Joshua ([info]jb_27) wrote in [info]guns,
@ 2008-06-01 04:52:00
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Arrested ... for knife
I was arrested tonight. I had gotten back from camping last weekend and hadn't taken my hunting knife off my belt, so it was still there when we went into Target. Apparently, the city of Atlanta doesn't allow fixed knives with a blade length greater than 3". The first I heard of this was when there was a cuff on one wrist.

The cop took me to the store office, and when it was apparent that he was going to search me, I told him that I had a firearms license and a firearm. The gun was no problem. He took it out of the holster and unloaded it. The manager is like, "Oh. Px4. Doesn't the Cx4 take the same magazine?" Nice. Make small-talk with the guy in handcuffs. That's only fun if you're going to let me go.

The cop and the store manager go into the back-back office and the cop still has my gun, and, no shit, I hear my gun being dry-fired a couple times. No shit. WHAT WAS YOUR BACKSTOP? The manager comes out and is like, "You like that gun?" I'm like, "Yeah, it's okay." (Why don't you just give it a try while you've got it?)

Meanwhile, the cop is calling for the wagon to take me downtown. He gives my stuff to my girlfriend and I ask him if he can drop off my gun at her house, instead of checking it in as evidence or whatever. I've heard lots of stories about folks never seeing their gun again once it's in the hands of the police. She lives literally one minute from the store, so the cop goes over and drops it off.

Five or six hours in a room full of other arrestees, and my girlfriend eventually bails me out.



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[info]fuzzlemuzzle
2008-06-01 09:03 am UTC (link)
Are you craving revenge after this incident?

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[info]daddygod
2008-06-01 09:16 am UTC (link)
Why would he want revenge?

Yes the dry firing was inexcusable, but considering the officer actually went out of his way to leave the pistol with his girlfriend instead of entering it into property, and the fact that ignorance of the law is not a defense to prosecution, I'd say it's a fair trade off.

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(no subject) - [info]jb_27, 2008-06-01 03:39 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]dwarven_brewer, 2008-06-01 04:05 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]jb_27, 2008-06-01 07:08 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]nightmareredux, 2008-06-01 04:06 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]werz_waldeau, 2008-06-01 07:27 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]daddygod, 2008-06-01 10:06 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]jb_27, 2008-06-02 03:14 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]daddygod, 2008-06-02 04:28 am UTC

[info]jb_27
2008-06-03 02:35 pm UTC (link)
Just for the record: no.

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[info]amiga500
2008-06-01 09:50 am UTC (link)
Well, this is making me feel less annoying for checking if my husband's visibly carrying, or doing so in places where he shouldn't be. At least you got the gun back.

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[info]izuko
2008-06-01 10:16 am UTC (link)
So, are all butchers now criminals? I can assure you they have fixed knives over three inches in length.

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[info]daddygod
2008-06-01 10:36 am UTC (link)
Yes, but I'd be willing to bet they don't walk around in public wearing them on their belt.

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(no subject) - [info]firstashore, 2008-06-01 11:55 am UTC

[info]jb_27
2008-06-02 04:09 pm UTC (link)
You are specifically allowed to have it in your home or place of business. Also, you can have it in public as long as it is "wrapped and not readily accessible."

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[info]kittiethedragon
2008-06-01 11:26 am UTC (link)
3"? Really? Even NYC is 4".

Unless something's gone horribly a stray and the laws have changed on me...

*sigh*

I should check again.

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[info]zercool
2008-06-01 12:36 pm UTC (link)
NYC is indeed 4", but open carry of knives is completely prohibited. I got pulled aside by a cop there for having my folding knife clipped *inside my pocket* with just the clip on the outside. He didn't arrest me, just told me to stick it all the way into my pocket. I do, however, have a suspicion that if I'd not been wearing my FD jacket and carrying my dispatch ID, I'd probably have lost the knife.

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(no subject) - [info]twizmer, 2008-06-01 02:28 pm UTC
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[info]christophrawr
2008-06-01 04:02 pm UTC (link)
NYC *is* 4", but lately they've been trying to consider thumb-opening knives as GRAVITY BLADES. which as we all know, is ballast. but i happen to favor my Spyderco Harpy, which is 2 3/4, and can cut through a steel belted radial. i don't see how all this can be possible, but it's something to consider.


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(no subject) - [info]ninjalawyer, 2008-06-01 10:57 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]christophrawr, 2008-06-01 11:06 pm UTC

[info]roadrash1970
2008-06-01 11:52 am UTC (link)
Both incredibly unlucky and lucky at the same time. Unlucky to be hassled and arrested for the knife but extremely lucky to have the pistol remain in your possession.

Funny how in the eyes of the state/city/town your qualified to carry the cannon of your choice under a coat/shirt but its the knife they consider so dangerous that you have to be arrested. DUMB

To push the DUMB threshold even further.... How much trouble would you have gotten in if you were pushing your cart through the isles of Target with $300 bucks worth of Razor sharp high quality kitchen knives that are a FOOT LONG from the kitchen isle!

So, I guess their definition is that if the knife is "On a Belt", YOUR IN BIG TROUBLE and must be arrested because you are some kind of threat to society and must be immediately taken off the streets, but having 12 of them at your fingertips in the Cart is perfectly fine and you can go about spending your money in our store.

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[info]ernunnos
2008-06-01 12:48 pm UTC (link)
So a CCW doesn't apply to knives in Atlanta?

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(no subject) - [info]ilcylic, 2008-06-01 01:24 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]blishlock, 2008-06-01 03:22 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]lildobe, 2008-06-02 12:24 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]jb_27, 2008-06-01 03:42 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]unix_jedi, 2008-06-01 04:35 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]jb_27, 2008-06-03 02:37 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]montieth, 2008-06-02 04:38 pm UTC

[info]talldean
2008-06-01 01:20 pm UTC (link)
I almost had the same problem in Baltimore on Monday; stlll had a 4" fixed blade in it's holster when I stopped in Baltimore for a sammich. My girlfriend for the win.

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[info]ilcylic
2008-06-01 01:27 pm UTC (link)
Still more Jim Crow legacy 4TL. Sorry to hear about it. At least your gun wasn't impounded.

You might want to lawyer up. I may just be fearmongering, but it seems like a "weapons violation conviction" might provide the state with the wherewithal to pull your CCW.

Around these parts, a DUI conviction will, so it's not inconceivable that there are similar such riders out there.

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Jay-Zus man!!!
[info]turkchief
2008-06-01 01:31 pm UTC (link)
That shit sounds more like here in New York than something that would go down in Georgia!!!!...TC

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[info]deviantsaint
2008-06-01 02:10 pm UTC (link)
I think you need to look at this in terms of something useful you can learn.

Okay, so you made a big mistake and got cuffed because to onlookers you were some random dude who walked in flashing a knife. (yeah I know you weren't waving it around, but just be flexible with me here).

You had someone who was already humanizing you by making small talk regarding your handgun. The cuffs, in some instances are mandatory, I know from my CCW class and from knowing alot of cops that sometimes they cuff you for their own safety, and I know from being having restrained people before, that most of the time it's just to make sure he's not going to do much if he "breaks bad on you."

what I see out of all this is an opportunity to humanize yourself from "guy with a gun." to having a name, and a back story, and what not. You were handed a huge chance to establish rapport, and in instances where there is alot left to the discretion of the officer (and you'd be suprised how much is actually left to that) you will more easily be left alone, or released. Because the police officer has determined that you are not a threat.

or as it was decribed to me "you know, this guy is not a badguy or a doper or something."

meh.

Edited at 2008-06-01 02:13 pm UTC

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[info]jb_27
2008-06-01 03:45 pm UTC (link)
I did make small talk back with the guy. He asked if the Cx4 took Px4 mags, and I said, "No, I think it's just 92 mags." I also small-talked with the cop about how I liked the gun. It's just, the manager was with the cop when the cop was calling for the wagon, so I'm pretty sure he knew I was going in, so the small talk just kind of seemed extraneous. Please. All I care about right now is things that will help me not get arrested. If small-talking about my gun won't accomplish that, then it's just capricious.

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(no subject) - [info]mrbogey, 2008-06-01 04:08 pm UTC

[info]blishlock
2008-06-01 03:24 pm UTC (link)
Lawyer up. You do NOT need a "weapons violation" on your record; that's enough for many states to pull your CCW and for employers to toss your resume automatically.

You need to get this taked down or dismissed entirely.

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[info]wxgeek
2008-06-01 03:28 pm UTC (link)
This.

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[info]christophrawr
2008-06-01 04:03 pm UTC (link)
I agree with blishy on this one.

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(no subject) - [info]azreel, 2008-06-02 03:50 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]christophrawr, 2008-06-02 04:17 am UTC

[info]angry_user
2008-06-01 07:08 pm UTC (link)
For such a redneck, bible thumping, god and guns part of the country, our weapons laws fucking suck.

You got pinged for violating Sec. 106-306 of the Atlanta Municipal code, I would guess.
http://library2.municode.com/default/template.htm?view=document&doc_action=setHitDoc&doc_hit=1

good luck, and sorry you have to deal with such bullshit.

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[info]montieth
2008-06-02 04:39 pm UTC (link)
You know it's the democrats that want to keep these Jim Crow laws on the books right?

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(no subject) - [info]angry_user, 2008-06-03 01:53 am UTC

[info]x3n
2008-06-02 02:34 am UTC (link)
Doesn't target sell hunting knives?

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[info]jb_27
2008-06-02 03:17 am UTC (link)
Oh, irony.

According to my reading of the ordinance, the operative phrase is, "readily accessible." In blister-pack... probably not. On a sheath? Seems so.

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[info]jimp220
2008-06-02 04:06 am UTC (link)
Go to the rear of the Target store, find their utility room, turn the main breaker on/off several times and then leave it in the off position and sedaddle while it is dark. Repeat this several times over a few days then call the manager annonymously and tell him to drop the charges or it will continue, just an idea I've been brainstorming lately (the local Mall Wart hates it when I do this)

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[info]kizayaen
2008-06-02 06:45 am UTC (link)
...then call the manager annonymously and tell him to drop the charges or it will continue...

How's that gonna work?

"Yeah, I'm... uh, some random third party. Drop the charges against some OTHER guy who is VERY OBVIOUSLY NOT ME or this harassment will continue. And it's not me. Really. Did I mention it's not me?"

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(no subject) - [info]jb_27, 2008-06-03 02:40 pm UTC

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