mariemjs ([info]mariemjs) wrote in [info]ironman_movie,
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Worst news of the day...
From AICN and IESB , was posted tonight, I just CANT BELIEVE this could be happening... (crossposted on TonyPepper community)


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Original news on IESB...

You won't believe what Marvel Studios is contemplating, shame on you David Maisel! It's been known since the release of Iron Man that director Jon Favreau had not yet been officially signed on to direct Iron Man 2. Kevin Feige during our edit bay visit of the Incredible Hulk mentioned that they were in negotiations, several producers have confirmed the same to several different news outlets, so the question is why isn't he locked in yet?

 

About a week ago, the IESB was tipped off by a junior source at Marvel Studios that there had been some delays with Jon's negotiations regarding the sequel. When asked why I was told that Marvel and Favreau hadn't been able to come to terms regarding money.

At first I thought my source was full of shit and I dismissed it as a rumor. This last Friday I was contacted by another source at Marvel and this one, let's just say, is much higher up on the food chain, and told me that the chairman of Marvel Studios David Maisel who has been in charge of negotiating new terms with Favreau is being cheap and not willing to pay a fair directors' fee.

Favreau was a bargain to begin with, he is after all a fairly new director even though he has had several commercially successful films under his belt when he was brought aboard Iron Man for a steal.

Don't know exact numbers but I am sure that it wasn’t a Michael Bay/Brett Ratner/Bryan Singer paycheck. He had to prove himself after all and looking at what the box office and DVD sales are going to bring in, around $750-800 million, I'd say he did his job well, very well.

So according to our source at Marvel, Jon was expecting a moderate bump in his fee for the sequel but apparently Marvel has other plans.

Our source continues that Maisel believes Iron Man 2 will be a success regardless of Favreau's involvement and feels the studio does not need to pay Jon a higher fee for his services.

This is the most disappointing news that I have heard coming out of Hollywood in years, is Marvel out of their Vulcan mind?

So bottom line, Jon Favreau has not been locked in to direct Iron Man 2 for the simple reason that Marvel is being cheap - this is 100% accurate folks, no bullshit.

This is completely disheartening. Iron Man was the first real Marvel production on their own two feet and Favreau came through like a champ. He gave credibility to the studio, hell, I'd even say he MADE the studio.

If that movie had bombed and he hadn't done his job right Marvel wouldn't be making the plans for the future like they are now. They would be going back to making films with other studio partners like they always have.

It's time for Marvel to return the favor - give the guy his fee (which I hear is the regular standard director's fee, no more), bring him back and kick some ass with IRON MAN 2!

I've contacted Marvel Studios who quickly asked us to contact their publicists over at Principal Communication Group for comment.

In regards to the March production start date that Terrence Howard talked about in his interview with Military.com, Paul Pflug from Principal Communications gave us a standard "no comment."

So what about Jon coming back to direct Iron Man 2?

The official statement is that they are still negotiating with Favreau.

Interesting…negotiations huh? Take a look at what Favreau posted on his official MySpace page just yesterday:

It’s been five weeks since the one and only phone call my reps have gotten from Marvel. I know their hands are full with the Hulk and I’m sure they will get into it shortly, as they tell me they intend to. I ran into the Marvel guys at the Hulk premiere and everyone sounded eager to get to work on IM2.

I am concerned, however, about the announced release date of April 2010. Neither Robert nor I were consulted about this and we are both concerned about how realistic the date is in light of the fact that we have no script, story or even writers hired yet. This genre of movie is best when it is done thoughtfully and with plenty of preparation. It might be better to follow the BB/DK, X/X2 three year release pattern than to scramble for a date. It is difficult because there are no Marvel 09 releases and they need product, but I also think we owe it to the fans to have a great version of IM2 and, at this point, we would have less time to make it than the first one."

One call five weeks ago is not what I consider "negotiations."

Enough said. I have double checked with my sources again at Marvel who are sticking to their story, negotiations - if you want to call them that - are not going well.

What do you think? Email me at robert@iesb.net and I'll be sure to send your thoughts on to Marvel Studios…



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comment on AICN:

Regarding the rumors that Marvel won't bring back Jon Favreau for IRON MAN 2...

Hey folks, Harry here... IESB.net broke a story about how they're hearing that the reason Jon Favreau isn't secured to direct IRON MAN 2 is that Marvel Studios Head Honcho - David Maisel is skimping and being cheap regards to making Jon Favreau's deal.

I wish I could come on here and say I know otherwise, but sadly I know otherwise. There is a very very strong chance that unless David Maisel pulls his head out of his ass and work on this deal - you'll see Jon Favreau directing anything but an IRON MAN 2 or an AVENGERS movie.

While the details of Favreau's deal on the first IRON MAN are not public knowledge - he was paid an upfront fee - with real backend participation. Given the success that is clearly happening with IRON MAN - this deal is going to reward MARVEL STUDIOS greatly.

That said - MARVEL should look back at their own Comic History - their history of fucking over the talent and artists that created much of their library often resulted in those artist leaving the company... creating incredibly profitable characters for other companies and for themselves - resulting in lost revenue for MARVEL that had they treated their artists fairly and justly - rewarding those that brought in the rewards for the company... well, maybe Marvel's comic branch wouldn't have been through such a grotesque roller coaster ride.

Jon Favreau wants to do more IRON MAN movies. He would love to play in the Marvel Universe. Sadly... David Maisel is penny pinching his own company into a malignant purplenurple.

MARVEL STUDIOS has - officially two movies under their belt. IRON MAN & THE INCREDIBLE HULK. Both of which are outstanding films that do a better job of exploiting their characters than anything the Studio system has done so far. However - MARVEL INVESTORS - watch carefully what happens here. If you see MARVEL unwilling to do what is necessary to keep the talent in play - then forget about MARVEL STUDIOS becoming the Pixar of Superhero films.

PIXAR is the model of how to do this. They not only developed internal talent, but hired great talent from other companies - and they're doing everything in their power to keep those incredibly talented and creative people happily working in house.
Running a studio and creating franchises is all about Talent management - and if MARVEL doesn't step up and do the right thing - then all our dreams about a great MARVEL UNIVERSE will begin to wash away.

When I brought this up with Kevin Feige at the Austin screening of THE INCREDIBLE HULK - he said they would be working with Favreau - but that isn't what I've heard from other sources - and it isn't what IESB is hearing either.
The dream of MARVEL STUDIOS is that we don't see stupid decisions like what we saw happen with Fox on X-MEN - where they resort to bringing in "talent" to take over and destroy the work that was already in play.
MARVEL has the opportunity to create franchises that last - not for a few years, but for decades. But they have to make the right decisions and be willing to work with the artists that will grow and evolve the properties into franchises that are worth existing. When an artists' run grows stale, that's when you change horses - not after the first win.

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I would never forgive Marvel if they "give" Iron Man to another director... We have to get ready to fight back!

 




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[info]artic_fox
2008-06-11 09:46 am UTC (link)
I read all these breaking articles earlier today and had the same reaction. For a company that just raked in however many MILLION for Iron Man, you just know they can afford to pay the director more.

But, corporate politics wise says that Iron Man 2 is going to clock well no matter what happens, so they feel they don't have to make a move to reward Favreau in any way. They could take on a much cheaper director and still have a commercial success. It all comes down to profit, rather than giving the fans consistency and someone who already has supplied the goods once before.

It sucks, basically.

I hope something good comes out of this, because I know the fandom at large is going to be unhappy if Favreau is not appropriately rewarded, or not rehired. I mean, we are the audience, so it would make sense to provide for us not for their pockets.

It almost makes me wish that RDJ would stand up and say he won't do the film without Favreau. Because we pretty much know that without RDJ, Iron Man 2 would take a huge commercial hit. The good thing about that is that I don't think that sort of power move would be beyond RDJ if it came down to it. He's a pretty upfront guy and I'm sure if someone was getting screwed around like Favreau potentially could be, then he'd say or do something.

*crosses fingers for better news in the next few days*

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[info]_0z_
2008-06-11 02:32 pm UTC (link)
"We pretty much know that without RDJ, Iron Man 2 would take a huge commercial hit. The good thing about that is that I don't think that sort of power move would be beyond RDJ if it came down to it."

About a few weeks ago, Marvel was thinking about replacing Tobey Maguire with a new actor for Spider-Man 4 and 5. It's always about money on top of the exec offices, always has.

If we want them to continue making valid representations about our beloved Marvel Characters, we'll have to show them that "good tea takes time". You can't just throw a concept onto the table and scramble it into a script (Which became one of the many reasons Spider-Man 3 failed).

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(no subject) - [info]artic_fox, 2008-06-11 07:33 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]_0z_, 2008-06-11 08:01 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]artic_fox, 2008-06-12 12:35 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]_0z_, 2008-06-12 07:33 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]artic_fox, 2008-06-12 08:02 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]viloki9, 2008-06-13 03:46 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]garden_hoe21, 2008-06-11 05:41 pm UTC

[info]backporchpoet
2008-06-11 09:48 am UTC (link)
I hope Robert pushes for Jon, I don't really know what kind of pull he has but if anyone else directs it I can see things ending badly. I can't believe this nonsense.

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[info]backporchpoet
2008-06-11 09:51 am UTC (link)
Also I think the fandom should send letters/emails about this because I think this is pretty much a travesty- and if they think it doesn't matter who directs it, we should tell them up front how mistaken they are.

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[info]_0z_
2008-06-12 07:37 pm UTC (link)
An honest question here:

Has this ever changed anything?


We can bitch about oil prices and expensive food as much as we want, but we can't change anything, because those decisions, sadly, are out of our hands.

Same thing with Comics, Movies, and just about anything else with a Copyright/Trademark/Patent.

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(no subject) - [info]backporchpoet, 2008-06-12 07:41 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]_0z_, 2008-06-13 01:23 am UTC

[info]kanagosa
2008-06-11 10:19 am UTC (link)
Kitten might have to go do some clawing. >/

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[info]johanirae
2008-06-11 11:06 am UTC (link)
Man, I wonder what the heck is wrong with the execs here... Hey, we got a director who made a film that respected canon while brining something more, made millions, got rave reviews, and generally brought a new hope to what was a string of sucky Marvel Super hero movie. What do we do next? We FIRE HIM. MAN, these dudes are insane D:

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[info]eumelia
2008-06-11 11:09 am UTC (link)
I really have no idea what these companies are thinking.
They are aware that the consumers can tell when something is off in a franchise they like.

Oh, Marvel, you make me *headdesk*

Here's to hoping RDJ pushes for Favreau, because we all know what happened to X-Men 3 when they Bryan Singer didn't direct it.

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[info]labellereine
2008-06-11 11:46 am UTC (link)
They seriously need to be clocked on the head with the actual Iron Man suit for the amount of stupidity. If it is not broken don't fix it!

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[info]bookster523
2008-06-11 12:13 pm UTC (link)
*shakes her head* That's disgusting. Thank you for informing us of this. We need to arrange a petition to send to Marvel studios saying that we won't go see it if Jon Favreau isn't directing it. Maybe that'll get their attention. Does any one know of a website that lets you put together petitions? I know they exist.

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[info]jamaillith
2008-06-11 01:22 pm UTC (link)
petitiononline.com?

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(no subject) - [info]bookster523, 2008-06-11 02:35 pm UTC

[info]happywriter06
2008-06-11 12:36 pm UTC (link)
Do there execs not know how much X-Men 3 was such a different (and not in a good way) movie from the first two because they couldn't wait for Bryan Singer so he could direct it? What is wrong with execs? If ain't broke, why are they trying to fix it?

I really hope they can work something out. I love Jon.

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[info]elite
2008-06-11 04:17 pm UTC (link)
Oh gods, if the same thing happens to Iron Man that happened to X-Men, I will die.

DIE.

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[info]jamaillith
2008-06-11 12:49 pm UTC (link)
Marvel: you screwed us over with X3 and that shoddy excuse for a Spider-Man movie. Do it again and there are going to be Words. Painful Words.

Edited at 2008-06-11 12:58 pm UTC

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[info]_0z_
2008-06-11 02:35 pm UTC (link)
Oh, it will be more than words for David Maisel if he screws this up.

I'll introduce him personally to the origin of my nickname "Klappstuhl".

(Hint: it involves a painful wrestling move to the face.)

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[info]threnody
2008-06-11 12:55 pm UTC (link)
This is me closing my eyes and sticking my fingers in my ears. Complete denial works for me. :P

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[info]corellianjedi2
2008-06-11 01:16 pm UTC (link)
*headdesk* *headdesk* *headdesk*
Please don't make me regret my love for you, Marvel...

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[info]ennui_blue_lite
2008-06-11 02:40 pm UTC (link)
Aw, this is awful news! Why would they do this? Switching directors on a series has practically always had abysmal results.

My guess is that Marvel is placing a little too much on the fact that half the viewers out there have said that Robert Downey Jr carried the movie - since RDJ is already a lock, who cares about Favreau? Except that RDJ cannot work without a director, and he's been in crappy movies before - why risk it? He and Favreau made a great team.

Furthermore, it takes more than a good director to direct a comic book movie. I'm not 100% sure what it does take, but seeing as how Ang Lee messed up the first "Hulk", I know that it takes more than a good director. Favreau's already proven himself. Marvel has lots of Iron Man money to pay him with. For god's sake, Marvel, get your head out of your ass!

Edited at 2008-06-11 02:42 pm UTC

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[info]viloki9
2008-06-13 04:00 pm UTC (link)
Oi, yeah definitely regarding the Ang Lee 'Hulk' situation. Don't get me wrong, I love most of Ang Lee's stuff and he's an Oscar winning director. But credential does not a 'good comic movie director' make. And a lot of the times they miss on the characterization (see Spiderman, Fantastic Four 1 & 2) or they don't realize that comic movies need a lot of action (see Hulk). So far, to me, they have only gotten Iron Man right.

Yeah...I thought X-men was mediocre. I know they were probably doing the Ultimate X-man story line. But I really don't like the Ultimate series... it's just so disjointed compared to the 616 Earth.

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[info]dametokillfor
2008-06-11 03:08 pm UTC (link)
I think we should force the execs to sit through X-Men 3.
Repeatedly.
Then let's see them deny us Jon Favreau.

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[info]xanatosdecrion
2008-06-11 03:40 pm UTC (link)
Giving Ironman to any other director than Favreau would be pulling all the comedy/humor/offbeat wit from the dialog. I felt Favreau added at least 'that' little something, something to the film in addition to the overall direction. Tony Stark won't be as funny without Favreau at the helm! And I'm not just saying this because I happen to like Favreau, but I'm saying this because I happen to like Favreau! LOL

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[info]kenley
2008-06-11 03:47 pm UTC (link)
What a load of crap! I think this is terrible! Give Favreau a nice fat salary for directing the second Iron Man movie and be done with it. End of story, if you ask me.

Besides, we've seen what happens when other directors take over a superhero movie from another directed (ie: X-Men 3). But I'm also of the opinion that once a director has directed one superhero, they should stick with that superhero and not go directed another superhero movie (my evidence here: Superman Returns). This is all just my opinion here.

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Not only X-Men 3
[info]ethnos44
2008-06-11 03:51 pm UTC (link)
Don't forget Joel Schumacher's Batmans.

Always suck when they replace directors.

But Batman Begins is a hall different story.

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Re: Not only X-Men 3
[info]kenley
2008-06-12 12:36 am UTC (link)
I second what you've said here completely! And the whole replacing the actor who played the superhero (Val Kilmer/George Clooney) doesn't help.

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[info]nickel_curry
2008-06-11 04:59 pm UTC (link)
Ugh, I'd like to believe that they're not that stupid, but who knows.

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[info]jwaneeta
2008-06-11 05:34 pm UTC (link)
And here we go.

Damn it, Marvel. Don't you ever learn? Don't Fuck With A Good Thing.

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[info]garden_hoe21
2008-06-11 05:45 pm UTC (link)
After this movie, the games all the merchandise, pulled in so many millions, this type of move looks like nothing but disgusting greed to the public.

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[info]niprhidel
2008-06-11 06:35 pm UTC (link)
Damn, fucking idiots they are being:

If all the elements work (directing, writing, production, acting) together and creat something GREAT don't go taking away one of the elements!!! IT FUCKS THE WHOLE FORMULA UP!!!

How greedy do you have to be to screw something up for everyone? I mean seriously...come on!!

I really hope RDJ comes to Jon's defense and say "IF he's not on, neither am I" - that'll be the best bitchslap there ever was to someone who deserved it.

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[info]girlyevil
2008-06-11 06:55 pm UTC (link)
I don't think RDJ can do that, though. I'm pretty sure they would've had him sign a contract that would prevent him from pulling out like that.

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[info]viloki9
2008-06-13 03:52 pm UTC (link)
Hey! Who here is going to San Diego Comic-Con?

If this doesn't get resolved by then, who wants to go to the Marvel Studios panel and go bitch at them with me?

I've been hearing from other people that this is only a rumor, but if you look at the big picture, how is sending protest/annoyed letters to Marvel -regarding this situation- bad for Favreau? If anything it'll send the message that he's indispensable and he might get a bigger paycheck out of it.

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[info]_0z_
2008-06-14 09:48 pm UTC (link)
I can already picture it, a herd of fans in front of the Marvel Studios Panel screaming "Attica! Attica!" in unison.

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[info]veronica_rich
2008-06-15 07:55 am UTC (link)
Favreau is like the new Sam Raimi - a string of crap behind him, but it's QUALITY crap.

*snort* Not giving newbies contracts. Does Peter Jackson mean anything? Gore Verbinski?

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[info]_0z_
2008-06-17 08:51 am UTC (link)
It just got a whole lot worse for Iron Man 2, and Special Effects in General:

Stan Winston, Rest in Peace

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[info]thewontonwonder
2008-06-18 05:45 am UTC (link)
oh that amkes me sad

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