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Harry Potter Is Not Going To Die (Not A Spoiler, Just A Strong Opinion ;-) )
Greetings,

I originally wanted this to be a full blown essay - complete with page references, but then life took over. At the same time, I have this need to get my thoughts out there in some kind of organized fashion ... before the book comes out and we all know the big answer. So this is me, putting my bet officially out there, in a somewhat less formal, more consise fashion.




I offer you this opinion based on a purely structural analysis, removing emotion from the equation. It is true, the idea of Harry dying is almost too much to fathom, but let’s put that aside for a moment.

Let’s also put aside any argument based on the idea that if he lives or dies it will be cliché. At this point, either ending is going to feel familiar. At the end of an epic story, the main character either lives or he doesn’t, so the claim that a happy ending is cliché is really as pointless as the opposite argument that his death is the same.

Putting those biases aside, looking at the series from a structural point of view, the previous books have told us that Harry is going to live.

1. Harry is on a Hero’s Journey.

Again, this is a concise version, but it seems many of you are very familiar with the works of Joseph Campbell.

Traditionally, from Odysseus to Luke Skywalker, to Buffy, the hero lives. The hero comes back changed from the experience, but he/she is free to live his life.

Harry Potter has been following this pattern fairly precisely – the call to action through Hagrid, his initial refusal to believe, the magical older man as mentor, the road of trials. There are many more comparisons, feel free to discuss them. The main point is, at the end of the story, the hero is free to live.

2. Ginny 

In the Odyssey, the hero is not only free to live, he is reunited with his wife. I propose this is the ending Rowling has set up with Ginny.

At the end of Half Blood Prince, Harry ends his relationship with Ginny, not because he wants to, but to protect her and because he has work to do. Ginny accepts his decision with the revelation that she never gave up on him. The obvious implication is that she isn’t giving up on him now.

Rowling has set up the happy ending. The separation with Ginny gives Harry something to return to after his journey. A life with her is his reward. Normally I would find this horribly sexist, but Rowling has bought her way out with Hermione. Also, Ginny Weasley represents not just a woman, but the family for which Harry has always longed.

Rowling has been slowly and carefully setting up Ginny and Harry from the beginning of the series. That much work does not fit a pay-off of only a few pages. If the relationship had continued beyond the end of the sixth book, I would be more worried that one or other would not make it out of the seventh alive. However, instead Rowling ended the relationship. There has to be a structural reason for this choice and I propose Rowling is setting the stage for Harry’s return and his happy ending.

3. The Folding Pattern

I know this information is already out and discussed, but just for fun, let’s look at it one more time.

Thematically, the books create a folding pattern, with Goblet being the spine. Goblet of Fire, the middle book stands out as different from the rest for many reasons – there is no quidditch, others schools spend the year at Hogwarts, the Yule Ball, the Triwizard Tournament, and finally Voldemort’s frightening return. 

The other books tend to reflect upon each other. 

   

Book 2

Book 6

Ginny has an overwhelming crush on Harry.

 

Introduction of Horcruxes and destruction of the first.  (Though we did not know this at the time.)

 

Mystery: Who is the Heir of Slytherine?

 

Major portions of plot revolve around a book – the diary.

 

Draco is a major suspect.  This turns out to be false, but his father is guilty.

 

 

History of Voldemort’s character .  Voldemort appears in memory sequences as a teenage boy.

 

Hogwarts is attacked.

Harry has an overwhelming crush on Ginny.

 

Explanation and details on Horcruxes –  destruction of second, and the beginning of Harry’s quest to find and destroy the rest.

 

Mystery: Who is the Half Blood Prince?

 

Major portions of plot revolve around a book – the potions text. 

 

Draco is a major suspect.  This turns out to be true.  His task is assigned in direct response to his father’s failures.

 

History of Voldemort’s character is further developed.  Voldemort appears in memory sequences as a boy, teenager and man.

 

Hogwarts is attacked.

Book 3

 

Harry discovers Cho and develops his  first crush.

 

Large focus on Harry’s relationship with his father.  The map, the patronus, meeting his friends.  Harry’s view of James is very pure.  He almost idolizes him and wants to be like him.

 

Introduction of Sirius. 

 

Introduction to Marauders and their history.

 

Harry uses a fantastical animal as a means of transportation.  Buckbeak becomes symbol of life/freedom.

 

Introduction to the idea of prophecies and their role in Harry’s story.  Prophecy of Voldemort’s rise.

 

Sirius escapes from Azkaban.

Book 5

 

Harry and Cho date, kiss and end their relationship.

 

Large focus on Harry’s relationship with his father.  Memory sequences.  Harry insecure about his feelings re James.  Harry must accept the fact his father was a human who made mistakes and had faults.

 

Sirius’ death.

 

Further history of Marauders.

 

Harry uses a fantastical animal as a means of transportation.  The Thestrals are a symbol of death.

 

Prophecy is pivotal plot point.  Revelation of the prophecy that is key to Harry’s connection to Voldemort.

 

Death Eaters escape from Azkaban.

                                                                                            

So what do we know about the first book that will help us with the last?

On one point I think we can all agree – Voldemort will die. The series began with his original defeat, the spine marked his return, the end will include his final demise. But what about Harry?

I believe it is most important to note that Philosopher’s Stone does not begin with Harry’s birth. If it did, I would worry the end of the series would include the end of his life as well. It would be an obvious conclusion to a life story. However, the series is not Harry’s life story, it is the story of his connection with Voldemort, and the first book begins with the day that connection was created.

The series will end not with Harry’s death, but with the resolution of that connection. Harry will severe the prophesized connection by defeating the monster that killed his parents, and he will finally be free to live out from under the evil shadow that has haunted him his entire life.

Other possible folds?

Philosopher’s Stone also began with Harry being put into the custody of his aunt and uncle. Deathly Hallows will mark the end of that relationship.

Stone featured a baby dragon rather prominently. Goblet involved a mother dragon guarding her eggs. Recently released American cover art also depicts Harry, Hermione and Ron riding a dragon. Is this Norbert? Or perhaps, to complete the cycle, an aged dragon?

Harry, Ron and Hermione had to complete a series of trials to get to the Stone. In Deathly Hallows, the search for each of the Horcruxes will likely serve as another series of trials.

One fear – Ron Weasley sacrificed himself so that Harry could go on to face Voldemort during the chess match. I see it as very much within Ron’s character to make that kind of choice again. I very much hope Ron makes it out of the book alive, but I also see it as likely that we will visit this theme again.

4. A Coming of Age

It is true that Harry is on a hero’s journey, the books are also in part a war story, but at its heart, the series has always been a coming of age. We meet Harry as he is entering adolescence. In fact, we meet him just before the wizarding world deems him old enough to begin his magical training, symbolizing his training for manhood.

We have seen Harry experience his first true friendships, his first experiments with leadership, his first crush, his first kiss, his first familial loss, and his first functioning romantic relationship. A great deal of the joy of reading the books comes from watching him passing through hurdles and learning lessons that we all recognize.

It is a coming of age set in a world of magic, but it is a coming of age none the less.

It is especially interesting to note that the series will end just as Harry is officially considered a man in his world. The decision to make the age of seventeen the age for legal adulthood seems to be a conscious authorial choice. It must have structural significance.

I propose that choice was made partly so Harry could practice magic outside Hogwarts, as will be necessary on his quest, but also because Rowling has purposely brought us to the end of Harry’s coming of age.

The question then is, has she really brought Harry into adulthood only to kill him?

I think not. It just doesn’t fit.

What we have are four very concrete structural elements to tell us how the series will end. Harry is on a hero’s journey – the hero comes back changed, but is free to live his life. Rowling has used the romance subplot to set up the happy ending. The folding pattern implies the books will end not with Harry’s death, but with the severance of his connection to Voldemort and his freedom. And finally, the books gave us a seven year window, structured with finite precision to encompass his coming of age. The series will not end with Harry’s death, but rather the end of his childhood.

So there it is. No quotes. No page numbers. Alas. But at least now my opinion is out there, carved in internet stone. And I can either say “HA!” or live forever in shame. Whoohoo!



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[info]steph313
2007-07-08 04:39 am UTC (link)
Well done essay.

I happen to agree completely with your reasons and examples.

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[info]gowdie
2007-07-08 05:24 am UTC (link)
Thank you! :-)

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[info]scarah2
2007-07-08 04:45 am UTC (link)
Again, this is a concise version, but it seems many of you are very familiar with the works of Joseph Campbell.

Traditionally, from Odysseus to Luke Skywalker, to Buffy, the hero lives. The hero comes back changed from the experience, but he/she is free to live his life.


What about Heracles, Neo, Frodo, and more that I don't want to put spoilers for?

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[info]gowdie
2007-07-08 05:22 am UTC (link)
I'm not sure Neo really fits. There are elements of a hero's journey, maybe he is meant to be on one, but I felt the writers were leaning far more into making him a hard-core Christ figure, or Moses. He's a little of both. There are constant references to his being god-like, the people were waiting for his coming, he delivers an enslaved race, and he dies to save humanity.

Frodo is complicated. Mostly, I think, because there are so many other characters in the story. It isn't just about Frodo's journey. And he is on a hero's journey, but so is Aragorn, and he lives. Sam, Frodo's partner on the journey, also comes back to live happily. And Frodo comes back alive, but is so changed, he dies a little later. Note this is different than Neo - Frodo dies years after the fact, Neo dies at the climax.

So I agree, merely saying hero's journey doesn't answer the question definitively, because there are variations. That is why I coupled this one element with the coming of age, the romance subplot, and the folding pattern clues. Because I do think looking at the four elements together might point us in the right direction.

Also, a friend, peachespig, wrote an entry explaining how Frodo is different than Harry, that I think fits nicely with what I said about coming of age. You can see it here

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[info]pamoreno
2007-07-08 05:23 am UTC (link)
I think the same. Harry's death just doesn't fit the series.

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[info]gowdie
2007-07-08 07:17 pm UTC (link)
Yes! Thank you.

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[info]weselan
2007-07-08 06:50 am UTC (link)
Great essay - I agree with the whole thing. Less than 2 weeks to find out if it holds true! *****SQUEE*****

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[info]gowdie
2007-07-08 07:19 pm UTC (link)
Squeeing right along with you! Thank you.

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[info]desultory6
2007-07-08 07:08 am UTC (link)
the series is not Harry’s life story, it is the story of his connection with Voldemort

I find this to be a very interesting and apt observation.

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[info]gowdie
2007-07-08 07:20 pm UTC (link)
I love the word "apt", it makes me feel smart. Thank you.

Also love the icon.

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[info]greenwoodside
2007-07-08 08:04 am UTC (link)
Have been journal-hopping and came across this essay - truly excellent, as other people have said, it very concisely gives us the arguments for Harry's survival. Thank you!

For my part, I've never really understood why some fans are so convinced that he'll die. It just doesn't *fit*.

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[info]gowdie
2007-07-08 07:26 pm UTC (link)
The believing he'll die thing comes across to me like some kind of dark bandwagon. But I also think Rowling carefully sowed those seeds. She put in the idea that death was possible by the careful, yet vague, wording of the prophecy, and has then steadfastly refused to give any hints.

I think she wanted us to doubt. Wanted us to worry that death was a very likely possilbility. That way when he lives, it will be a better pay off. It wouldn't be as big a relief, as large a celebration, if his living had always been taken for granted.

So basically, I think she's been rather masterfully manipulating all the craziness. The press is convinced he will die. But in the end, that ALSO leads me to believe he will survive in the end. I'm not sure she would have worked so hard to create such doubt if he were really going to die. It's a bait and switch.

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[info]sevenorora
2007-07-08 10:31 am UTC (link)
Fantastic essay!
And I agree with you, I don't think Harry is going to die. I never believed he would, and after reading this I'm quite certain he wont!

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[info]gowdie
2007-07-08 07:29 pm UTC (link)
Yippie! Thank you.

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[info]ice_queen82
2007-07-08 11:03 am UTC (link)
Good points well made, especially the counterpoint between books 2/6 and 3/5. I can't believe we're finally going to find out what happens!

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[info]gowdie
2007-07-08 07:30 pm UTC (link)
Me too. It's so surreal. I want to know sooooo badly, but I also don't want it to end.

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[info]pishkinn
2007-07-08 11:39 am UTC (link)
Excellent points.

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[info]gowdie
2007-07-08 07:31 pm UTC (link)
Thank you!

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[info]author_by_night
2007-07-08 12:51 pm UTC (link)
Interesting. Very interesting. I hope you are right. You'd better be, or else. ;)

(Just kidding about the "you'd better be." No worries.)

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[info]gowdie
2007-07-08 07:33 pm UTC (link)
Phew. For a second I was really worried there. ;-P I'm full on holding to the hope I'm right, it's kinda like a death grip, really.

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[info]blakemp
2007-07-08 01:50 pm UTC (link)
Wonderfully written. I agree wholeheartedly.

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[info]gowdie
2007-07-08 07:35 pm UTC (link)
Thank you!

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[info]doxys
2007-07-08 04:35 pm UTC (link)
Excellent points I really like your essay.


Peace
Doxys

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[info]gowdie
2007-07-08 07:36 pm UTC (link)
Thank you!

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[info]blpurdom
2007-07-08 05:34 pm UTC (link)
It's good to bear in mind when discussing the mirroring of books 2 & 6 and 3 & 5 that for them to reflect each other the elements should be inverted as a great many are in those books. You hit on it betwen 3 & 5 when you noted Harry's hero-worship of his dad in 3 and his disillusionment with his father in 5, but in other places I think you forgot that what's interesting about the structural mirroring IS that there is mirroring, mean that what occurs in a book on one side of the mirror is reversed in the book on the other side. Another example from 3 & 5 is that in PoA Harry is taught by a friend of his father's (Remus) to perform some tricky and advanced magic that is a uniting force, the Patronus (for which happy thoughts are required) and Harry succeeds in this, while in OotP Harry is taught by an enemy of his father's (Snape) to perform some tricky and advanced magic that is a divisive force (Harry must divide up his brain to prevent Voldemort or Snape accessing parts of it) and Harry FAILS at this. (Which is just as well; his succeeding at conjuring a Patronus in PoA is life-saving, while his failing to keep Voldemort out of his mind in OotP is life-saving, since Harry's thoughts of love for Sirius send Voldemort screaming into the night.) Throughout the above comparison elements are inverted: father's friend vs. father's enemy; uniting magic vs. divisive magic; succeeding vs. failing. She does it over and over again! I do expect, like you, that she will continue this pattern in the last book.

However...

On one point I think we can all agree – Voldemort will die. The series began with his original defeat, the spine marked his return, the end will include his final demise.

Ah, but you're kind of missing your own point. :D You said that the series does NOT begin with Harry's birth and so it is unlikely that it will end with his death. I believe the same is true of Voldemort. The series began with his initial defeat, such that he had power but no corporeal existence; a soul-fragment without a home. It seems more likely that if she inverts this element in the final book, Voldemort will indeed suffer one of those worse-than-death fates Dumbledore was referring to when he was dueling Voldemort in the Ministry (OotP) and said that Tom had yet to understand that there were some things WORSE THAN DEATH. Just because Voldemort fears death more than anything else does not mean that he will suffer this at the end of the series. It seems far more fitting, in fact, that he will suffer a fate that would make him LONG for a death that is out of reach to him.

Rather than being a soul-fragment without a vessel to contain it, I think that, in the end, Voldemort is likely to be a corporeal vessel with no soul-fragment in it. Thus he will be defeated and no longer a threat, but he will probably (physically) remain alive until such time as Harry dies, taking his scar and the final soul-fragment with him to his grave, finally giving Voldemort the respite of death as well. But chances are, as you said, that that will be after Harry has truly had a chance to live his life with Ginny, something he won't be able to do until he fulfills his quest to defeat Voldemort.

In many ways, I think that the death of Voldemort would be as empty and wrong for the structure as Harry's death would be. It really seems that JKR has been building up to something far more subtle and less cliched (there's that word again!) than that. So I don't actually think that the tie will be severed between Harry and Voldemort for a very long time; it's a link that is part of who Harry is, and reconciling with that part of him is an important part of his maturation process and becoming an adult. Harry's journey is as much about dealing with darkness inside each one of us and rising above it as his growing up; KEEPING that connection will always keep him grounded and remind him of what is important.

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[info]gowdie
2007-07-08 08:06 pm UTC (link)
I think I avoided using the word "mirror" because I'm not sure some of the points are opposites. Some absolutely are. But there are other thematic connections between the books - where the later is merely reflecting in the sense of taking that original idea, bringing it out again, and building on it further.

But then maybe I'm just not working my brain hard enough. Anyhoo, the point we agree on is the books are connected, and stuff that happens in books 1,2 and 3, will be brought back to us in their partner.

So, the main issue - the nature of the beginning and the relationship between Harry and Voldemort - and my point that the books don't begin with Harry's birth, but the birth of their connection.

The way I look at it - the books started with that connection being created, the story has to end with its destruction. And actually, aren't you stepping on yourself with saying it is mirror, but then saying the connection won't be severed until Harry's death? (Big forgive me smiley face on that one. Sorry.)

Also, I'm just not a purporter of Harrycrux. Which is a whole other argument. But basically, I agree Harry has to deal with his own dark impulses, yes. But the problem with the impulses coming from a soul fragment is then they aren't truly a part of Harry, rather they come from something that is contaminating him.

I guess I look at it as the books have repeatedly told us good people do bad things. Good people hurt each other, feel rage and hate, and are complicated beings. That gets very murky to me if then Harry can't own his own behaviour. If his own rage and hate and bad choices are somehow explained by an evil soulfragment that he might not have had otherwise.

And I do see the possibility of a creative ending to Voldemort. And I like your idea of the reflection - soul without vessel v. vessel without soul. My only hangup with your suggestion is my gut telling me he has to be obliderated for the story to truly end. Leaving him a vessel, with fragment still around in Harry, leaves a window of doubt that he can come back somehow. In a story like this, he has to be gone. There has to be no chance of a return.

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[info]windsong_moon
2007-07-08 08:17 pm UTC (link)
The folding pattern you talked about was really, really interesting. I've always noticed the reoccurring elements that pop up in Harry Potter, but I've never noticed that they happen in such a structured way.

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[info]gowdie
2007-07-11 04:50 am UTC (link)
Love that I pointed to something new to think about. Thank you!

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[info]snowystingray
2007-07-08 09:50 pm UTC (link)
I was just having a discussion along this same vein with my sister earlier today, and while I still haven't decided whether or not I think Harry is going to die, I think the biggest point in favour of his living is the second one you mentioned here. It seems like JKR went through way too much trouble in laying the groundworks for H/G only to have it end so soon. I don't consider myself to be much of a shipper, but from what has been set up so far, I fully expect Harry and Ginny to end up together at the end of the series, and I suppose that'd be a bit difficult to do with Harry dead. Great essay!

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[info]gowdie
2007-07-11 04:55 am UTC (link)
Yeah, it's the working hints in for so long, to only have a relationship that lasts a few pages, that speaks to me.

Originally I was surprised they got together at all in Six. I thought it would be Seven. But then, the breakup. I think she showed us how happy Ginny makes Harry, so we understand exactly what he gets to come home to. This way, Rowling is free to concentrate on his quest in seven, because the stage for his happy ending has already been set.

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[info]shocolate
2007-07-08 10:53 pm UTC (link)
One fear – Ron Weasley sacrificed himself so that Harry could go on to face Voldemort during the chess match. I see it as very much within Ron’s character to make that kind of choice again. I very much hope Ron makes it out of the book alive, but I also see it as likely that we will visit this theme again.

*la-la-la-la-la I'm not listening*

But very good essay-type-thingy!!

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[info]gowdie
2007-07-11 04:57 am UTC (link)
I'm not listening either. I don't really think Ron will die. I won't die of shock if he does, though maybe of heartbreak. But in my heart I think he'll get away with a maiming. Or it might not be him at all. The same theme could apply to another character - possibly Neville.

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[info]lady_songsmith
2007-07-08 10:57 pm UTC (link)
I'm amazed that so many people think Harry will die. Don't know how that one got started. I've been rooting for a "Harry dies" ending since Book 4, but it's always seemed clear that Rowling wasn't going that route. Not for any reasons of series parallelism (I love the theory, but frankly I think it gives JKR more credit than she's due), but simply because at the heart of it, Rowling has never gotten out of the 'kids' book' mindset, and you don't kill off the Hero in a kids' book.

Frankly, though, I think Harry needs to die. There is no place in a post-Voldemort world for him. He has never learned to live a life without destiny, and I think it would be impossible for him to do so after fulfilling it. Harry is far more in the Frodo-model than the Odysseus-model -- unable to return to a normal life however much he might wish otherwise. A purely happy ending would be unsatisfying, leaving unresolved as it would too many issues of character. More fitting would be something of a Beowulf-type ending, wherein the hero completes his task but soon dies of his wounds.

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[info]greenwoodside
2007-07-09 06:51 pm UTC (link)
Forgive me for answering something that's addressed to [info]gowdie, however, I do think that suggesting that Harry surviving the series will in some way be childish is rather harsh. Clearly, we view the books very differently, but - to be frank - I think that a Harry who (though damaged by his experiences)carries on living, working for the wizarding world, is the more 'adult' (whatever that is) outcome. Death is, in a sense, the easy way out.

Also, I don't think that Harry surviving should be equated with a 'purely happy ending' - almost certainly not if JKR's "bloodbath" comment has any truth to it.

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[info]megl42
2007-07-08 11:04 pm UTC (link)
I agree - and it's only a part of me that's agreeing because I just CAN'T see Harry dying at the end of DH.

In addition to your reasoning, and beyond the scope of literature, those who have pointed out that it's bad business for JKR to kill off Harry also have a valid point. There's still 2 more movies to go, and the longevity of the series to consider. How many people will want to read the series for the first time (whether in the next year or so or 50 years down the line) if it's common knowledge that Harry dies? Right at the moment, it seems like the people who are REALLY predicting/expecting Harry's death are media types, because that will be a massive story here and now.

Of course, there is still a part of me that wants to be completely broken by this book... call it the Hamlet ending :)

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[info]gowdie
2007-07-11 05:21 am UTC (link)
I'm honestly not sure what I think about that arguement. I do think she started the series with a specific intent - and she will stick to it. She didn't know of the movies or the fame, and I don't think she will make major changes because of that. She is telling the story she wanted to tell.

However, it's also a point. The last movie would not be the same kind of celebration if we all know of the tradegy to come. Some stories, like Hamlet, we all know, and it still works. But I don't see kids dressing up in costumes and waiting in line, all aflutter with wonderful childish glee, to watch their hero die. Shudders.

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[info]lunar_music
2007-07-08 11:33 pm UTC (link)
Amen. Thank you, I agree entirely. It just doesn't fit for Harry to die.

One fear – Ron Weasley sacrificed himself so that Harry could go on to face Voldemort during the chess match. I see it as very much within Ron’s character to make that kind of choice again. I very much hope Ron makes it out of the book alive, but I also see it as likely that we will visit this theme again.

But remember - Ron appears to be a goner there, and is certainly out of commission for the rest of the Big Climactic Battle (TM), but recovers afterwards. We may see some sort of repeat of this - some of the "folds" you pointed out are basically complete thematic repeats. If Ron is taken down by anything short of, you know, an AK or decapitation, I don't think we have any reason to be sure that he won't ever recover.

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[info]gowdie
2007-07-11 05:23 am UTC (link)
You're totally right. I have this weird insecurity about Ron for some reason. But I do think a maiming is more likely than death. I think both are within the realm of forseeable possibility, but if I were betting, I'd put my money on maimed. :-)

Thank you!

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[info]lijoka
2007-07-09 12:16 am UTC (link)
I couldn't agree more with you! I do believe, though, that he'll come as close to death as anyone can be.

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[info]gowdie
2007-07-11 05:23 am UTC (link)
Oh he'll be a hurtin unit, that's for sure.

Thank you!

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[info]shayenne
2007-07-09 10:40 am UTC (link)
Thanks for a very thoughtful essay. I often start essays like this, but seldom finish them, but I finished yours and find that I agree with much you have to say, and you've clarified a bit of my own thinking along the way.

As far as Voldemort dying, I too, as others have said here in the comments, don't think it's a given. The books didn't start with Voldemort's birth, so with your excellent folding therory, I don't think they will end with his death. There's another series of fantasy books along the epic quest with fearful challenges lines, by Stephen Donaldson, called "Thomas Covenant the Unbeliever". The end of those ends up (and forgive me if I'm slightly wrong, it's been YEARS since I read them) with Lord Foul (= Voldemort) and Thomas Covenant (= Harry) locked in some immortal stalemate, where only Thomas Covenant's prescence and active (and self-sacrificial act) keeps Lord Foul from the world. IMHO, this sort of ending is possible for HP.

As far as Ron goes, I unfortuanatly agree with you that he's a possible for the chop. However, JKR said recently that one character got a repreive at the expense of two more (is this, btw, where the "two people will die" idea comes from? Should it not be "at least two people will die"?). I wouldn't be surprised if it's Ron who got the repreive.

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[info]gowdie
2007-07-11 05:28 am UTC (link)
My bet for the reprieve is Lupin. I thought he was CLEARLY marked for death up until HBP. Then, in that book, it suddenly seemed he had ties to the world, rather than just being a tragic figure.

Not to say that Ron is therefore definitely going to die then, of course.

AND YES, it should be "at least two." The press are idiots. With low reading comprehension scores apparently.

Voldy - the one reason I think he HAS to be dead, is, in a book like this, I think there has to be absolutely no chance of his return. There can't be a window of doubt. Also, because the book began with the connection, it has to end with its destruction. That's why I don't see the stalemate in this case. I think Harry will finally be free of his Voldemort burden.

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[info]alas_earwax
2007-07-09 02:32 pm UTC (link)
this gave me little butterflies of hope/excitement for Deathly Hallows.

I liked it. Well done, really.

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[info]gowdie
2007-07-11 05:29 am UTC (link)
Ohhhhh, butterflys! Grins! Thank you!

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[info]noodlesishere
2007-07-10 09:41 am UTC (link)
I like the way you think. Except for the part about Ron.

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[info]gowdie
2007-07-11 05:30 am UTC (link)
I don't like the Ron part either. It's just an insecurity of mine. I'm hoping for a light maiming.

Thank you!

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[info]rogueravenclaw
2007-07-12 04:10 am UTC (link)
Very good. Well-thought out. I'm actually about to write an essay supporting the same point, just coming from a different angle. Hopefully your essay will inspire me to actually get it written this time, :D

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