HI!
(they've been growing for 3 months)
i am so proud:]]
-dani

 

...but we're apparently ALSO going against God!


Bare Before God - Shaving and the Bible (probably NSFW)

( For linkaphobes )


I do realize that they mention in the "stubble" section that if you want to go natural, then do it...but pink-kilted Christ on a pogo stick, SERIOUSLY!? Someone ACTUALLY went through the entire Bible to find justification for making women look prepubescent. AFK, crawling into hole to curl up in fetal position and cry with large bottle of vodka.


(x-posted a few spots)

always back for more.

New mods--can I have you put your email addresses down on the info page? Memberships requests are still coming to me, apparently. Also, I think I need to be demodded. Not sure I can do that myself. So . . .

just one.

Nena, since when do you shave your armpit hair?

Lately I've been getting stinky. I use Hugo's deodorant in Sea Fennel. Which is hard to wash out. I use Dr. B's in Eucalyptus. The deodorant has caranuba wax in it.

My pits are awesome. They look like little coochies :) And are getting reddish at the ends like my dreads in gestation.

I use tooth powder to brush my teeth (IPSAB is the brand) It's helpful because I haven't picked up baking soda yet. I would either just use the baking soda alone or with the deodorant I used to use to prevent the cakies.

But I'm in massage therapy school so stinky and sweaty doesn't work at all. I never used to be stinky or sweaty. I can't shower at night and skip it in the morning because I smell too bad for that. I normally shower in the mornings before leaving the house (I feel more refreshed that way)

I was talking to a guy I'm into and mentioned that I'm considering shaving. I don't like talking that way. I'm seeking help from you guys because I'm taking preventative measures. I know that picking up a razor will not help me feel better about myself.

/end rant.

The couple days turned into a week. I apologize. My absenteeism is, of course, the reason that I'm handing over moderatorship. From this day forward, there will be three new moderators. The first task, I think, will be to draw up a new mission statement for the community and from there, I hope we can all crack down on the creepiness. I'll still be here as a regular poster, and I apologize again for not being the attentive moderator I should have been.

Rock on, hairy women.

Best,

Sarah

Moderator update: At this point, provided no one has any protests, the new moderators appear to be: hollowdoll, rockandrollmess, and ilikerivers. (We still need a short blurb from ilikerivers, though.) I hope that having three moderators instead of two will mean that posts will be approved more quickly and problems will be addressed sooner.

I thought that lunaesia said something important on the matter of moderator responsibility and I hope she doesn't mind that I am quoting her. :)

And maybe we need to take more responsibility for articulating our boundaries when we post, rather than afterward when the drama has escalated. In order to do this from a place of safety, though, we need to be able to count on mods to respect our feelings on the matter, without engaging in lengthy debate over people's intentions and characters. Someone may have very high ideals and still cause harm. Mods need to understand this distinction, and intervene when debates form around what someone intended by their words.

I want any potential moderator of this community to realize that they have a responsibility to the group, and with that comes a lack of freedom to post/comment based on their own strong opinions all the time. People in power need to know that their attitudes will have more effect on the feel of the community than those of the rest of us, and will need to exercise more restraint and tact than the average poster. If that sounds unappealing, please consider that the role of moderator may not be one best suited to your talents at this time.

I'm going to quote skiddysmith for the next portion of this post. I realize skiddysmith was supportive of my actions, and I am only quoting this particular paragraph because a few other members expressed more or less the same concerns that she did. Again, I hope that taking such a liberty is not a problem.

She said: i do think there should be an important distinction made between someone's personal livejournal and their actions as a member/moderator/maintainer of a community. i believe that personal space is that, whether someone friends you or not, it is inevitably your choice what you post and say and their choice to keep reading or remove you from their friends page, simple as that. what someone chooses to post in their personal livejournal should have less weight than their actions within the community

I agree wholeheartedly with this statement. In the past, I, for one, have been much more open on LiveJournal than I would have liked. Granted, I don't think I was ever divulged too much of my sexual life, but regardless I would not want my ability to be a moderator judged by my journal's content. That said, I still stand by my original statement that timmytm's personal journal was relevant to my decision to strip him of moderator rights. I agree that he is allowed to have whatever sexual preferences or fetishes that he wants. However, these preferences are at odds with the purpose of this community. I've seen enough of the Internet to know that hairy women are fetishized in certain types of pornography, which I find problematic for several reasons (not least of all because hairy would be the norm--not a fetish--if every woman stopped shaving). If you find women attractive because they have body hair, then you need to join a community along the lines of "Hairy Women and the Men/Women Who Love Them." This particular community was created for women who have ditched the razor because they disagree with shaving as a societal norm. Its intent is to be a supportive safe space. Fetishization and inappropriate remarks will not be tolerated. Even if you do not delve into timmytm's personal journal, his public interests, his icons, and the LiveJournal communities that he is a part of suggest that he is probably in the category of people who fetishizes hairy women.

One poster said You can't live in an entirely sheltered world, part of this community should be dealing with how to handle such types of situations. And I replied, "No. You can't. But that unsheltered world is our everyday reality, where we are ridiculed, harassed, and questioned for not shaving. We should not have to be deflective and defensive in a community designed to be a safe-haven for hairy women. I don't think that's too much to ask since we deal with enough harassment as it is."

I think the important distinction between fetish community and safe space (to put it crudely) needs to be made right now and in the future for anyone currently in this community or anyone thinking about joining this community. If possible, I would like myself or someone else to write an updated "mission statement" for the community. Please volunteer if you would like to do this.

Unless anyone has any qualms or concerns, I will be handing over my moderatorship in the next couple of days to the abovementioned ladies. Please make your opinions heard in the next 48 hours!

To potential runners in the moderator election: In the form of a comment to this post, please write a short blurb about why you would like to be a moderator of this community and, at the risk of sounding dorky, talk about why you think you are qualified.

That is all.

Other members of this community, please give us your input.

I thought I should let you all know that I demodded timmytm. Before anyone says, "God, that power-crazy bitch," please let me explain.

First of all--and please come to your defense, Timmy, if I am being unfair or erroneous--I get a fetishistic vibe from Timmy. He made a remark to me in the past which suggested he found armpit hair sexually attractive, but didn't feel strongly about women preserving their leg hair (i.e., was not attracted to leg hair in the same way). I could be misconstruing his remark entirely, but at this juncture I do not feel it is healthy to support a moderator who prefers one type of body hair over another. Although this community is hairypits in name, it has come to be a place for women with all types of body hair.

I had Timmy's personal journal added in the past as a friend and have been bothered for some time by a few of the posts I saw therein. One was a detailed, graphic picture post of a bottomless woman (hairless vulva and all, I believe) defecating in the woods. If memory serves me correctly, Timmy thought the series of photos was humorous. I am being honest here. I am not trying to slander Timmy. I know we're not all immaculate in our Internet-browsing habits, but this particular post made me question his fitness to moderate this community. In short, it made me uncomfortable. I know that I should have tackled this issue long ago, but again, I've just been busy with school and this community has been low on my priorities (which of course is why I'm giving up my moderatorship).

I also think he is unfit due to the recent mishandling of the situation with roodogas, who had not been banned until I banned him last night.

Timmy, you said: Okay, he said some things people disagree with. He otherwise hasn't posted flagrantly. Don't see what the big deal is.

He did not simply say some things people disagreed with. He was sexist and condescending, and insulted the majority of the women on this community by calling them "posers." If you had even looked cursorily at his journal, you would have seen that he was a fetishistic and somewhat unstable individual. He alludes to erasing evidence of his "sexual devientness [sic]" from his LiveJournal interests so that people won't be put off by him. He rails against a church for rejecting him as a pastor (no wonder). Worse, he solicited a member of this community ("lj user="shemale"> for sex, saying he was interested in "a beautiful woman with a cute penis" who was "preferably disease free". You don't see what the big deal is? You don't see how flagrantly insulting or inappropriate that is? For starters, what about this community being a safe space? What about women being treated for who they are as people and not for what their bodies look like? I thought that was the whole premise of this community.

The majority of compliments that picture posts in this community get are appropriate and respectful. I am not a fan of being unnecessarily politically correct, but I would rather err on the side of caution. Yes, we want support from other hairy women. Yes, some of us want reassurance that we are attractive in spite of having body hair. What we do not want is someone telling us that we are sexy or attractive because we have body hair or because we're transgendered. Is the difference clear? A fetishist only supports unshaven women because he (or she) gets sexual pleasure from body hair, not because he is a supporter of women's rights. I think a good way to screen comments is on a case-to-case basis. If someone objects to a comment, then the user who made the offending comment gets warned. If he or she continues to make unwanted comments, he or she gets banned. If he or she is being sexist, insulting, and vulgar right off the bat, as in roodoga's case, then a ban should go into effect immediately.

I am sorry that the respectful men in this community are being demonized because of a few creepazoids. We appreciate any support we can get, whether from men or from women. But at this point I am not comfortable with a male moderator. I do not know how to resolve the issue of fetishists other than to appoint two or three experienced woman (or woman-identified) moderators who will help straighten the place out and get it into good standing again. I would really like to see women feel comfortable enough to join this community again, because I think we've lost a lot of involvement that we might have otherwise enjoyed had it not been for the trouble with fetishists. If it turns out that an involved, feminist-minded man seems like moderator material, then I would have no objection to giving it another try. I am sincerely sorry to have to be a bit sexist toward the men of this community. Please let me know if you have any suggestions.

Timmy, you also said: I hope the reign you seek isn't as intrusive as I fear it will be.

I am not implementing a reign. I am giving up my moderator status and asking for a democratic vote in regards to the replacement moderators. I demodded you because I feared once this discussion got started, you would demod me and that would be the end of reform for this community. That said, if there are people here who were satisfied with your performance and think it was unfair of me to demod you, I will reconsider. The way I see it right now, you and I are like politicians. A term limit is a good thing, and while I myself am not seeking reelection, you can feel free to begin another campaign.

Please voice your opinions, ladies--on anything--and please let us know your preference for moderators. This is very important.

At this point, it looks like rockandrollmess, hollowdoll, and ilikerivers are in the standing.

Any ladies interested in moderating this community?

I'd like to pass off my moderatorship because a) I'm a full-time student and b) this community is not really what it once was. If there are any women out there who are interested in reforming/propping up this long-lived space for hairy ladies, please respond to this post. I don't know if the other members would prefer using a poll to vote for the best candidates, or if it should just be an unofficial decision. Input is appreciated.

Please let me know. This community is in desperate need of good lady-moderator.

EDIT: The new moderator should be attuned to the needs of the community's members. In other words, if members are harassed by trolls and unwanted sexual remarks no matter how trivial, you will need to act accordingly. There have been too many creepy men in and out of this community for the past few months now, and since I'm not around as much as I'd like to be the problems have only come to my attention months later. Attention to these problems is imperative. This community needs to be a safe space again.

 ( pit hair!!! )

I've just joined and thought I'd say hi to all you lovely people.

I live in the UK and I'm 22. I don't know exactly when I last shaved, but it was probably around a year ago. There are several reasons why I don't shave:

1. Why should I have to? I am not here to be decorative, so I'd rather spend my time doing something I like doing or think is useful, and since I don't *enjoy* removing my hair, or its results, shaving isn't on the list.
2. It's a great and obvious way of saying "fuck off" to beauty standards. Further, as well as saying that more things are beautiful than society seems to like, why do I have to be beautiful at all?
3. It hurts! I have sensitive skin. And stubble is scratchy.
4. All that money! And wasted water.

I'm not hugely interested in arguments how natural things are - defining natural is a bloody nightmare, although I respect that reason in other people's decisions.

I have to admit though, that I do pluck my eyebrows and bleach my upper lip, so I have a way to go to completely ignoring beauty norms, if I ever decide to go there. Right now I am just not brave enough (I got teased mercilessly about both in my younger teenage years). I'm also not brave enough to wear anything that shows my legs or pits in public. I'd like to one day but I don't have the confidence.

I'm queer, and funnily enough the one girl I slept with had more problems with my body hair than any of the guys. I guess it's not that funny (either in the humour sense or in the peculiarity sense).

Hello all,  I am a male so having body hair is "normal".  I just wanted to tell the women on this forum that you have this male's support for you being natural.  Pit hair actually traps the pheremones that are released via the armpits so deoderant and shaving actually fights and contradicts the naturally occuring pheremones.  So if a woman wants to attract the right man, then she wouldn't shave her body hair particularly her pits.  I am sure you all aready knew that, therefore, are not shaving.  I just thought I would share my admiration for women with body hair, plus I find body hair just plain sexy.