TerraMadre ([info]abbydabby) wrote in [info]kansascity,
@ 2007-05-19 19:39:00
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Urgent update from Greensburg, KS [xposted]
Tornado Ravaged Greensburg, Kansas:
Kansas Mutual Aid Relief Workers forced out of city by police
Saturday May 19, 2007
by Dave Strano

On Saturday May 19, five members and volunteers affiliated with Kansas
Mutual Aid, a Lawrence based class struggle anarchist collective, made the
trek back to Greensburg to again help in relief efforts in the tornado
ravaged city. A week earlier, four KMA members had traveled to Greensburg
on a fact finding mission to assess the situation there. What KMA members
found was a militarized, entirely destroyed city where relief efforts were
moving tragically slow.

Today's trip back to Greensburg by KMA members and volunteers was intended
to solidify the bonds we had created in the first trip, and establish a
base of operations for future relief efforts. KMA spent the morning
working on a house with members of AmeriCorps, and then proceeded to meet
with contacts with the Mennonite Disaster Services.

We then headed out of town to a church just outside of city limits that we
were told would be a place we could probably set up a base camp for our
work. The church had been converted into a fire station by the state, so
we continued down the road and met a farmer who was willing to work with
us and let us use his land.

Soon after meeting the farmer, we were approached by officers with the
Dickinson County Sheriff's Department. After a brief exchange, the
officers left, and we were told to report to the Kiowa County Emergency
Response Command Post to receive official permission to set up our base of
operations. We were notified that if we did not do so, we would risk
having our operation ceased by the state.

Two of our delegation went to the Command Post, while the other three of
us went to the County Courthouse to pick up som water and provisions being
offered by the Red Cross. While we were picking up water and food, I was
approached by an Olathe Police Officer named Ty Moeder who knew my face
and identity. I was ordered to take my hands out of my pockets and follow
the officer to a side street "to avoid making a scene".

I and the other people with me followed the officer, and were repeatedly
ordered to keep our hands out of our pockets, where they could be seen by
the officer. Soon more officers approached, as well as at least one member
of the Kansas Bureau of Investigation, and some people from FEMA.
Surrounded by agents of the state, we were ordered to produce our
identification.

When I asked the police why we were being detained, Officer Moeder
responded "We need to check to see if you are affiliated with the
anarchists." At this moment, our remaining two comrades approached to see
what was happening. They were detained as well, and made to produce their
identification.

Officer Moeder asked how we had gotten in to the city. "We drove in,"
someone replied.

"They weren't supposed to let you in at the road block," responded Moeder,
seemingly frustrated and perplexed by that answer.

"They even gave us a day pass to drive in and out," we shot back.

A waiting game ensued for the next several minutes, with more officers
approaching, now numbering almost fifteen. A Lawrence police officer
approached, and was ordered to take photos of the car we had driven that
was parked down the street. Officer McNemee from the Lawrence Police
Department took extensive photos of the car, even of the inside contents
of the vehicle.

Officer Moeder ordered me to step away from the rest of the relief workers
and speak with him. "You're being ordered to leave and not return. This is
not negotiable, not appealable. You can't change it. If you return you'll
be arrested on site. And believe me, you don't want to push that right
now. This system is pretty messed up, and you wouldn't be issued bail.
You'd disappear in the system."

I asked repeatedly what we had done and why we were being ordered to leave
the city. "You're part of a dangerous anarchist group that will only drain
our security resources," he responded. "We've been monitoring your website
and e-mails, we know what kind of agenda you have."

"So this is about our political beliefs?" I asked.

"No," he responded. "This is about you being federal security threats.
Kansas Mutual Aid is not welcome in this city, end of story. I know you
are going through legitimate means to work in the city, and you're story
seems picture perfect, but we know who you are, and you're not allowed
here."

We were ordered back into our car and escorted out of the city by several
police vehicles with their lights flashing, and left just outside the
city.

We returned to Lawrence just moments ago, unhindered in our resolve to
provide support to the people in the disaster area. We will continue to
work in whatever capacity we can in the areas around the city that we may
still be allowed into, and provide support to those entering the city.

The area is a police state, to be certain. Police and Law Enforcement from
across Kansas and the country are making the rules about everything.
Relief workers were banned from Greensburg today because of their
political beliefs and work against oppression and tyrannical state
control.

A longer, more in depth update with an announcement for future action will
come soon. Please spread this story far and wide.

In love and solidarity,
Dave Strano
Kansas Mutual Aid




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[info]jaredchilders
2007-05-20 02:23 am UTC (link)
For what reason did they perceive you as a threat?

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[info]manuka
2007-05-20 02:50 am UTC (link)
A quick tour through google would indicate these guys are a bunch of quasi-communist radicals. Can't say as I'm surprised the KBI and other agencies have a watchful eye on them.

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[info]jaredchilders
2007-05-20 04:13 am UTC (link)
There's nothing illegal about being either radical or communist. Also, they describe themselves as being anarchist rather than communist.

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[info]rozberk
2007-05-20 02:38 pm UTC (link)
Only in the defense of Manuka's usage of the word 'communism' (and neither the action of the KMA's or the KBI's), it does appear that KMA's doctrine fits the classic definition of communistic anarchism.

Doctrine: http://www.mwsocialforum.org/node/709
Definition: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchist_communism

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[info]manuka
2007-05-20 06:11 pm UTC (link)
No, but some of the activities that have been associated with them and their "comrades" (their words, not mine), such as the arson of a military recruiting station in NY, are quite clearly illegal. Being a radical isn't illegal on its own. The "radical" tag, however, is usually associated with people who commit illegal acts in the name of whatever cause they espouse.

Unfortunately, I have no idea what the KMA stand for other than what came up on Google. If they have a website, it's offline.

While I'm sure they meant well, If they were perceived as a security threat worthy of state and federal resources being assigned to them, there a good chance that there's something in their past or present behaviour that put them on the "don't let them out of your sight" list.

I know other anarchists of the non-militant sort, and they're quite harmless.

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[info]megiloth
2007-05-21 03:23 am UTC (link)
While I'm sure they meant well, If they were perceived as a security threat...

Just as if the Ku Klux Klan decided to show up and lend a helping hand, I'm sure (and would hope) they would be run out of town even though they meant well. And for good reason. There are plenty of more resources to acquire help from than the fringes of society.

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[info]camella
2007-05-21 04:26 pm UTC (link)
this is a completely bogus, illogical argument.

there are no comparisons to be made between KMA and The Ku Klux Klan.

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[info]megiloth
2007-05-21 11:30 pm UTC (link)
Sure there is. Both are extremist groups with twisted ideologies. It's like Israel asking for disaster relief from Hamas or Hezbollah.

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[info]camella
2007-05-22 02:34 am UTC (link)
you've obviously never taken a logic class. because you just committed yet another logical fallacy.

Hamas and Israel can be commonly viewed (by both Israelis and the world community at large) as enemies. How on earth could KMA be considered an enemy of the people of Greensburg?

I can pretty much guarantee that 99-100% of the population of Greensburg Kansas would never consider any member of the KMA, nor KMA itself, an enemy. And neither would the world community at large (except for those, such as yourself, who have no idea who KMA really is nor have any idea what the people of Greensburg, KS actually desire).

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[info]camella
2007-05-21 04:38 pm UTC (link)
i'm not a member of KMA.

however, i'm disturbed at how anyone could write what you did. Have you no compassion for the people of Greensburg?

sure, my politics might be different than KMA's, but i completely and enthusiastically support KMA's efforts to help the people of greensburg.

and perhaps you should talk to the people of greensburg and see if they WANT KMA's help before you condemn KMA. Because, honestly, I think the people of Greensburg are very eager and welcoming of KMA's help.

"If they were perceived as a security threat worthy of state and federal resources being assigned to them, there a good chance that there's something in their past or present behaviour that put them on the "don't let them out of your sight" list."

Having state and federal resources assigned to KMA does not, in ANY WAY, indicate that they have done ANYTHING wrong. EVER. It just means they aren't in-bed and supportive of the Bush Administration.

Have you not read all the stories like this:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/08/20/MNGQ28BM1O1.DTL

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jim-moore/branded_b_13272.html

Have you not heard how the no-fly list has increased exponentially?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Fly_List

Have you not heard how anyone participating in a peace rally can be spied on by the government now?

And i say again, have you NO compassion for the people of greensburg? Does KMA's politics matter when ALL they want to do is help? They didn't come with protest signs and start draping them around the town. They came with TOOLS to HELP these people.

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[info]manuka
2007-05-21 06:47 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, the HuffPost is *such* a reliable and unbiased source. *rolls eyes*

I didn't say they did or didn't do something wrong. But, generally speaking the feds don't waste a whole lot of time, money, and effort on benign targets. They don't have those kinds of resources to go around keeping an eye on people just for the hell of it.

Yes, there are data quality issues with regards to the watch lists, but given that multiple agencies (state, federal, and local) have a history with these folks, I'd say that the likelihood they're incorrectly listed is pretty low.

If you want to help with what's going on in Greensburg, just showing up and trying to barge into town is not the way to do it. Most people have the good sense to figure this out. There's a process. It's there for a reason.

There was a good point made earlier in this discussion with regards to the KKK.. Just because they're coming to help doesn't mean they've put their agenda aside. From reading the KMA's press release (which appears to have been vomited far and wide to the alt press, who dutifully and unquestioningly published it), the KMA still has an agenda, and they have no intentions of putting it aside.


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Oh Manuka
[info]camella
2007-05-21 08:20 pm UTC (link)
"Yes, there are data quality issues with regards to the watch lists, but given that multiple agencies (state, federal, and local) have a history with these folks, I'd say that the likelihood they're incorrectly listed is pretty low."

Ted Kennedy (the senator) was on a no-fly list for a while. So are many other completely innocent, law-abiding citizens.

"If you want to help with what's going on in Greensburg, just showing up and trying to barge into town is not the way to do it. Most people have the good sense to figure this out. There's a process. It's there for a reason."

they did not just show up and barge into town. they went through proper checkpoints. they registered with americorps and were directed through them. they talked to people with the mennonite church. they were using existing groups and trying to help out.

and I won't even address your final point because all it shows is that you don't read, don't listen to differing viewpoints, and have no idea of the differences between the KKK and the KMA.

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[info]megiloth
2007-05-21 11:37 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, the HuffPost is *such* a reliable and unbiased source. *rolls eyes*

I'm sure DailyKOS and MoveON.org have some stunningly insightful and unbiased things to say too :P

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[info]manuka
2007-05-20 06:33 pm UTC (link)
"a Lawrence based class struggle anarchist collective"

Which is a fancy way of saying they're communists.

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[info]abbydabby
2007-05-20 07:51 pm UTC (link)
not so.
yes, communists concern themselves with class struggle, but there are many different forms of communism, most of which are statist, meaning that there is a central government in which the power is concentrated in the few, representative of the many.
anarchists believe in direct democracy, in which every person has their own say and is directly involved in the decision-making processes that affect them.

there is such a thing as anarcho-communism, which bridges the gaps. i encourage you to visit wikipedia or infoshop.com for some engaging discussions on the subject.

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[info]abbydabby
2007-05-20 07:47 pm UTC (link)
KMA itself has been under the government's watchful eye, for sure, but it also has not been involved per se in illegal activity.

"A local grassroots community organization, Kansas Mutual Aid, works to help improve conditions in and empower residents of our community. We work to end oppression and build a climate of freedom and direct, participatory democracy."

We offer free food programs, maintain community gardens, organize against war and occupation,, works to develop police accountability, provides educational resources and publications, provide monetary and legal support for dissidents all over the world, write and support political and social prisoners, offer legal observatin and training for protests, fixes and distributes secondhand bicycles, brings speakers and conferences to Lawrence, organize against gentrification and overdevelopment.

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[info]amazingfishboy
2007-05-21 03:05 pm UTC (link)
KMA itself has been under the government's watchful eye, for sure, but it also has not been involved per se in illegal activity.


Which means that you probably certainly support illegal activity, you just fund others to do it, or do it yourselves under a different name.

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[info]abbydabby
2007-05-21 09:07 pm UTC (link)
obviously you're just trying find fault and looking to start a fight. awfully inflammatory assumptions you're voicing anyway.

i posted this news story because i had the hope that people would spread the word. a little intelligent discussion on the subject couldn't hurt either. flaming, on the other hand, was not something i thought the community needed to be subjected to.

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[info]amazingfishboy
2007-05-22 03:57 am UTC (link)
I haven't really even begun to flame. Just pointing out that your verbal beating around the bush with regards to any illegal activities that the KMA may or may not be involved in.

Would you like to go on record and say whether or not the KMA has been involved in or supported illegal activities either directly or indirectly? I'm willing to discuss intelligently if you are.

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[info]amazingfishboy
2007-05-22 04:29 am UTC (link)
And for the recored, I don't believe for a moment that you wanted intelligent discussion when you posted this. You wanted everyone to jump on your bandwagon and say how much the government sucks for oppressing you.

Here's a news flash for you. The vast majority of people in this country DON'T agree with your politics. So if you really want to discuss, you should probably have a better response than a whiny "Don't flame me!" Keep that in mind when you post on public boards. If you just want people to stroke you and tell you how great and right you are, then keep it to your private journal.

But anyway, discussion topic number one that I'd like to cover:

Why would an Olathe police officer recognize you? And why would that recognition want him to summon 10 -20 of his buddies and run you out of town? There are a couple of cops that know me as well, but they generally just say "Hey, how are you?" And then go on their way.

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[info]rayana
2007-05-22 03:58 pm UTC (link)
exactly. why do i get the feeling that there is more to this story?

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[info]abbydabby
2007-05-23 04:59 pm UTC (link)
This isn't about politics, that's the thing. This is simply about folks trying to go down to help (at the request of Greensburg residents, no less) and being turned away without just cause. No one did anything wrong or illegal.

The week between May 12-May 19, there were 10 police officers from Lawrence in Greensburg. The Lawrence police officers have had a relationship with KMA which has not necessarily been friendly. They have a hard time separating individual people from the group as a whole, and certainly don't like our politics. That's to be expected, I suppose. Anyway, the point here is that the Lawrence police recognized one or more of our members from the first trip and spread the word to the other officers around, or so it's been speculated. The Lawrence police seem to feel that they need to be afraid of us, so I'm sure they've conveyed that fear to other area police.

I don't so much want everyone to jump on our bandwagon. I encourage individuals to think for themselves. If you are seeking more information, I would encourage you to do some research on your own - better than getting the information from me. For all you know, I'm biased. So call the City of Lawrence police department and find out what you can on KMA, call the Kiowa County sheriff's department and see why we're not being allowed into Greensburg. Look up for yourself the names in the article and see what information you can gather up - I can tell you there's plenty.

I don't have a whole lot of time to engage in these discussions myself. I'm a mother of twoand an active organizer for several different causes. and an involved community member. You ask tough questions, and that's needed, but I strongly encourage you to do your own research.

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(Anonymous)
2007-05-20 07:39 pm UTC (link)
They didn't say, other than that they were looking for anarchist affiliation. And they "know what we're up to" (which is that we were there to help give aid as it was needed and document human rights abuses).

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[info]downwithflames
2007-05-20 03:19 am UTC (link)
that's fucked up.

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