imaginary circus ([info]imaginarycircus) wrote in [info]innocence_jihad,
@ 2007-08-02 23:04:00
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Christ on a Cracker - LJ/6A strikes again
EDIT: I'm updating this post everytime I find new links. And will flag new stuff: NEW


NEWLJ finally makes an official statement that says almost nothing new.
[info]aura218 compiled links of all the comments made by LJ/SA employees in the comments


What happened:

HP fandom artists are being suspended. No confirmation as to why - but we are guessing it is the new LJ abuse policies?

note: When the LJ abuse post went up a few weeks ago I posted an NC-17 fic (Adult/16 yo, non-con) to my other journal [info]ari_o and several people reported it to LJ Abuse. LJ Abuse said my story was totally fine and not going to get me TOSsed. Looks like things might be different now.

The Strikethough is gone. When you type a users name like the two suspended LJers we know about [info]ponderosa121 and [info]elaboration you get bolded names with no strikethrough. this pissed me off.

[info]ponderosa121 was TOSsed for artwork submitted to [info]pornish_pixies.

more possible deletions

There is also http://www.greatestjournal.com/community/fandomtossed/ - for keeping track.

PLEASE POST IF YOU KNOW OTHER USERS BESIDES THESE WHO WERE TOSSED TODAY 8/2/07:

[info]elaboration
[info]ponderosa121


NEW as of 8/6/07 More TOSsed LJs
[info]zenfu - Suspended for shota related art
[info]barakbsux - "Deleted and purged" (?)
[info]desireneverends - SUSPENDED (self procalimed pedophile)
[info]entrisic - 'Deleted and purged' (yaoi comm member)
[info]hitlersangels - SUSPENDED White suprematist teen folk singers O_O
[info]internalerosion - 'Deleted and purged' moved to new journal?
[info]mikey_mousse - 'Deleted and purged' (?)
[info]spacelogic - Self-deleted in protest over strikethrough
[info]surancorporate - SUSPENDED (seems to have child love group ties)



I CAN PUT THE STRIKE BACK IN WITH HTML YOU SAD FUCKERS AT LJ! BECAUSE BOLD'07 DOESN'T REALLY WORK AS A BATTLE CRY.

(Hey someone at F_W iconned the quotation above! :D

Ponderosa posts the TOS note she received.

Elaboration speaks up at GJ.

[info]pornish_pixies is under attack again from lj.





What you can do:

Friend [info]fandom_counts if you haven't.

Post at the most recent posts at [info]news and [info]lj_biz and complain!
OR Send Six Apart a comment directly!

***THE NEWS POST reached max comments. [info]buggery suggested leaving comments to Barak's lj_biz post here! Brilliant!****

Stop giving LJ money. and [info]bad_wolf_bitch suggests contacting the Better Business Bureau.

NEW
Read and sign [info]bubble_blunder's excellent open letter to LJ.


Reactions & Resources:

NEW
Hey more insults from people affiliated with LJ [info]anildash tells us all to go fuck ourselves! NICE!

NEW
LS says the will make a post at [info]lj_biz later today. via [info]radiovolume



Stupendous asshattery from LJ's own [info]burr86! Watch as he mocks us all.
ETA: Bahleeted. screencap here
ETA2: [info]eleri explains why she deleted link above and c&p's complaint sent to LJ about [info]burr86.
ETA3: entire original efw thread saved here! FTW!
ETA4: Firefox News article calling [info]burr86 an asshat! (digg it)

NEW
Valleywag speculates that Brad is about to jump the Six Apart ship for google. (digg it) Brad sets the record straight.

NEW
Cnet article on kerfuffle.


MUST READ comment on LJ/SA's shady self serving charitiable donations from recent perm account sale. [info]oulangi is made of win.


News is also coming up over at Greatest Journal where there is a FandomTOSsed community.

I found out about an article in the 8/9 issue of Rolling Stone from [info]daughterofodhin at [info]lj_biz. Perverted Justice goes after LiveJournal (on last page of article.)

Metafandom links!

more helpful links via [info]elke_tanzer

[info]synecdochic's post about legal issues

And hey! We made F_W.

[info]liz_marcs has a useful post here with info on how to back up your journal and other stuff.

How to use OpenID to post on other journalling sites or at LJ by [info]cmshaw

Add yourself to the The Directorium it is like the fandom white pages.

[info]fandom_flies is interested in starting up a new LJ open source blog system.

[info]twocorpses has already started a new website using LJs opensource code and is about to start beta testing! YAY!

Ponderosa is discussing planning a new LJ type site for fen of all ages.

[info]shaggirl has poll here trying to guage interest and willingness to financially support a new fen run blogging site.

BANNED IMAGE MACRO'D AND POSTED AT LJ NEWS!! MADE OF AWESOME! but NWS

LJ banned [info]lexexperiment from [info]news for posting the macro linked above. The did not TOS her journal yet though.

[info]stormcloude's LJ Abuse response which I think is an answer to why they TOSsed [info]ponderosa121 - SRSLY?! Because Eric at LJ Abuse didn't like it. [info]liz_marcs sums the net effect of this up nicely

List of LJs contradictions from [info]jupiter_star

Y HALO THR New Report Abuse Button Ooooo look! It gives you the option of reporting child porn! How thoughtful for the crazies!

[info]emcyclopedia has set up [info]6a_conference for people interested in setting up a talk with Six Apart.


If you are leaving LJ you can leave your new blog info at [info]beyond_lj or [info]deleting_my_lj if you are deleting it


[info]copperbadge suggests that writers and artists with separate LJs for their creations use different email addresses for each account to protect yourself. more here - We are 100% this will keep both your journals from TOSsing, but it sure as hell can't hurt!


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reference note: ~160 saved links from the last round of this crap. Journal backup sites and other info in those links




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[info]optimistic
2007-08-03 04:28 am UTC (link)
I don't understand why they got rid of the strikethrough. Is it so people will not immediately know users are being deleted and therefore will not react immediately?

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[info]imaginarycircus
2007-08-03 04:30 am UTC (link)
Very likely. And also it sort of became our symbol in the backlash, our slogan so they took it away.

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(no subject) - [info]murdering, 2007-08-03 04:32 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]imaginarycircus, 2007-08-03 04:35 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]imaginarycircus, 2007-08-03 06:33 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]tabooism, 2007-08-03 12:49 pm UTC
Guys, this is a perfect reaction slogan. - [info]treelines, 2007-08-03 11:03 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]optimistic, 2007-08-03 04:35 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]imaginarycircus, 2007-08-03 04:37 am UTC
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[info]notrafficlights
2007-08-03 04:34 am UTC (link)
Neb deleted and purged a while ago.

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[info]imaginarycircus
2007-08-03 04:35 am UTC (link)
Thank you. That makes me not feel any better, but I'll change that.

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(no subject) - [info]imaginarycircus, 2007-08-03 04:41 am UTC

[info]snakeysnape
2007-08-03 04:44 am UTC (link)
LJ/6A: BOLD FACED LIARS! Does that sound any better? It's kinda hard to come up with a catchy slogan when you're dog tired *and* mad enough to spit brimstone.

Yes, I am a Fan Artist. Yes, I draw Snarry. On occasion, they are nekkid. But ...

HELL NO, I AM NOT A BLOODY PEDOPHILE!

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[info]imaginarycircus
2007-08-03 04:45 am UTC (link)
I think this is turning us all into CAPSLOCK HARRY.

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(no subject) - [info]optimistic, 2007-08-03 04:51 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]imaginarycircus, 2007-08-03 04:53 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]optimistic, 2007-08-03 05:06 am UTC
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[info]murdering
2007-08-03 05:16 am UTC (link)
Direct everyone to [info]news. It's the more visible of the venues.

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[info]imaginarycircus
2007-08-03 05:24 am UTC (link)
Already did! :D

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[info]valady
2007-08-03 05:26 am UTC (link)
You may want to put this on insanejournal as well, alot of LJ refugees have gone there as well.

It's only a matter of time before they find a reason to get rid of the rest of the fandoms.

BTW, permanent acct at InsaneJournal is $30 till next week I believe when it goes up to $40.

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[info]imaginarycircus
2007-08-03 05:39 am UTC (link)
I don't have an IJ account. I have one at GJ and JF.

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[info]florahart
2007-08-03 05:40 am UTC (link)
Oh what the HELL.

Pond's post over at GJ quotes the email from LJ. It says, in part,

Due to the nature of this violation, your accounts have been permanently suspended, and we regret that we cannot allow you to create additional accounts on LiveJournal.

We cannot allow ...what? They'll check by doing what? They also deleted the post, in a comm, which is new and different I think.

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[info]imaginarycircus
2007-08-03 05:49 am UTC (link)
Yeah, I saw that and already edited this post. I'm just stunned. I know I shouldn't be after all this BS. I've been here for six years.

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[info]divinereverie
2007-08-03 05:45 am UTC (link)
I posted this over on GJ, but I did a LJSeek search for the URL of the art that was cited in the letter that LJ sent to Pond.

It was a Snape/Harry called Tightly Held. It isn't chan. She posted it last month. I have the direct link to the image, which is hosted on her website, and which you can find by googling "Tightly Held" along with "Ponderosa121". I am not going to post it here because of obvious reasons.

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[info]imaginarycircus
2007-08-03 05:51 am UTC (link)
You are awesome. Thank you! I saw your comment at GJ - but I am bouncing back and forth between there and LJ.

I'm not going to edit the post. If people read through and see your comment then they can see for themselves. :)

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(no subject) - [info]divinereverie, 2007-08-03 05:54 am UTC
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[info]divinereverie
2007-08-03 06:17 am UTC (link)
An update. I was able to contact Elaboration and we found out what she posted as well, it was a Fred/George picture that was not chan either.

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[info]imaginarycircus
2007-08-03 06:21 am UTC (link)
*facepalm* LJ what is your problem!?

You know what would be an excellent protest? If we got as many people as possible to post the images in their journals...

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(no subject) - [info]jessicamariek, 2007-08-03 06:28 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]imaginarycircus, 2007-08-03 06:32 am UTC
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[info]likespring
2007-08-03 06:39 am UTC (link)
Hi! Linked to this post in my own journal. WTF, LJ.

Also, if we're seriously considering mass-posting the images, I think that'd be awesome -- although you'd wanna contact the artists first -- and would definitely consider joining it.

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[info]imaginarycircus
2007-08-03 06:48 am UTC (link)
The artists would absolutely have to give their permission first. And I think a significant number of people would have to be willing to do it.

I need to sleep on this...

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(no subject) - [info]likespring, 2007-08-03 06:51 am UTC
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[info]thevelvetsun
2007-08-03 07:25 am UTC (link)
The art ponderosa121 was suspended for depicted Harry/Snape, and Harry looked at least 16. Now technically that's still underage in the US, but LJ assured us time and time again that they would only be going after the most extreme examples, depicting children in sexual situations. There's a very important difference between children and minors.

WTF, LJ.

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[info]_lore
2007-08-03 08:11 am UTC (link)
LJ also said it would go through a process from now on and ask people to take down offending images/stories....didn't they? It didn't seem to happen here.

love, lore

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(no subject) - [info]deccaboo, 2007-08-03 06:06 pm UTC
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[info]thwap
2007-08-03 08:13 am UTC (link)
And to think I was beginning to forgive them.

No more. Good bye LJ.

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[info]adelaidejewel
2007-08-03 08:41 am UTC (link)
I like Bold '07 ha
it's unique

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[info]adelaidejewel
2007-08-03 08:53 am UTC (link)
Does the boldness only apply to the suspended fanfics or to everything?

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[info]imaginarycircus
2007-08-03 04:17 pm UTC (link)
The bold only applies to the lj user names. The accounts are gone - which means all their artwork and any fics they had are all gone.

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[info]elfwreck
2007-08-03 08:53 am UTC (link)
I opened a support request asking for TOS clarifications about acceptable content.

I expect to get a cut-and-paste answer with bits from the FAQ, and no specific answers to my actual questions; that seems to be the standard for support requests involving policy these days. (I got an interesting one claiming that "sponsored content" is not the same as "advertisements" last week.)

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[info]ide_cyan
2007-08-03 10:23 am UTC (link)
I got an interesting one claiming that "sponsored content" is not the same as "advertisements" last week.

That sounds like the reply to my support request.

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(no subject) - [info]imaginarycircus, 2007-08-03 04:18 pm UTC

[info]okami_hu
2007-08-03 08:58 am UTC (link)
Never shall we die.

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[info]lynkemma
2007-08-03 10:08 am UTC (link)
Pst - the link to news doesn't work. It's just "news", not "lj_news".

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[info]imaginarycircus
2007-08-03 04:20 pm UTC (link)
*facepalm* I was doing this at 3am.

*fixes*

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[info]imaginarycircus
2007-08-03 04:22 pm UTC (link)
I know. It is fixed now.

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[info]joyeuxnoel
2007-08-03 12:33 pm UTC (link)
I CAN PUT THE STRIKE BACK IN WITH HTML YOU SAD FUCKERS AT LJ! BECAUSE BOLD'07 DOESN'T REALLY WORK AS A BATTLE CRY.

Alternatively, might I suggest: Six Apart: The War on Fandom

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[info]imaginarycircus
2007-08-03 04:23 pm UTC (link)
Rolling Stone called it a Witch Hunt, which might be more appropriate to the HP fandom anyway...

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[info]darth_claire
2007-08-03 12:42 pm UTC (link)
We could call it Blackout 2007

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[info]t0tto
2007-08-03 03:10 pm UTC (link)
That actually sounds good. 8D

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[info]scilera
2007-08-03 01:18 pm UTC (link)
Wow.

I'm a HP fandom writer, not an artist, but I have many good friends who are, and this just pisses me off. A lot. I noticed the suggestion of a mass 'rebellion' of sorts, and just wanted to pledge my involvement. Hell, I've only got fic on my journal here, and Lord knows there are plenty of places web-wide for me to do that.

So, for what it's worth, I'm in.


<3

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[info]imaginarycircus
2007-08-03 04:27 pm UTC (link)
We're moving a little slowly - and it seems like there are a number of people who want to leave LJ. There are more people who want to leave LJ but don't want to lose their communities and friends.

There is no real concensus on where to go or how to do this.

People who get TOSsed may not be able to come back to LJ as users ever. Though if you attempt to start and use a journal from a new IP I am not exactly sure how they can tell?

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(no subject) - [info]scilera, 2007-08-03 05:21 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]imaginarycircus, 2007-08-03 06:04 pm UTC
BECAUSE BOLD'07 DOESN'T REALLY WORK AS A BATTLE CRY.
[info]lorena_bee
2007-08-03 01:32 pm UTC (link)
(stolen title)

<B><img src="http://stat.livejournal.com/img/userinfo.gif"><font color="blue"><s>mightygodking</s></b></font>

mightygodking

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Re: BECAUSE BOLD'07 DOESN'T REALLY WORK AS A BATTLE CRY.
[info]imaginarycircus
2007-08-03 04:12 pm UTC (link)
He was TOSsed for copyright infringement though. It is a different issue. Everybit as annoying though.

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[info]cherrybomb
2007-08-03 01:46 pm UTC (link)
Iyaaan~ SOBOLD

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[info]makomk
2007-08-03 02:07 pm UTC (link)
Since the latest changes mean that suspended users no longer show up under the friends/members list on profiles other than your own, my suggestion would be Livejournal Unpersons 2007</a> or something along those lines.

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[info]murdering
2007-08-03 02:36 pm UTC (link)
The Nobodies, wanna be somebodies? XDDD THE LETTERS ARE WEARING ORG XIII COATS THAT'S IT

*is a bit punchy this morning*

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(no subject) - [info]imaginarycircus, 2007-08-03 04:30 pm UTC

[info]tochirooyama
2007-08-03 02:13 pm UTC (link)
I guess they're starting to hit some of the GW people/comms too now, even the people who're depicting the characters after the war as 18+. Idiots.

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[info]imaginarycircus
2007-08-03 04:31 pm UTC (link)
They who? Perverted Justice?

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[info]imaginarycircus
2007-08-03 04:33 pm UTC (link)
Your question doesn't even make sense. Adults creating art portraying adults in erotic situations is perfectly legal.

If you are one of those idiots who isn't familiar with what goes in the HP fandom and assumes it is all about gay sex with 11 year olds don't waste my time with your stupidity.

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