Papagena}♥ ([info]swirl_of_gown) wrote in [info]finchfic,
@ 2006-05-09 23:48:00
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Photo Research
It has come to my attention that the pairing of Evey and Finch has become favored and is even suggested "movie canon". I, as a Evey/Finch shipper myself have studied the scenes in which Finch explains to Dominic his "feeling" and I have decided after analyzing the screencaptures found HERE by [info]spiffybean that (in my humble opinion) the relationship between Finch and Evey is romantic.

I now present the evidence.

If you study the captures you will notice the books and films, which are obviously things from the Shadow Gallery. However, the presence of a fire place leads me to believe that Evey has moved, and brought V's books and films with her. Note also, the Scarlet Carson roses which Evey is arranging.

This is obviously Evey's element.

But it's Finch's as well. I don't know about you but I have NO friends who can sit on my sofa so comfortably drinking out of MY glasses so at ease. Finch is at home. This is his home as well as Evey's.

But what I want you to notice more than anything is the photo on the mantle. I have taken a screencap myself and labeled it.




Notice the photograph on the mantle is primarily WHITE, which leads me to believe it is a wedding portrait. You can clearly distinguish a man and a woman (both labeled) and his hand is resting about her (also labeled).

Now, this is not concrete evidence, as it could be anyone-- If Finch is indeed just a friend come over for a drink, maybe it's a picture of Evey's parents? I personally believe it to be a picture of Evey and Finch.




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[info]weelittleelf
2006-05-10 09:34 am UTC (link)
Wow. Damn. Conclusive evidence! J/K But that's a pretty damn small picture. ;) Not trying to offend, I'm just in a snarky mood due to the fact that it's 4:30 a.m. and I'm still studying for finals. Well, supposedly.

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[info]swirl_of_gown
2006-05-10 12:03 pm UTC (link)
I'm not offended in the least. Once the DVD comes out I'll be able to better cap the scene and maybe even spot a wedding band. Finch seems the best bet for that given he's holding his cup with his left hand.

As a great detective (though who I'm not sure) said: "There are no small clues."

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[info]lydzi_de_galles
2006-05-10 04:04 pm UTC (link)
Héhé! Maybe ^^. I like the idea so I'm keeping it until thet dvd :p.
Anyway, the all environment feels like "home".

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[info]madamtorsion
2006-05-10 11:49 pm UTC (link)
Now that I see the still, I think we can all definitively say that's Finch in the mirror - can you cap the earlier scene where he's holding a glass? I'd like to know that the way in which I came to believe that's Finch isn't entirely...well...crazy.

By the way - is there anything to support this in the novel? I've not read it yet, but I'm planning on it. I'll make sure to post my conclusions once I've finished.

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[info]swirl_of_gown
2006-05-11 02:22 am UTC (link)
I most certainly can. It may have to wait a while since my copy has decided not to work in my laptop. But if you've guessed it's him because of the way he holds his glass? Dead on. It was the sleeves and the color for me.

In the Graphic Novel Evey isn't even mentioned as an accomplice to V. Finch has never met her. In fact, he's leaving London by the end. The Graphic Novel suggests that Evey and Dominic will fall in love though.

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[info]madamtorsion
2006-05-11 02:23 am UTC (link)
Yeah and now that I'm looking at his shirt, I see how you got it as well.

That and just think of the filmmakers, perhaps they just wanted to show that Evey was moving on and had a man in her life, but I can't help but think that they could have just had a glimpse of the picture or anything but what they did show. The fact that he's mimicking the earlier actions of a character make me think they did that on purpose because they want you to draw that conclusion.

Or maybe we're attaching conclusions to things because that's what we want to believe. But hey, if the shoe fits - we all saw how Finch looks at her in the end of the film.

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[info]madamtorsion
2006-05-11 02:25 am UTC (link)
Really? Wow, so they changed quite a bit then. Ah well, I guess any fic I write will be predominantly movieverse then.

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[info]swirl_of_gown
2006-05-11 02:35 am UTC (link)
The end of the movie is the proof beyond all proof for me. Just the fact Evey repeated the words V told her, and we know what happened with them. It solidifies my hopes. ^^ And no one ever said that Evey and Finch DIDN'T become a pair. They leave it for us to play with, which I rather like.

Indeed. I don't mind though because it was done well. But then, in the Graphic Novel Dominic was more involved than Finch was-- The equivilant of Movie-Finch. Though Finch was still his superior.

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[info]madamtorsion
2006-05-11 02:44 am UTC (link)
I wonder why they changed that in the screenplay.

And what exactly is Finch's position? I know his title is Chief Inspector, but is that just of that precinct or of all of London police?

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[info]swirl_of_gown
2006-05-11 02:58 am UTC (link)
Head of "The Nose". His department is more detective-work and forensics rather than brute force. He's one of the five most powerful men in England alond with Dascombe from "The Mouth" Heyer from "The Eye" Almond and later Creedy from "The Finger" and then the Leader himself, Sutler/Susan.

It's all of England that Finch is in charge of.

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[info]swirl_of_gown
2006-05-11 03:03 am UTC (link)
Oh. And Whatshisface from "The Ear".

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[info]madamtorsion
2006-05-11 04:48 am UTC (link)
Oh - and I just noticed what you were listening to. Rilo Kiley = love.

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[info]swirl_of_gown
2006-05-11 12:25 pm UTC (link)
*nods eagerly* ^^ I love it. That song was the name of my very first Finch-fic.

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[info]aureliapriscus
2006-05-11 06:29 am UTC (link)
Ooo! Ooo! Is Whatshisface Etheridge? He had, like, thirty seconds of screen time in the movie, in which he was all put-upon and strangely adorable. I like him. >_>;;;

*/demented*

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[info]swirl_of_gown
2006-05-11 12:25 pm UTC (link)
THAT'S the one. Thank you, I went to bed wondering about who headed the ear.

xD Most all of the Five seem put-upon. But yes, Etheridge and Finch especially. <.<" Though Finch seems more constipated at first.

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[info]madamtorsion
2006-05-11 04:40 am UTC (link)
Ah, wow - powerful, indeed then. How well does the novel do justice to Finch's character? I'm intrigued by what I've seen in the movie and have heard that the novel gives a lot more of his background (of course, it's not hard to do seeing as how they give you NONE in the movie).

I always wondered why the hell they were called fingermen...thanks for clearing that up.

Oh and by the way - I took caps from Evelyn this evening. Stephen Rea's character has a few drinks in that movie, so I took caps from those scenes and he holds his glass the same way every time. I'm posting them in [info]zomgrea at the moment if you want to check them out.

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[info]swirl_of_gown
2006-05-11 12:22 pm UTC (link)
Novel-Finch and Movie-Finch are two separate people entirely it seems. However, it's obvious with both that they don't agree with Norsefire and the government, though Novel-Finch has more backbone and actually tells Susan/Sutler that his loyalty is to England and not to Norsefire. Novel-Finch had no restrictions in his investigation, which meant he wasn't as frustrated. No one was threatening to black-bag him and Susan/Sutler gave him free reign in looking for such things as Larkhill (though once again, Dominic was the one who found out about Larkhill).

HOWEVER, Novel-Finch had a personal connection to the case after Delia was killed and he had a breakdown so you saw more dedication, more fire in him than in Movie-Finch.

I personally blend their aspects together for my story. Novel-Finch backstory with Movie-Finch personality and such.

Both are World-Weary and have suffered, Movie-Finch just seems more distraught than Novel-Finch...though Stephen Rea always looks distraught in his movies.'

Ooh! Caps! *grins and goes to look*

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[info]madamtorsion
2006-05-11 02:49 pm UTC (link)
Thanks for the comparison, I had no idea they were such different characters. I'm actually surprised now to hear so little complaint from people who were fans of the novel first (or maybe I'm just not looking hard enough).

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[info]aureliapriscus
2006-05-11 03:41 pm UTC (link)
The few people I know that read the novel first seem to think of Finch in the film as an improvement. Of course, I approached everything the wrong way around ("It's midnight, why am I at this screening for this bloody comic book movie--hey, rumpled law enforcement!"), but from what I gather Finch's much more likeable in the film. In the novel, he's less Jim Gordon and more Inspector Javert. Or so I've heard, anyway. I've been lax about reading it. Bad me.

There are people that are old school Finch fans (I know because a few have joined, eheh), but I expect the film version was easiest to like. Most other people are all about V and Evey, anyway. ;)

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[info]madamtorsion
2006-05-11 04:51 pm UTC (link)
"hey, rumpled law enforcement!"

It's official, that's going on an icon as soon as I get home from work tonight.

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[info]swirl_of_gown
2006-05-11 09:53 pm UTC (link)
I much prefer Movie-Finch and I've been a fan of the comics since the 90s when my dad gave me his copies.

You see-- I disagree there, actually. He's more friendly in the novel. He's playful and he smiles and flirts and is sarcastic rather than mopey and...cute as a lost puppy. He's almost arrogant the way Dominic seems to find all the leads and Finch gets the credit. And in the same coin he seems to have no real reason to live and is just sort of...there.

Eh. I just can't grasp the idea that V and Evey are OTP since in the novel Evey was 17 when he died. I'm all about Evey/Dominic and Evey/Finch.

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[info]aureliapriscus
2006-05-11 10:01 pm UTC (link)
Ah, well you'd be the one to know. As I've said, I'm going mostly off the feedback of friends of mine who read the comics first and then saw the films. They obviously weren't fans of Finch by any stretch of the imagination previously, so it's quite possible their perceptions were a bit skewed. :)

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[info]aureliapriscus
2006-05-11 10:02 pm UTC (link)
Film, even. Talk about wishful thinking.

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[info]aureliapriscus
2006-05-11 03:43 pm UTC (link)
Er, to clarify, he's an improvement in the movie so far as making him a likeable character goes. The whole symbolizing "order" versus "chaos" is rather lost, I suspect. But from what I've seen if you didn't like him in the beginning you didn't really much care what happened to him, or alternately sort of hoped he'd go away so there'd be more V and Evey screentime. :P

Me speak English good. If you can make sense of any of this, I'll give you a cookie.

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[info]madamtorsion
2006-05-11 04:55 pm UTC (link)
As far as the movie goes, my friends have been overwhelmingly anti V/Evey love story. I don't know why, I think it adds a depth to the story that's not normally found in films of this genre.

I'm not sure what they thought of Finch, most of them haven't even mentioned him upon seeing it so I'm guessing he wasn't really in the equation for them.

As far as being more sympathetic in the movie - well, when you've got Stephen Rea playing him what can you expect? Hell, I even felt a little bad for Santiago and he was kind of a bastard.

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[info]aureliapriscus
2006-05-11 05:06 pm UTC (link)
If they were fans of the graphic novel, it might have something to do with the distortion of their relationship in the film. There was no romance of a traditional sort in the GN, from what I can gather. Evey, in particular, was a very different girl. She was only sixteen for starters.

And, yeah, with Stephen Rea it was kind of a given (Oh, Santiago, I still don't know whether to mourn the loss of pretty or simply chuckle and mutter "pwned" under my breath). Still, I'm glad they made the changes they did. I expect I'll like GN!Finch anyhow, but Movie!Finch is too adorable for words.

(... again with the adorable. Christ.)

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[info]madamtorsion
2006-05-12 02:51 am UTC (link)
I think I may like GN!Finch anyhow because the whole time I'm reading it, I'll have Stephen Rea in my head. That will certainly help my decision along, I think.

All the people I've gone to see it with had never read the GN, they hadn't even heard of it, I don't think. So these impressions were based on the movie alone.

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[info]swirl_of_gown
2006-05-11 09:57 pm UTC (link)
Oh, there are plenty of complaints and it took me 2 times in theatres before I decided V for Vendetta hadn't been wrecked. GN fans need to simply go in thinking "It's BASED on the comic."

I like the story in the novel better, but I can't help but be fascinated by the movie ...And Stephen Rea certainly helps some.

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[info]madamtorsion
2006-05-12 02:54 am UTC (link)
Ah, I guess they're just not prevalent in the communities I post in. I'm just comparing it with the outrage of the stage fan community when Phantom of the Opera came in...2004, I think. And they didn't even have the excuse that the original creator wasn't involved like VfV does. But people still lament the making of that film, it doesn't even compare to seeing it on the stage.

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