was filled with a rusty smell and the body collapsed on me, but in that moment, without any doubt....I remembered this scent and I was confused because it was not only blood...
- Wolf...? -
-....Yu... -
My cuff and palm were soaked with something tiepid. Wolfram's weight fell heavily on my shoulders.
- Wolfram!?-
-....Yuuri-
While I embraced him I gently kneeled on the ground.
- I couldn't see, really, I didn't know! -
- Me too. I heard a different voice...it's not...your...fault-
- Wolf!-

Everybody, he too says that is't not my fault.
But the truth is that it's all my fault.


Yeah for who didn't get it, Wolfram was stabbed by Yuuri.
And the book ends on Yuuri's word in the end.
Basically, Wolfram said he heard a voice that was not Yuuri's voice, but since he attacked instantly it's possible that he heard this voice before attacking.
That leaves open the option that, being that place very scary and cursed (Yuuri became blind there) something else happened and made them..fight each other without knowing who the opponent was;_;
Wolfram was stabbed really bad..and we won't get to know what happen very soon since next novel release is yet to be scheduled....
That's all about my explanation





As a Yuuram fan, I found this book really unfair at the beginning.
You can't know how much time Conrad spent with Yuuri, instead Wolfram who gets always separated from Yuuri when he finally had a chance to see him again is stabbed.
I wrote a lot of comments on my lj about that but if you are a Conrad fan just skip them, because I'm quite bashing Conrad (I could't help it I was really ANGRY at some rumors before knowingthat they were false), thing I won't do here because it wouldn't be fair for the comm^^;;;
For Yuuri and Wolfram: (pasted almost entirely from my lj)
Their only scene touched me a lot, first because Yuuri without words, recognized Wolfram from his scent...his scent, he didn't need his voice to know who was the person there...as long as he feels his scent he knows it's Wolfram...even if well, it was the most unthinkable option since Yuuri didn't know that Wolfram was coming there and he definitely expected anyone but him.
Then the fact he remembered his scent..it made me feel warm inside and touched me a lot.
And then I loved the way he embraced Wolfram and gently kneeled on the ground with him...it made me think to someone who holds something precious and is afraid to break it.
Well, in this case Wolfram is really hurt but, then I liked and it touched me the choosing of the words for this part.
It was simply something I could picture in my mind, Yuuri kneeling on the ground with a hurt Wolfram in his arms..it was this bittersweet feeling thinking that Wolfram travelled all over the world AGAIN to find Yuuri and in the end when they finally meet again a misunderstanding (very suspicious) made them first fight each other and then, see them remaining there with Wolfram who's probably more happy to have found Yuuri than worried of his own condition and Yuuri who has him in his arms kneeling on the ground and blaming himself.
It's too bittersweet...how I hate Takabayashi sensei for leaving us hanging in this way.
(honestly, if KKM was BL this would have been the climax of the two lovers scene, you know, like in those books or movies where the lovers found each other again after a long time and are at the same time separated by a cruel joke of fate..but then KKM is not BL^^;)



And that's all..
You're free to comment as much as you want also answering to other replies and discuss..
Douzo

P.S. Doujinshi scans are on their way.




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[info]csakuras
2006-05-01 02:09 pm UTC (link)
Wow... o__o; The novels sound pretty dark and lacking of Yuuram. The third personality thing scares me, though. Poor Yuuri, he's had it tough. D:

...Conrad will heal Wolfram or something!! Or...at least...get a healer? *doesn't understand the circumstances so is only guessing*

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[info]_miyuchan_
2006-05-01 02:24 pm UTC (link)
Well sadly yes, Yuuri is really a complicated chara...

I don't know, I know that Gisela too is there with Wolfram (even if apparently Wolfram was alone?) and then yuuri too can heal..but then, this cliffhanger is the worst I've ever read ._.

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[info]threewalls
2006-05-01 02:09 pm UTC (link)
I know as a Conrad/Yozak fan, I'm interested in how Conrad took the news of Yozak's 'death'. Could you give any more detail about that?

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[info]_miyuchan_
2006-05-01 02:21 pm UTC (link)
Conrad got to know about Yozak death from Yuuri after he saved him from Saralegi but then in my opinion that revelation just turned out in ConYuu..(I't just my opinion)
I couldn't read that part I just got it from some reviewing posts but I'm sure he was quite hurt and then said Yuuri something like "you can cry as much as you want in my arms"
Ahem..I didn't find it particularly "interesting" as ConYozak link tho..but then Yuuri cried on Conrad back(not his arms) and since the novel is told by Yuuri's POV we can't know what face Conrad had in that moment, first because he was giving Yuuri his back and then because Yuuri is blind at that moment so..
But I'm sure he was really sad and hurting for that

In anycase I am absolutely sure Yozak is alive >_< He must be!

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[info]sara_miko
2006-05-01 03:01 pm UTC (link)
As a Yuuram fan, I like the points you talked about - and hopefully the next volume will *not* be such a cliffy! >_< I think Wolfram's alright though, and they reconcile again. No, Yozak can't be dead! That's not his style! (or is Yozak's character different in the manga?)

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[info]_miyuchan_
2006-05-01 03:15 pm UTC (link)
Sadly the novels are very dark ._.
Last novel ended with Yuuri suddenly becoming blind, this one with Yuuri stabbing Wolfram.. but next one should be the end of this arch so maybe we can hope in a better ending >_<

In anycase I'm absolutely sure that Wolfram as he said is not angry at Yuuri, it's not his fault after all..I just hope he is saved.

Yozak chara is almost the same in the novels^_^

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[info]nekochiri
2006-05-01 03:03 pm UTC (link)
*___* Now I can't wait to hear about more!

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[info]_miyuchan_
2006-05-01 03:16 pm UTC (link)
that's all I can tell you for now, I'll get the novel in May, but then there is a website that is slowly translating the novels, fore now they just have the first 50 pages of the first one but little by little maybe..^_-

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[info]sae_chan
2006-05-01 04:02 pm UTC (link)
I'm a Yuuram fan as well.. so I really like the points you said..
It's really sweet that Yuuri can distinguish Wolf by just his scent..
I hope the next novel won't be so depresing...
Thanks for sharing! ^^

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[info]_miyuchan_
2006-05-01 04:19 pm UTC (link)
Sou ne, and also, there are two ways in japanese to say "scent".
The normal/bad word is "nioi" that is "smell" and is used for indecifrable smells and smells..not positive (Yuuri uses nioi when he talks about Conrad) and then "kaori" who has a good connotation and it means "scent" "fragrance" and also "perfume"
He used this word to describe Wolfram's scent, implying maybe that he liked it?^_^
I know I sound too hopeful but at this point due to the dramatic situation I was trying to pay an exceptional attention to all the words used in japanee^^;;;(it's important after all)

I hope this too, and no problem^_^

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(no subject) - [info]sae_chan, 2006-05-01 05:43 pm UTC

[info]innocentwater
2006-05-01 04:23 pm UTC (link)
Ooh, that is sad. :( But I, too, liked when Yuuri said he knew the scent. There's something romantic and sensual about that, and there's something symbolic in stabbing Wolfram, though poor Wolf! Don't worry, I'm sure all will be made up for in the next novel.

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[info]_miyuchan_
2006-05-01 04:28 pm UTC (link)
sou ne, there is something really beautiful in that...
I hope next novel will see my Wolf alive;_;

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(no subject) - [info]innocentwater, 2006-05-01 05:00 pm UTC
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[info]bard_of_death
2006-05-01 07:08 pm UTC (link)
i wish i could read/understand japanese cause then i'd be all over these books. it makes me angry that i've only seen the anime and the anime and the books are very different.

and i suppose we're lucky that it isnt a BL novel, but i think most of us wish it was lol

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[info]_miyuchan_
2006-05-01 07:28 pm UTC (link)
^^; being a Yuuram fan I don't know if it would be a good idea that the novel were BL...because then it would be ConYuu all the way (because novel Conrad doesn't have any problem with touching..on the contrary he likes it)

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(no subject) - [info]bard_of_death, 2006-05-01 11:30 pm UTC

[info]soraki
2006-05-01 07:25 pm UTC (link)
Is there anywhere you can get the english translations? Is there any official english translation novel thingy I can buy?? I have no clue how different the books are from the anime. x___X

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[info]_miyuchan_
2006-05-01 07:30 pm UTC (link)
Ok know just one website that is doing translations of KKM novels, this one
Click on kyou kara maou section, but there only the firs 50 pages of the first novel..it's a really hard job to translate them, they're not the easier japanese...

As far as I know there are no official english translations, gomen.(I'm not american/english myself too^^;)

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[info]melodi_chan
2006-05-01 07:47 pm UTC (link)
What a cliffhanger. XD

I was curious about the whole stabbing incident.

It'll work out, methinks. Conrad's going to come back and Yuuri knows healing, ne? ^^

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[info]_miyuchan_
2006-05-01 08:01 pm UTC (link)
I hope so..I wouldn't believe in conrad so much tho..but then I'm still in *angry mode* with him since he touched Yuuri too much in this novel..my opinion about him now is very biased

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[info]maiyura
2006-05-01 11:50 pm UTC (link)
Thank you so much for posting this. I wish my Japanese was better so I could read the novels too.

Thank you for not just writing the plot, but for focusing on the words that are used, like the difference between "smell" and "scent" and pointing out that the way Yuuri describes Wolfram is quite different from the way he describes other characters.

I'm sure Wolfram will be okay, but I feel so bad that the novel ended with a cliffhanger, especially when most of it was about Conrad and Yuuri. You finally got to the Yuuram stuff and it had to end. How frustrating!

Thank you again!!!

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[info]_miyuchan_
2006-05-01 11:57 pm UTC (link)
No problem!!
I have the same feeling, poor Wolf, now that he met his beloved Yuuri again he gets stabbed by him >_<
*hugs wolf*

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[info]lurel
2006-05-02 01:32 am UTC (link)
OMIGOSH!!!! (TT^TT) So sad......! (;_;) *sniffsniffwah*



~Lurel

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[info]_miyuchan_
2006-05-02 10:23 am UTC (link)
*hands a tissue*

Yeah;_;

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[info]sora_morikawa
2006-05-02 01:40 am UTC (link)
OMG thank you soo much for posting! T_T you're sooo rigthis soo bittersweet.. he can't... that can't happen.
^^ when I read about the smell I went all fangirl about it!
thanx aagain
*___* a bit of Muraken!
*goes to read to your lj* =D

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[info]_miyuchan_
2006-05-02 10:23 am UTC (link)
^^;;; my lj is a place full of fangirling for Yuuram, for Muraken better info I think you'll have to wait that I'll have the novel in my hand^O^
Gomeeeen

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[info]ruby_dream
2006-05-02 08:03 am UTC (link)
NOO! NOOOO!!! T___T Wolfram is going to die!? HE is dying?!! *faints* Yuuri should heal him!

The scene is quite touching...but it's still painful that it has to end like that...noo...nooooo...Why Takabayashi can be so cruel? After a TOO short Yuuram, and it's too cruel! T_T The most painful meeting I've ever known...

Yuuri stabbed him nearly to death...OMG...*wails* Thank you for the spoiler T_T

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[info]_miyuchan_
2006-05-02 10:22 am UTC (link)
We don't know ._.
And the worst part is that the release of the next novel is not scheduled yet and it should be probably sometime in 2007...;_; we have to wait too long;_

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[info]kataru
2006-05-03 06:08 am UTC (link)
@_@ so dark... and angst...

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[info]_miyuchan_
2006-05-03 05:55 pm UTC (link)
yeah, kkm novels are all so dark sadly ._.

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[info]urashima4869
2006-05-04 05:41 am UTC (link)
I wonder if the manga'll follow the novel every step...
I guess Wolfram should be quite popular in Japan now, doesn't it? (I mean because of anime) If it is, I wish Temari-sensei will add more Wolfram in her manga work.

About the spoil... Is Takabayashi-sensei trying to improve Wolfram's importance? Anyway, I don't know how many volumes of books shi will write... Yuuri stabbed Wolfram was quite dramatic-like. I'm sure he's not going to die... T_T

Poor Yuuri and Wolf...

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[info]_miyuchan_
2006-05-04 02:48 pm UTC (link)
it's probably going to happen since the manga is the novel transposition plus fanservice...
Wolfram is popular and is also the author fave chara but Temari sensei is not the author of the novels, she just draws the illustrations and now is drawing the manga.
But then, since she is a ConYuu fan there is waay too much unrequested ConYuu fanservice (which I would gladly pass ._.) there IMHO...
Things never happened in the novel happened in the manga just for pure fanservice reasons....

Poor Yuuri and Wolf;_;

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[info]sometime
2006-05-04 10:09 am UTC (link)
Wow. It certainly seems to have a different....tone than the anime.

Wolfram~~ ;____; But maybe the incident will allow Yuuri and Wolfram to grow closer, if it turns out okay..

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[info]_miyuchan_
2006-05-04 02:51 pm UTC (link)
Yuuri and Wolfram are already really close, I've been reading the novels and I realized that if possible the relationship between them is deeper in the novels than in the anime.
Yuuri relies completely on him when they are together and compare him with the sunlight^O^
Wolfram is, in the novel, the only person Yuuri can blindly trust because he is the only one who never lied to him and is always blunt and direct.

I just hope they won't make Wolfram die...Yuuri wouldn't take it so well like he took Conrad's disappearence, also because in this case Yuuri stabbed him...

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[info]tk_04
2006-05-15 09:57 pm UTC (link)
ok... why didn't i read this before...and how in the world di I miss this... *so mad at myself* oooh... I remember now, work. ^______^ I so happy it still here for me to read. So cute when Yuuri call out Wolf name. *try to image what it will look like*

Thank you for sharing.

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[info]sparkly_mangos
2006-05-25 02:27 am UTC (link)
I hope you don't mind me asking a few questions! I'm completely new to this fandom, so I'm just a bit confused... -_-;;;

So, in KKM, there are three different "things" right? The anime, manga, and novels. I novels came first, then the anime (which is now complete?) and the manga is still on-going, following the novel, yes?

How different are the three from each other? It seems that the anime slants more towards BL, and leaves out a lot of the plot from the novel. What genre is the novel anyways? =D

Also, so I don't bombard you with millions of questions, is there a website, or some other post that explains all of this and more?

Thanks!

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[info]_miyuchan_
2006-05-25 11:37 am UTC (link)
No I don't mind at all.^^

First question, YES, novels-->anime (is complete)-->manga
For what we can see up until now the manga follows the novels plus some fanservice scenes added to make fans squeal. For example Yuuri patting Wolfram's head when he is sick or Conrad touching Yuuri's hand etc etc..
The anime just lightly hints at BL, as the novels...since the serie was aired on a national tv it was impossible to put more BL hints also because KKM is not BL. The novels genre is "fantasy/Adventure". Of course there are hints of light BL (just for the fact that yuuri got engaged with another boy it takes that way) but it's just hints and all the relationship inside can be seen as strong friendship or parental love.
I don't know any website with this explanation;_; gomen;_;

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[info]senkogc017
2006-07-19 03:04 am UTC (link)
First post in a KKM community ^0^

Well I only watched the anime thus leaving me with a better impression of Wolfram than most characters.

I never knew that the anime actually had a novel with it as well. I'm a big Yuuram fan, but I always feel like the original author's work is the 'reality' of the series which is why it sucked when I heard that the novel was mostly Conyuu. >_<

But their meeting scene that you translated made it seem like there was a credible tint of Yuuram in the novels as well.

Where exactly do you get the novels? Like I checked Amazon.com, but I didn't find any and I don't know exaclty where to get it online since I never ordered Japanese novels/manga. Could you give me a tip ^_^? I'm hoping to do a bit of translating too if I can get my hands on it. Thanks a bunch ^0^

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[info]_miyuchan_
2006-07-19 02:21 pm UTC (link)
There is Yuuram (more WolfYuu tho) in the novels from nr 6
You can try at jpqueen, putting "Kyou kara maou" I bought some of mine there ^^

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[info]phantome101
2007-09-16 06:51 pm UTC (link)
It'z really sweet how Yuuri could tell it's Wolfram just from his scent :) maybe Yuuri being blind has something to do with Saralegi?

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[info]akihime
2007-11-27 02:22 pm UTC (link)
Whoa, thanks for this!! It's amazing o_O So sweet and sad... Really makes me to want more XD

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[info]akyore
2008-01-07 06:47 am UTC (link)
Thank you so very much for the summary and translation. (TT^TT)


It's so sad, yet bittersweet. I feel like crying, at the same time, happy that Yuuri was able to recognize Wolfram just by his scent! I hope Wolfy didn't die.

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[info]tealonyx
2008-04-28 02:41 pm UTC (link)
Ano... is the continuation 4 dis out yet? if yes please do tell me what happened...*types while tears rollin down*

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[info]_miyuchan_
2008-04-28 02:52 pm UTC (link)
I replied you in the other post about the continuation^^ I hope you got the reply in the inbox

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[info]tokyo_gurl
2008-05-19 12:08 am UTC (link)
AH! d-d-did you post the continuation!? please let me no T^T

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[info]nnkhuong0312
2008-06-12 04:36 pm UTC (link)
T____T ... OMG ! I can't stand !!! That hurts so much !!! ... Wolfram ~~~

However ! Thanks for sharing !

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