lidoleducoeur ([info]lidoleducoeur) wrote in [info]feminists4life,
@ 2005-10-13 14:52:00
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Just a rant
The words that pro-choicers use now a days really upsets me. One phrase in particular. "Women should have the same reproductive freedoms as men." They make it sound like men can give birth, and kill their babies whenever they want, but women are these poor slaves shackled to a wall, forced to bear, and raise, these horrible monster children. They fail to realize that Women will *NEVER* have the same freedoms as men, because men can't, and won't ever be able to, give birth. Instead of trying to make themselves 'equal' to men, they need to seriously realize that, due to basic differences of our bodies, we will never be able to be equal. We will always be as good as each other, but we will never be equal.
What they *should* be saying, in my opinion, is "Women need to define themselves, and their bodies, as a species apart from men, and not treat treat them how men, and the male-dominated society says we should treat them, but as we feel our hearts tell us to."
Or something like that. I can't quite get the words in my head to reflect the words on the screen... but still, it just makes me so mad! Even the best-operated transexual will never be equal to women. Again, not better or worse, the same in quality, just not equal.
Thanks for listening to my rant. :)



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[info]dustthouart
2005-10-13 10:07 pm UTC (link)
You've got your terms mixed up. We are equal but we are NOT the same or identical.
Equal means "having the same value or worth"; identical means "exactly alike; indistinguishable".
You need to be careful with terms because before you know it some pro-choicer will be screaming "pro-lifers think women aren't equal to men!" Don't give them any weapons! ;)

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[info]lidoleducoeur
2005-10-13 10:08 pm UTC (link)
Yes! Identical was the word I was looking for. I couldn't think of the right term, and that's why I specified that we are as good as each other, for that very reason. Thanks!

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[info]neurotic_orchid
2005-10-13 10:19 pm UTC (link)
I completely agree. :)

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[info]fellcat
2005-10-13 10:29 pm UTC (link)
I think you mean that we are equal, but are fundamentally different.

But, yes, our society is run by men, and if it wasn't then I honestly think that we wouldn't need or want elective abortion.

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[info]lidoleducoeur
2005-10-13 10:31 pm UTC (link)
Yes, dustthouart pointed out the first bit to me. :) And I completely agree on the second one... Men have given single motherhood, and low-income motherhood out to be a horrible stigma, when it's really one of the bravest things a woman can do, in my opinion.

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[info]hbpen
2005-10-13 11:31 pm UTC (link)
"Women should have the same reproductive freedoms as men."

Well in that case, they should think men should have the same reproductive freedoms as women. So they need to be up-in-arms to find a way to let men give birth. ;)

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[info]lidoleducoeur
2005-10-13 11:32 pm UTC (link)
lol. Exactly!!

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[info]mmeubiquitous
2005-10-14 04:04 am UTC (link)
I think that instead of expecting less responsibility for children from women, we should expect more responsibility from men.

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[info]lidoleducoeur
2005-10-14 05:56 pm UTC (link)
Yes, we should. :)

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[info]pattiecake
2005-10-14 08:12 pm UTC (link)
hear hear

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[info]pattiecake
2005-10-14 08:12 pm UTC (link)
or here here ... some sort of sign of agreeance

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[info]fellcat
2005-10-14 11:46 pm UTC (link)
It's hear, hear, used in the UK House of Commons, and I agree too.

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[info]mmeubiquitous
2005-10-14 08:22 pm UTC (link)
Wow...what a creepy icon!

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[info]pattiecake
2005-10-14 08:28 pm UTC (link)
i think it looks evey creepier when you see it in a row. not that it is my intent. ;) one of my favorite bands is Hole.

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