Kathryn ([info]kat_nic) wrote in [info]food_porn,
@ 2008-01-28 14:36:00
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Hello, everyone :) I'm relatively new to lj, only been here a few months. Anyhow, I'm strictly an amateur here, but I've been considering changing my major and going to culinary school.

I had a problem with this brownie recipe a few days ago. Any advice? And next time I'll post about something I made that was good, I promise.



Fudgy Buttermilk Brownies,
1 cup all purpose flour
1 cup firmly packed light brown sugar
1/4 cup unsweetened cocoa powder
1/2 teaspoon baking soda
1/4 teaspoon salt
Whites of two large eggs, egg substitute equivalent to 1 egg or one large egg
1/2 cup unsweetened applesauce
1/2 cup fat-free or low fat buttermilk
2 tespoons vanilla extract

-Preheat oven to 350
-Lightly spray a 9" square baking pan with vegetable oil spray
-In a medium bowl, stir together the flour, brown sugar, cocoa powder, baking soda and salt. In a small bowl, lightly whisk the egg whites. Whisk in the remaining brownie ingredients. Whisk in the flour mixture until well blended.
-Pour the batter into the baking pan.
-Bake for 30 minutes. Let cool in the pan on a cooling rack.

There was a frosting recipe too, which I didn't bother with. It was out of the the New American Heart Association Cookbook, Seventh Edition. I was game to try it, especially since it was supposed to be healthy. They were terrible (I should have known). Even though I used skim milk instead of buttermilk, that really shouldn't have made much difference--should it? They were cakey and dry and not the way brownies are supposed to look or taste, at all. I thought it the applesauce, at first, because my sister told me she made cookies with applesauce instead of butter and they were spongy, like little cakes. So I made it again with 1/2 cup of canola oil and they were still cakey. Any advice on how to modify the recipe for actual fudgy brownies? I no longer care about how healthy it is.




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[info]winemedineme
2008-01-28 08:10 pm UTC (link)
Skim milk can't be substituted for buttermilk-- the acid in the buttermilk reacts with the baking soda to leaven the brownies. That's why they were dry and dense.

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[info]kat_nic
2008-01-28 08:26 pm UTC (link)
Live and learn, right? I'm not much of a baker.

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[info]winemedineme
2008-01-28 08:30 pm UTC (link)
We all have to make mistakes. :) An easy substitute for buttermilk, if you don't have it, is to add some vinegar or lemon juice. Same idea, slightly different taste.

http://whatscookingamerica.net/Q-A/Buttermilk.htm

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[info]scearley
2008-01-28 08:12 pm UTC (link)
I used skim milk instead of buttermilk, that really shouldn't have made much difference--should it?

Yes, that's exactly what's happening. Use buttermilk.

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[info]kitarra
2008-01-28 08:19 pm UTC (link)
Applesauce usually makes baked goods dense and moist so substituting oil only makes them higher in fat.

That being said you also probably overbaked them. Brownies need to be underbaked. They need to be removed right before you think they might be on the verge of being done. Because they will continue to cook in the pan and get dry.

Buttermilk and skim milk are not interchangeable per se. You could add some lemon juice to the skim milk and set it aside for half an hour to get close.

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[info]kat_nic
2008-01-28 08:28 pm UTC (link)
Thanks for the tip! The second time I made them I took them out after twenty-five minutes and still the same result.

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[info]lillbet
2008-01-28 08:23 pm UTC (link)
I was curious about this, so I Google-d :)

Ironically buttermilk and applesauce are a heart healthy fat substitute for your typical baking fat. You were on the right track, actually, but went a lil' too far by eliminating the buttermilk.

Baking is a learning experience!

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[info]zaphod_groupie
2008-01-28 08:23 pm UTC (link)
These are the best dark fudgy brownies EVER.

8 eggs
28 oz sugar
1 tsp vanilla
1 tsp baking powder
1.5 pounds dark (somewhere in the 65-70 range) baking chocolate (Callebaut is best)
1 lb butter
2 cups milk chocolate chips
1 lb bread flour

In the bown of a large stand mixer, beat the eggs, sugar and vanilla 'til fluffy, and then mix in the baking powder. In a microwavable bowl, microwave the butter and dark chocolate in 30 second intervals, mixing between each, until melted and somewhat combined. Add the chocolate mixture into the egg mixture on medium speed. Next, sift in the bread flour in small batches, then mix in the milk chocolate chips. Don't forget to scrape the sides of the bowl!

Spread the resulting batter onto a half-sheet pan lined with parchment and bake in a 400 degree oven for about 35 minutes. If you don't want a whole half sheet, cut the recipe in half and use a 9x13 pan.

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[info]subarashiine
2008-01-28 08:26 pm UTC (link)
Buttermilk isn't bad for you, and skim milk is in no way a substitute for it... that is why the brownies didn't turn out well.

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[info]kat_nic
2008-01-28 08:30 pm UTC (link)
It's not that I thought it wasn't healthy, I just didn't have any, it not being something I use very often.

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[info]bitterpoetry
2008-01-29 12:06 am UTC (link)
You can buy cans of powdered buttermilk (I'm rather fond of this); they're usually in the baking aisle. Once you open it, you can just keep it in the fridge.

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[info]jaberwockynmt
2008-02-01 07:58 pm UTC (link)
You can substitute for buttermilk, but it's a tiny bit of work:
Gently warm the volume of milk called for to get the cold edge off, but not to be as warm as room temperature (I usually do this in the microwave). Add 1 teaspoon white vinegar per cup. stir. Let sit for at least 5 minutes before using. Stir again immediately before use.

It doesn't come out exactly like buttermilk, but it's as close as you can get without the real thing.

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[info]pressdbtwnpages
2008-01-28 08:29 pm UTC (link)
Substituting skim milk for buttermilk was a no-no, and oil for applesauce probably didn't help anything.

Unlike cooking, baking involves a lot of chemistry, so you really can't substitute ingredients or amounts in recipes beyond doubling or halving the entire recipe or changing things like using white chocolate instead of dark, etc.

The recipe writers know what they're doing. Mostly.

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[info]kat_nic
2008-01-28 08:35 pm UTC (link)
Well, the cookies were spongy, and it was a recipe that we make all the time, so I'm sure she didn't fudge it (forgive the pun--I couldn't resist, lol). Well, okay, once a year at Christmas. And anyway, I though canola oil was a good fat, so why not use it in baking? I'll experiment with applesauce a bit more and see what happens.

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