julie_dslv ([info]julie_dslv) wrote in [info]hp_essays,
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A Review of HP the Series
Before I start my rant, I should tell you that I’m pretty much a newbie here. This is my first essay ever about Harry Potter. And there is a reason I feel the need to state this fact. I’ve been going through HP_Essay’s archives, and the way it seems, the members of this community seem to be obsessed with the books, do not miss any details, have read as many essays as they could find, and even done further reading on some aspects of the HP series; such as alchemy and astrology. Which is not a bad thing. I’m the same way about Buffy the Vampire Slayer and His Dark Materials and The Wrinkle in Time series. The reason I’m telling you this is; this essay is written through a casual reader’s POV, and sometimes, we tend to get lost in all the details and miss the big picture.

The only essays I’ve read about HP were the ones the lovely [info]safakus forced me to read, and I’m not a big fan of fanfiction –I’ll only read one-shot smuts every now and then. But I did have my expectations regarding how the series would end, my share of wishful shipping, disappointments and delights.

The main problem I have regarding Rowling’s style is that she seems unsure about her chosen genre. She throws in her fair share of mystery, thriller, horror, morals, romance and fantasy, and eggs us on regarding certain aspect, and then changes ship all of a sudden, jumping to another genre.

Let’s start with the most controversial aspect of all fandom-related art: Romance. Or as we know it; shipping. It’s obvious that romance does not have the first priority in HP series. But character growth at times does, so romance sometimes does take the front seat, which would be cool, if it were merely a tool to serve other purposes. On the other hand, we have a ton of romance-related drama, arguably serving no useful purpose at all. Harry and Cho, for example. Yeah, I understand that as a somewhat healthy 15 year old teenager, Harry would start having less-than-pure feelings for the opposite sex. But did it have to be Cho Chang, whose ex happened to be murdered right in front of Harry’s eyes? What purpose did it serve? Harry could simply have fancied Susan or Luna or Parvati or whatever… And if character-growth was what JKR indeed worried about, mission would be accomplished. Every single romance concerning the major characters have some sort of day time soap opera quality to them, what with implied 3rd and 4th parties, sub-romances and implied possibilities. Such as, Cho likes Cedric or Michael or maybe Roger or Harry, who might like Cho, Ginny or Hermione, who might like Viktor or maybe Harry or Ron, who might like Hermione, Fleur or Luna, who might like Neville. Not to mention the Snape-Lily-James triangle.

My point is, every single aspect of the books at one point had to be sacrificed for the sake of another.

The more obvious example would be the shift of dramatic style between the first four books and OotP, whereas with the former, it was about “who done it”, and with OotP it was “Will Harry lose it completely”, a more of a character driven book more than detective novel / mystery.

My second problem with the books was the moral aspect, which is almost always problematic. Two of the most important sales-pitches of the series were “good vs. evil” and “redemption”. Pretty much everybody has a different understanding of those concepts, depending on their background, culture, religion, life experiences etc. so it was a risky move to introduce them. But if Rowling had taken a stand and defended it, it would be less problematic, IMHO. Whereas it seemed JKR has little understanding of those philosophical dilemmas, or took the easy way out and chose the “kid story” approach, like that of Walt Disney’s cartoon characters. Voldemort: Ugly, demonic, incapable of feeling empathy, resembled the villains in child stories we loved to read and listen to as a child, as did his Death Eaters, with a demonic name and demonic looking black cloaks. And the only DEs who got away or sort of redeemed were the somewhat good looking ones: Malfoys and Regulus. The fact that Snape’s ugliness was used as an indicator that he was evil in earlier books, suggests a lot.

Then we had our “redemption” heroes: Snape and Pettigrew. After reading the ever lovely [info]safakus’s essay concerning Pettigrew, I was worried that Peter would do something heroic to save Harry’s life and would lose his in the process and therefore be redeemed, but we would never know if his actions were a result of deeply felt remorse or a magical contract he couldn’t get out of (life debt). Well, JKR didn’t disappoint me in that regard. Peter was not redeemed and I was fine with it.

I assume many of you have written loads of essays concerning Snape’s redemption, so I won’t say much about that, except the fact that we never got to know if Snape ever disagreed with Voldemort’s ideals. What motivated Snape seems to be his love (obsession?) with Lily Potter, and the fact that he confirmed this in the Pensieve scene did not sit well with me. I was harshly reminded of the Buffy-Spike relationship in Buffy the Vampire Slayer, where Spike helps, because Buffy would approve. But Spike didn’t have a soul. Snape did.

What I always liked about the books though, was the plot. It never failed to delight me, even in OotP. I remember laughing out loud after finding out that Quirrel was sharing his body with Voldemort, literally giving him head. I loved the Tom Riddle – Lucius Malfoy storyline in CoS, the ever-handsome Marauders (minus Peter) and not to mention, the best Quiditch we ever got: Slytherin vs. Gryffindor Dream Team for the last time. GoF is still my favorite: I applauded Voldemort’s plan, except for that last part. OotP filled a great void by answering a good deal of questions regarding Potter-verse politics and backstory of Harry’s parents and Snape, and I was thrilled with the Horcrux storyline in HBP, not to mention the additional Snape feedback.

Which brings us to Deathly Hollows.

To be honest, I didn’t understand the majority of what was going on. That wands-engagement-rules thingy is still kinda a mystery to me. I think DH was either full of inconsistencies or JKR didn’t do a good job of explaining them. Or I’m stupid, but for the sake of this essay let’s assume I’m not.

The fact that I wasn’t expecting much in romance and morals departments allowed me to enjoy this book as much as possible, but the massive info-dump at times left me frustrated and mighty confused. First six books every witch and wizard had been disarming each other left and right and nothing ever happened with the wands. Then we got this puzzle, who pwnd who, when, why, and WHOSE WAND IS IT! The way I figure it, Harry didn’t have to go through all that trouble solving that puzzle, since he managed to pwn Voldy at the end of GoF, thus should be a master of any wand he owns… But what do I know.

I was also a bit disappointed for, that we didn’t get much resolution concerning political issues. Werewolves? Dementors? Goblins? Other magical creatures? And what about that veil thingy?

AND HOW COME LUCIUS GOT OFF? The way I see it, he was a major bastard in his day, he conspired to kill Harry many times (including in DH), acted as Voldemort under-boss and treasurer for a period of time, bribed and controlled ministry officials and those are the things we know for sure. It’s just unrealistic that he should get off. The first time he did because he had support. Now either that the ministry is still mighty corrupt even under Shacklebolt’s rule, or he was tried objectively and found innocent, which I don’t think is possible. Whatever.

I loved the action though, especially the Gringotts heist and the Battle of Hogwarts. Neville was awesome, I was cheering the whole time. And the deaths… Well I would be more disappointed if there were no deaths. This is war and random people die for no good reason in wars.

And the epilogue… Say what you will. I just can NOT get past the whole “Albus Severus” thing. No matter what purpose it served, no kid should be subjected to that kind of cruelty. Oh my God! Albus Severus! If my parents named me something equally stupid, I swear I’d chop off their brains. LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOO! asdflkjhergvn

Other than that cruel bit of idiocy, not to mention Hugo (Jesus Christ I say!), it was pretty much ordinary, boring and not awe-inspiring in the least. I expected something more climatic.

All in all, I liked all the books, DH was okay, GoF was my favorite, and you people seem to have had good time dissecting it, reading fanfiction and whatnot. So I guess we should take our wins and move on to the next fandom… In my case, His Dark Materials.



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[info]ladylavinia
2007-09-23 04:45 am UTC (link)
You're right. You were a casual reader.

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2007-09-23 05:23 pm UTC (link)
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[info]the_abinator
2007-09-23 04:59 am UTC (link)
Mmm. I don't think it's very smart to write a review for something that you don't know much about. Not a lot of people are going to take you very seriously.

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[info]siriaeve
2007-09-23 05:25 pm UTC (link)
I'm leaving this as a blanket comment on this post before I freeze threads—I want to remind you all that we expect a certain standard of civility on this community. If a post irritates you to the extent that you do not feel you can reach that standard, please refrain from commenting; if you feel a post doesn't belong here, contact a mod before doing anything else.

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[info]leeannslytherin
2007-09-23 06:54 am UTC (link)
The majority of Potter fans ARE "casual fans" (as with anything), and sometimes the more hardcore fans forget this. I'm somewhere in between the two, and I find it refreshing to hear from those who aren't heavily involved in the fandom. You are essentially who the books are marketed to -- not the hardcore fans, even though they tend to think otherwise -- and your overall opinion of the series is probably demonstrative of 99% of people who read the books.

That being said, your opinion of Deathly Hallows really isn't that far off from most hardcore fans I've talked to. The Epilogue of DH? Total crap, especially the names. The big climactic moment of Harry fighting Voldemort? Not quite as dramatic as expected. The Malfoys' redemption? Nice, but they deserve some sort of punishment, not to just walk away all happy ending like. The disarming of the wands? Confusing as all get out, to the point where I had to read the explanation three times to understand it (and I'm still not sure if I could explain it to anyone else!).

What I don't agree with is your assessment of Rowling regarding the genre(s) of the series. This was an absolutely brilliant move on her part. The "confusion" of genres is actually a blending that has made the series infinitely appealing to a ridiculous number of readers and thus made her loads more money than she would've made if she played by genre rules. Clever woman, that Rowling!

But thank you for opinions -- I enjoyed reading 'em! There is no shame in being a "casual reader", and you're hella brave for putting yourself out there in such an obsessive fandom!

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[info]safakus
2007-09-23 08:26 am UTC (link)
Voldemort: Ugly, demonic, incapable of feeling empathy, resembled the villains in child stories we loved to read and listen to as a child, as did his Death Eaters, with a demonic name and demonic looking black cloaks. And the only DEs who got away or sort of redeemed were the somewhat good looking ones: Malfoys and Regulus. The fact that Snape’s ugliness was used as an indicator that he was evil in earlier books, suggests a lot.
This is something I never considered before, but spot on. Thanks for bringing this to my attention.

And it's awfully ballsy of you to share your essay with us, in a community where us hardcore fans love to tear everything apart.

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[info]chocolatepot
2007-09-23 04:21 pm UTC (link)
But Voldemort only became ugly - he used to be handsome, handsome, handsome, and became ugly as he went down the path to evil. And just because the Malfoys are aristocratic-looking doesn't make them good-looking - Draco, at least, is pale and pointed.

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[info]currycio
2007-09-23 08:34 am UTC (link)
Doesn't look like you are a casual reader either. More like a breezer. You just breezed through the books, didn't pick up much and so have nothing constructive or interesting to add as discussion in a HP site.
Given that you haven't focused much on the books, why are you bothering with an essay attempt?

All I got out of your few paragraphs was "but I didn't get it, what does it all meeeeaaaaaaannnn" and I don't know what we are supposed to do with that.

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[info]safakus
2007-09-23 08:48 am UTC (link)
Ever heard of ad hominem attacks? Because you are very good at it.

The only thing she didn't understand was the concept of wand ownership, and she is not alone in there. I think her views on "redemption" and "good vs. evil" were quite spot on, and puts things into perspective.

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[info]author_by_night
2007-09-23 12:08 pm UTC (link)
I'm not sure I understand why this essay was posted.

There were things you disagreed with in the books. Okay, cool - there were things I really didn't like either. Whatever. I choose to focus on the things I did really like - things that, in my opinion, made up for the little stuff big time.

You disagree? Hey, fine - but why post it as an essay? This is for people who like the books. Or at least, that's what hp_essays used to be. Maybe that's changed.

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[info]vvvexation
2007-09-24 02:06 am UTC (link)
I'm sorry, have we been reading the same community? Because last I checked, plenty of people have been posting here about how DH disappointed them, and nobody's been accusing them of hating the series as a whole. And in case you didn't notice, the OP specifically said there were things about the series she loved. Why don't you wait till someone actually does drop in to tell us our fandom sucks, and pick on them?

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[info]focusf1
2007-09-23 12:28 pm UTC (link)
It seems that the concepts in the book that you do not understand are hindering your approach to it. Lady Lupin has, IMO, a great understanding of them and you may find this helpful.

http://www.mugglenet.com/editorials/spinnersend/se26.shtml

It certainly wow'd me.

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[info]chocolatepot
2007-09-23 06:16 pm UTC (link)
Thanks for posting that - I hadn't seen it before.

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[info]nemesister
2007-09-23 12:37 pm UTC (link)
The wand ownership is awfully confusing and doesn't seem to make perfect sense with the rest of the series. However, Harry did not pwn Voldemort at the end of GoF, he merely managed to run away. That was the point of the brother wands, they could not pwn each other, which saved Harry's life.

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[info]chocolatepot
2007-09-23 01:33 pm UTC (link)
The main problem I have regarding Rowling’s style is that she seems unsure about her chosen genre. She throws in her fair share of mystery, thriller, horror, morals, romance and fantasy, and eggs us on regarding certain aspect, and then changes ship all of a sudden, jumping to another genre.

No, no she didn't. The two basic genres are "coming of age" and fantasy; there is a central mystery to each book, but the books are hardly mysteries. Coming of age requires romance and morals. I don't see nearly enough thriller or horror elements to say that she danced along that line. It's a coming of age fantasy.

you people seem to have had good time dissecting it, reading fanfiction and whatnot. So I guess we should take our wins and move on to the next fandom

LOL WHAT? +++ OUT OF CHEESE ERROR +++ REBOOT UNIVERSE AND REDO FROM START +++
(Basically, are you a fan or not? and if you are not, that "you people" was quite offensive and the "we" grating.)

AND HOW COME LUCIUS GOT OFF?

What?


Good lord, does no-one write actual essays anymore?

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[info]zoepaleologa
2007-09-23 01:40 pm UTC (link)
Essay: a piece of fact-based writing that takes a position, analyses it, and reaches a conclusion. I'm not sure how all these lists of "why I didn't like DH" can be termed "essays".

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[info]dreamer_marie
2007-09-23 04:28 pm UTC (link)
Come on, June. We've had much, much worse in this comm.

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Reply from an obsessed reader, part one
[info]geesme
2007-09-23 01:46 pm UTC (link)
Alright then, I see where you’re going with this essay. I would say I qualify, for better or worse, as a “hardcore Harry Potter fan”. And so, by definition, I cannot agree with most of this essay. I will explain why! But I would like to assert upfront that I certainly do not mean to sound aggressive or even defensive; you have brought up some interesting discussion topics. And I just love to discuss this kind of thing! So much so that I need to split my reply to get around that pesky maximum character limit...

The main problem I have regarding Rowling’s style is that she seems unsure about her chosen genre.
I think it is important to remember that “genre” classifications are our servants, not our masters. Rowling writes books about a boy and his life, classify it what you will. Would it help if somebody invented a “Harry Potter” genre?

On the other hand, we have a ton of romance-related drama, arguably serving no useful purpose at all.
I think the one-shot smuts are getting to you! Contrary to the fanfiction, there isn’t really a great deal of romance in the Harry Potter series, hardly any actual page-space is devoted to it. The exceptions are Harry-Cho-Ginny, Ron-Hermione-Krum and Lily-James-Snape. But there is probably not more than a few kilos of even them, and I certainly wouldn’t say they “serve no useful purpose at all” at all! In a nutshell:
Harry falls in love with Cho when he doesn’t know her, as a kind of “escapism” from the more unhappy aspects of his life. She is kind, pretty, and seems to treat him as a person rather than a name. Her grief for Cedric reminds him that he cannot simply escape his identity. Unlike Cho, who was removed from Harry’s life, Ginny was smack bang in the middle of it. Harry’s love for Ginny represents a change in him, an acceptance of his life, of who he is.
Ron and Hermione’s love is there to show balance, harmony between two perceived opposites, brought about by shared values. Krum is there to highlight the major flaw in Ron; he often cannot recognise the strengths he has. He aspires to be like Krum, whom he perceives Hermione admires more than himself, without realising that it is VALUES that are important rather than fame and achievements.
James and Lily are introduced in the earlier books as a kind of “perfect couple”. Only later do we discover that this was not always so, but was brought about by the choices they made, the values they shared. Contrastingly, Lily and Severus were torn apart by choices and values. These relationships are certainly not added for some kind of cheap soap opera effect, but as an exploration of the more intricate existential themes of the series.

Every single romance concerning the major characters have some sort of day time soap opera quality to them, what with implied 3rd and 4th parties, sub-romances and implied possibilities.
Now they really only have that if you read them that way! Granted a large portion of the fandom seems to...

the shift of dramatic style between the first four books and OotP
I didn’t notice such a great shift in style. The books are written from Harry’s perspective, and he is simply becoming more of a character in the later books; not only is he older, but the cumulative effects of his experiences are developing him.

Two of the most important sales-pitches of the series were “good vs. evil” and “redemption”.
Whereas it seemed JKR has little understanding of those philosophical dilemmas, or took the easy way out and chose the “kid story” approach, like that of Walt Disney’s cartoon characters.
Well, herein lies my problem with this: good vs evil and redemption are only two ramifications of the underlying existential themes; the choices people make and why they make them. It does have some elements of a children’s story; hero, villain and so on, but it acts to expand on these in a way so as to really make them relevant to real life, and the choices the reader makes and hence who they are. I think JKR has quite an amazing understanding of existentialism!

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Reply from an obsessed reader, part two
[info]geesme
2007-09-23 01:47 pm UTC (link)
Voldemort: Ugly, demonic, incapable of feeling empathy, resembled the villains in child stories we loved to read and listen to as a child, as did his Death Eaters, with a demonic name and demonic looking black cloaks.
Tom Marvolo Riddle was actually born uncannily handsome! As he made the choices that transformed him into Voldemort, the reader is repulsed not because his appearance has become “ugly” as such, but because it has become “unhuman”. Of course, this reflects his unhuman behaviour. Of course Voldemort feels no empathy! He has this in common with Disney villain not as some sort of cheap stereotypical trait, but because it is a sense of empathy that is an important factor in keeping a person from straying into “villiandom”. The Death Eaters CHOOSE to have a demonic name and clothing because they revel in fear and intimidation, rather than JKR giving them that just to say “they so eeeeeeeeeeeeeebil”.

the only DEs who got away or sort of redeemed were the somewhat good looking ones: Malfoys and Regulus.
Where were the Malfoys ever described as “good looking”? That’s a fandom meme sneaking in there. Bellatrix was certainly never redeemed and she was very good looking.

The fact that Snape’s ugliness was used as an indicator that he was evil in earlier books, suggests a lot.
Who uses it as an indicator he’s evil? If the reader does, that is their issue rather than the books’.

we never got to know if Snape ever disagreed with Voldemort’s ideals. What motivated Snape seems to be his love (obsession?) with Lily Potter
Ah but you must recognise that the second of these statements nullifies the first! Only someone who disagreed very much with Voldemort’s ideals would be capable of a love causing him to feel such guilt and strive as hard to rectify the situation as Snape did. Of course, if you choose to refer to this as an “obsession”, then it would be a rather noble one.

That wands-engagement-rules thingy is still kinda a mystery to me.
First six books every witch and wizard had been disarming each other left and right and nothing ever happened with the wands. Then we got this puzzle, who pwnd who, when, why, and WHOSE WAND IS IT!
Wandlore is meant to be mysterious, reminding us, I think, of the powerlessness of humans to control or even properly comprehend some aspects of nature and the universe. The previous disarmings were unsuitable for a change of wand ownership... why? Bravery, need, skill, ruthlessness, any of these factors and many more could play a part, not present in the less serious disarmings of the earlier five books.

I wasn’t expecting much in romance and morals departments
Not expecting much in the morals department!? I was, and Deathly Hallows delivered! It was a labyrinth of morals! As for romance, it is only really used to explore characters and their morals and whatnot. I’m not at all disappointed by that, if I wanted Mills and Boone style torrid love affairs, I can always try fanfiction.

The Malfoys showed their true values during the battle of Hogwarts; Narcissa was crucial to Voldemort’s defeat. This is probably enough to exonerate them in a Ministry more concerned with healing and rebuilding than revenge.

Haha! Yes, I must agree “Albus Severus” is not a very dulcet name. But people don’t go around calling him “Albus Severus”. Does anyone even use their middle name? Mine is Esme, which a lot of people seem to think is the result of a random jab of a keyboard.

it was pretty much ordinary, boring and not awe-inspiring in the least
Yes! That is the very point! Harry has finally achieved the love and peace he fought so hard for!

move on to the next fandom… In my case, His Dark Materials.
Oooooh, I liked that series too! The humanism and existentialism are a little less subtle than the Harry Potter series. I hope you enjoy the fandom!

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[info]elphaba_of_oz
2007-09-23 03:52 pm UTC (link)
Hi {unknown firstname} Esme! I think Esme is a beautiful name.

You said:

"The Malfoys showed their true values during the battle of Hogwarts; Narcissa was crucial to Voldemort’s defeat. This is probably enough to exonerate them in a Ministry more concerned with healing and rebuilding than revenge."

Yes, I agree that the Malfoy's showed their true values in DH (a trend that started in HBP.) The Malfoys were loyal to their nuclear family unit only. Lucius was a deatheater because of the power and status it provided to him. He wasn't really devoted to Voldemort.

Draco wasn't really devoted to evil/Voldie. For the first few books he was a child parrotting his parent's politics. When he is finally in position to show his devotion to the cause of evil/Doldie by killing the headmaster he hesitates. It's clear that he doesn't REALLY have that evil in him. During DH he is a prisoner of evil/Voldie, doing evil not because of ideology, but simply because he must to evil to survive.

Narcissa is all about her loved ones. That's why she goes to Spinner's end at the start of HBP to beg for Snape's help. She doesn't give a rat's @$$ about killing Dumbledore or aiding Voldie. She wants to save her son. She lies to Voldie at the end of DH for the very same reason - to save her son.

I find the moral ambiguity of the Malfoys very satisfying and very true to life. They do evil (and sometimes good) out of pure self-interest. They have goals whether it be to get the most stuff or to simply come through another day with their skins intact. They are like a lot of the people you see walking down the street every day of your life. The horror of their lives is that they are born into a time of great evil. This gives their self-interest a nasty edge that it would not have in peaceful times. They are like career officers in the German Army who just happen to be pursuing thier military careers during the Nazi regime.

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Re: Reply from an obsessed reader, part two - [info]montavilla, 2007-10-08 07:11 pm UTC
Re: Reply from an obsessed reader, part two - [info]geesme, 2007-10-14 11:50 am UTC
Re: Reply from an obsessed reader, part two - [info]geesme, 2007-10-14 11:57 am UTC

[info]freyalicious
2007-09-23 03:14 pm UTC (link)
I'm a hardcore HP fan and I definitely think you have the right to express your opinion as much as we do. The book is aimed to casual readers, people who don't feel like putting extra time and effort into reading interviews and long essays to understand it. JKR should have explained the wand thing better IN THE BOOK, not in interviews or chat sessions.

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[info]dreamer_marie
2007-09-23 04:28 pm UTC (link)
It's nice to hear from someone who's not as obsessed as we are. Of course, when you know all the previous books by heart, it's easy to understand what's going on. When you have 1.5 years in between books, it's a bit more difficult. We obsessive fans tend to forget that.
But I thought it was fairly obvious from Snape's memories that he did not share Voldemort's opinions. Also, Voldemort was pretty handsome when he was younger. He made himself ugly all by himself.

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[info]sari_malfoy
2007-09-23 06:47 pm UTC (link)
Once again I have to say that I think the epilogue was a dig at fanfiction. For *many* reasons, and there are many indicators, but the horrible names are maybe the biggest.

And I think it's more than just a bit sick to name TWO children after BOTH of your parents...

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[info]sari_malfoy
2007-09-23 07:40 pm UTC (link)
Also, after reading this whole thread, I'm a bit shocked.


I have read all the books (except Deathly Hallows) at least 10 times. I've seen the movies several times, and been involved in the fandom for a couple of years, mostly as a lurker but also have written a bit. And still I can admit to getting often confused what happened in which book (the pesky little details like when was it actually revealed that Snape was a DE etc) and what stuff were invented only by the movie-makers and from there on used by fanwriters. Harry Potter universe is full of so much detail it's nearly impossible (at least for me) to remember everything.

Secondly, I thought that hp_essays is for people who liked the books, but not for people who liked and agree on every single thing. I like reading an essay that actually broadens my perspective and makes me go "see, I hadn't thought of it like *that*!" And with Deathly Hallows, some people (hardcore fans or not) felt they were delivered what they expected and some feel cheated, and some are in the middle. Aren't these a matter of an opinion? And something you can talk about in an essay and comment with each other?

Thirdly, I'm one of those LJ-users whose first language isn't english. I'm reasonably fluent, but sometimes it still hinders getting my point across *just* like I would like it to.

It would be very unfortunate if this turned into a place where you were afraid to open your mouth for the fear of getting your eyes scratched out.

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[info]fayzbub
2007-09-23 11:57 pm UTC (link)
I agree with your essay 100%, and I am an "obsessed" fan. Your point about mixed up genres was spot-on, in my opinion. I was very disappointed with DH, it felt rushed and incoherent for most of it's length, apart from the interminably-boring chapters where the trio were on their camping/road trip. The inconsistencies re plot of the other books I was prepared to put up with for the sake of a good story-line that was, at least at first, written for children. But DH was meant to tie up everything, and instead it just came out as a muddled mess, IMHO.
I'm also rather surprised at the comments this essay has engendered. Being a fan does NOT mean accepting everything the writer serves up with little "squees" of delight. In this case, JKR dropped the bundle big-time, and deserves to be taken to account over it. She's neither God nor Devil, just a writer who has given us some good storylines, but is not above criticism for DH, which was poor workmanship.
Alison

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[info]sandi_wandi
2007-09-24 01:11 am UTC (link)
Okay yeah, I'm a huge fan of the books and guess WHAT.

I AGREE WITH YOU. :D

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[info]mary_j_59
2007-09-24 02:37 am UTC (link)
I, too, wanted to thank you for your thoughts. Much of what you said made perfect sense to me, especially the mixing of genres, the illogical and confusing rules of wand ownership, the dreadful epilogue, and the lack of resolution of *any* of the political questions that had been raised. I do disagree with you about the romance issues in the book (which are mostly pretty minor, and which did serve mostly to illuminate Harry's character, such as it is.) But you are absolutely right that Slytherins are consistently shown as ugly, unpleasant-looking, troll-like -- you name it. And then the *entire* house abandons the school rather than fight against Voldemort! If that is not judging by appearance, I don't know what is.

Anyway, I enjoyed your essay. You were quite clear about where you were coming from and what you intended to do, and I think you did fine.

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[info]0nyma
2007-11-18 06:13 am UTC (link)
A bit belated, but I agree with you. Especially on the genres.

The main thing that bothers me about her books is that she is trying to mix escapism with grit, subtle allusions with explicit and repeated references, bleeding heart anti-racism with blithe mistreatment of other species, and most infuriatingly, realistic characters with caricatures like the Dursleys and Umbridge. I'm not too happy about Harry being Jesus either.

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