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[info]regulationfree
2007-11-04 02:15 pm UTC (link)
I really, really love these,
but the model's nose is a little reminiscent of Michael Jackson's.
D:

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[info]hey_skeletor
2007-11-04 02:41 pm UTC (link)
All of the pictures without the model are fantastic. She looks almost dead in some of them.

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[info]barbarella24
2007-11-04 05:03 pm UTC (link)
Exactly. The model is kind of boring and expressionless.

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[info]eyelines
2007-11-04 05:43 pm UTC (link)
yes, i definitely think they're making an interesting
stance by having her look so absolutely livid in most of them,
while they're all vivacious and bright. in a way it's sort of
a criticism to our “western way of living”, so to speak.

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[info]genissimo
2007-11-04 02:47 pm UTC (link)
culturally and artistically fascinating!

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[info]magistrix
2007-11-04 03:32 pm UTC (link)
After studying some of the peoples of Papua New Guinea in my anthropology class, I'm a little offended by this shoot...

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[info]ohlily
2007-11-04 04:08 pm UTC (link)
Why, what did they get wrong?

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[info]magistrix
2007-11-04 05:00 pm UTC (link)
The portrayal of their culture, how the magazine romanticized it while still putting it down as a more "primitive" culture than ours.

It's like they said, here, that's a cool-looking place to shoot, let's take all our cameras and high fashion down where all these primitive tribesmen live, and take pictures of helpless-looking, well-dressed white girls among the scantily-clad, feathered natives, who are clustered around her as if she (an embodiment of western culture) were a divine being.

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[info]ohlily
2007-11-04 05:07 pm UTC (link)
Well, obviously -- it's Vogue. That's sort of how they see themselves, isn't it? I just thought you meant there were more specific inaccuracies. But thanks for articulating that! Because it does need to be said.

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[info]magistrix
2007-11-04 08:51 pm UTC (link)
Unfortunately Vogue is still shrouded in imperialistic ideology. I didn't read closely enough for specific inaccuracies because when I first browsed through, I was just about to leave the house, but now I feel I should take some more time...

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[info]eyelines
2007-11-04 05:26 pm UTC (link)
i also felt “something” when i saw this shoot, i am not sure
if i'd say i was offended, but at least i was “taken aback” and that's
why i posted it - i'd like to see what others has to say about it.
tragically i think it's generally a dead end situation with shoots like this,
because regardless of how you portrait it, it's two cultures clashing -
it must be incredibly hard to execute it in a way that doesn't offend or
degrade one side or the other.

while i think you have a point about the whole “let's take all our cameras
and high fashion down where all these primitive tribesmen live”-thing,
in my personal opinion i don't see it as they portrayed as clustered around
a “divine being” - more like they're almost overshadowing her, because she certainly
pales in comparision. but that's just my opinion :)

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[info]a1icey
2007-11-04 11:28 pm UTC (link)
i agree with your second paragraph.

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[info]weekendromance
2007-11-04 05:52 pm UTC (link)
i didn't want to say it..but i understand what you're saying. I felt somewhat offended, even though I haven't studied the culture. I'm not completely offended but it just didn't feel 'right' to me. I think photoshoots like this are so overdone. I just don't see the point in the photoshoot..the clothes were almost pretty much horrible and she's just so lifeless...they basically put iekeliene next to a some tribe men and took pictures. The men in the photos made the photoshoot..they shouldn't of even put Iekeliene in it

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[info]a1icey
2007-11-04 11:29 pm UTC (link)
yet the photography is excellent, i think that makes up for it.

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[info]londonsound
2007-11-04 09:58 pm UTC (link)
I WAS JUST ABOUT TO POST THIS. I find it really offensive.

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[info]jebe
2007-11-06 07:43 am UTC (link)
Have you seen the Kiera Knightly africa shoot? It was 100x worse than this. Ugh.

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[info]karenleigh
2007-11-04 04:39 pm UTC (link)
It offends me also, but I'm not exactly sure why.

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[info]paledragonwings
2007-11-04 04:54 pm UTC (link)
I feel like the designer and photographer totally didn't get it. =(

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[info]magistrix
2007-11-04 05:01 pm UTC (link)
How do you mean?

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[info]tyulka
2007-11-04 05:12 pm UTC (link)
+1.
I hate it when they put these starving models into native "savage" environments and make it look "fashion".

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[info]__uptight
2007-11-04 05:34 pm UTC (link)
wow the ones without the model are amazing. even the ones with her are amazing if you forget she's there. it's so funny how the men made better models than the actual model.

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[info]a1icey
2007-11-04 11:31 pm UTC (link)
that's my favorite part!!! with their majestic bellies. they are candid and full of personality.

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[info]jebe
2007-11-06 07:44 am UTC (link)
I completely agree.

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[info]unwoman
2007-11-04 06:20 pm UTC (link)
I like the leaf as a hat.

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[info]brecarey
2007-11-04 07:46 pm UTC (link)
i like the ones without the model most, tbqh.

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[info]mon_sucre_chat
2007-11-04 08:26 pm UTC (link)
Iekeline's definitely at her best in editorials. I think she looks very pretty.

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[info]seewhyduh
2007-11-04 09:27 pm UTC (link)
i really like them especially the one with the old man.

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[info]llamazilla
2007-11-04 11:54 pm UTC (link)
..wow. aahaa

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[info]198735168461328
2007-11-05 12:31 am UTC (link)
The old man makes me think of my grandpa. :)

I think Iekeline looks great.

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[info]booksaremyhabit
2007-11-05 12:46 am UTC (link)
I love these

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[info]liiishaa
2007-11-05 09:38 am UTC (link)
i like them :D

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[info]nivekout
2007-11-05 11:05 am UTC (link)
the sweater and scarf photo is so lovely,it is perfect!she is like bug.thanks!

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[info]elespartano
2007-11-05 04:20 pm UTC (link)
I honestly think they aimed to mimi the garb of the tribes men with the mohair/ feather prada and the giles scarf sweater combo. It is renforcing this seasons overwhenling tribal trends. I take it as a celebration of tribal culture and the beautiful aesthetic. not everything is ment to incite a cause, sometimes it is just fashion as art.

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[info]junolovesmars
2007-11-10 07:25 pm UTC (link)
i second everything you said

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[info]urbanisolation
2007-11-06 05:19 pm UTC (link)
How fucking pretentious - "thankfully, they didn't come out to see us".

Oh, because I'm sure they have a fucking tabloid newspaper highlighting which model and co. is coming into town this season(!) Suffice to say that I stopped reading after that.
I had to study PNG independently [inc. their politics, "real" culture, etc] since I chose the area for an art project in year 8 (age 12), whilst everyone else chose bloody North American/Italian opera [can't remember exact place] for their culture & masks.
Maybe Vogue should watch Bruce Parry's Tribe [esp the episodes where he went to PNG] before they go off jet-setting and adding carbon miles for the sake of a shitty photoshoot that doesn't deliver.

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[info]junolovesmars
2007-11-10 07:24 pm UTC (link)
i can understand maybe if people are somewhat offended, but i don't look at it like it's a primitive group of people. it's just a different civilization, doesn't make it better or worse than ours.

i personally think its a cute shoot, especially the giant scarf/sweater.

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[info]seekerchick
2007-11-12 02:12 am UTC (link)
The only one I thought was even vaguely good was the one were the model is wearing a green dress with a blue backdrop. The rest are eh.

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