feminist: what the fuck does that even mean?

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@ 2005-12-17 14:43:00

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what the fuck does that even mean?
John Mayer calls Kanye West "A little woman"

About Kanye West, Mayer said, "I think Kanye West is a great artist with a bad idea. I respect his talent and working with him, he gives not a thought to the possibility of failure, but he really is just a little woman. He thinks too much about the character."

EDIT: uh... the source is from another community but i can't post the link here, mod says. can someone tell me why that is? it's not like i'm promoting...

clearly we still have a long way to go if the best way to insult someone is to call that person "a little woman... have any of you heard the term "woman" being used as an insult in real life recently? seems archaic and stupid to me.

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likeawoman
2005-12-17 10:52 pm UTC (link)

if I had a dollar for every way that john mayer annoyed and disgusted me, I could have him offed. for now, I give you this trash:

I know a girl
She puts the color inside of my world
but she's just like a maze
Where all of the walls all continually change

And I've done all I can
To stand on her steps with my heart in my hands
Now I'm starting to see
Maybe it’s got nothing to do with me

Fathers, be good to your daughters
Daughters will love like you do
Girls become lovers who turn into mothers
So mothers, be good to your daughters too

Ooh, you see that skin?
It's the same she's been standing in
Since the day she saw him walking away
Now she's left
cleaning up the mess he made

So fathers, be good to your daughters
Daughters will love like you do
Girls become lovers who turn into mothers
So mothers, be good to your daughters too

Boys, you can break
You find out how much they can take
Boys will be strong
And boys soldier on
But boys would be gone without warmth from
A woman's good, good heart

On behalf of every man
looking out for every girl
You are the god and the weight of her world

So fathers, be good to your daughters
Daughters will love like you do
Girls become lovers who turn into mothers
So mothers be good to your daughters, too

he's a frat boy with a guitar and the illusion of talent

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	meredith_mae 2005-12-17 11:52 pm UTC (link)
	Thanks, I was going to bring up the fact that John Mayer has displayed sexism in his music. That song really annoys me when I head it, especially since any guy with a guitar (including several friends of mine) seem to want to be John Mayer, and inevitably learn how to play that song. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	savestheworld 2005-12-18 07:21 pm UTC (link)
	oh i wouldn't give him that present (Reply to this) (Parent)

	frenchthebully 2005-12-17 10:56 pm UTC (link)
	Arnold Schwartzenegger was referring to the Democrats as "girlie men" throughout the entire 2004 presidential election in the US. I also seem recall VP candidate John Edwards being mockingly referred to as a "Breck Girl." And these are politicians who are supposed to be representing the people. How nauseating. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	kammerat_blomst 2005-12-17 11:26 pm UTC (link)
	Well, people who starr in movies about male pregnancy should probably mot be so quick to call people "girlie men". (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

	xmorningxrosex 2005-12-17 11:01 pm UTC (link)
	"Easy to learn lifetime to master, but you don't get that much pu--y with a cello," John Mayer said during a luncheon for Rolling Stone magazine Tuesday (December 16.) Ah, so you only went into music to have sex? With an attitude like that, I don't care what instrument you're playing, I hope all women lose interest in you. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	trinityva 2005-12-18 03:37 am UTC (link)
	WORD. Egh. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	littleleaf 2005-12-17 11:05 pm UTC (link)
	All the more reason to not like him. That Daughters song was ridiculous. And people say there's no reason for feminism to be around... it should not be an insult to call someone a girl or a woman. (Reply to this)

	jackiesadork 2005-12-17 11:10 pm UTC (link)
	I hate that man...not only because he says things like that, but because his music is horrible, too. There is always the "You're such a girl" insult. As well as "What a pussy" I hear those all the time (Reply to this)

	blackstone 2005-12-17 11:12 pm UTC (link)
	I already think his music is shite, I'm not surprised to hear he's an ass. He falls into the 'music for people who don't like music' category for me. (Reply to this)

	eard_stapa 2005-12-17 11:15 pm UTC (link)
	John Mayer sucks. His music all sounds the same. My cousin (who I live with) is obsessed and basically only ever listens to him. I've read a couple interviews with him, and a few interviews of people he's worked with who talked about him, and he came off as a total ass. Sadly, this statement isn't surprising. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	blackstone 2005-12-17 11:19 pm UTC (link)
	Oh, man, I thought my husband's Abba listening was bad, I don't think I could I could live with a John Mayer fan. (disclaimer: not a dis on Abba fans, just not my cuppa) (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

	killgirlswatch 2005-12-17 11:37 pm UTC (link)
	At the department store I work at we have these shirts by some sports brand that say "You throw like a girl!" I keep them hidden in the stockroom and plan to do so as long as I possibly can vomits This should prove to everyone just how strong patriarchy is, when we still consider it to be an insult for a man to be compared to a woman. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	indigo786 2005-12-17 11:41 pm UTC (link)
	hehe, nice work with the t-shirts. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	penguinonthelam 2005-12-18 12:08 am UTC (link)
	I just love how the majority of the responders didn't even understand or acknowledge the implications of such a statement against women. (Reply to this)

	witchbabybat 2005-12-18 12:41 am UTC (link)
	As much as I hate Kanye West, that comment pisses me off even more. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	oooh.... witchbabybat...? indigo786 2005-12-18 01:04 am UTC (link)
	francesca lia block? i love her. (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

	xoynotsmilexo 2005-12-18 01:28 am UTC (link)
	what exactly was he calling kanye a woman for? (Reply to this)

	ifstarscollide 2005-12-18 02:01 am UTC (link)
	i hate how he tries to always come off as the 'sensetive' guy, like "aww shucks, why can't i get a girlfriend? im a niiiiiiiicce guy!" yuck. and he makes elevator music. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	primroseburrows 2005-12-18 02:07 am UTC (link)
	Eh, give me Ewan McGregor anyday. He can sing, he's intelligent, and from everything I've observed, he's a feminist. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	kimtracy 2005-12-18 02:14 am UTC (link)
	John Mayer doesn't care about black people. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	im_waking_empty 2005-12-18 02:54 am UTC (link)
	HA! (Reply to this) (Parent)

	somatik 2005-12-18 02:30 am UTC (link)
	Eww John Mayer. Oh god. (Reply to this)

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	Mod Note. woolf 2005-12-18 03:04 am UTC (link)
	Links to other communities are not permitted. Please edit your post accordingly, or it will be deleted. Thank you! (Replies frozen)

	lucystag 2005-12-18 04:15 am UTC (link)
	Grumble. Honestly, I think most of "Room for Squares" is a great album. And "Why Georgia" is one of my favorite songs, I think it's beautiful. But "Daughters" is horrible, and that's an amazingly idiotic insult (even though I don't like Kanye West myself.) (Reply to this)

	savestheworld 2005-12-18 07:33 pm UTC (link)
	i can't remember the context of that immage (Reply to this) (Parent)

	Re: naughty language ahead trinityva 2005-12-18 06:40 pm UTC (link)
	I think that's in part misogyny... seeing women as "receptive" in penetrative anything and also as lesser in general, and wanting to place other men in a "woman's" position. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	pinkdramon 2005-12-18 07:46 pm UTC (link)
	Coincidentally, I was browsing my own livejournal friends pages today... and one of my friends' posts said he'd just cut his friends-contacts list. Okay, no big deal. It happens. One response to this post said, "I better still be on there, woman!" Said, to a guy. I'm sure it was meant to be jokey but with this feminist post here, it still made me go "Hmm..." (Reply to this)

	trytobreathe 2005-12-18 10:05 pm UTC (link)
	"You throw like a girl" is still um... thrown about quite casually. People should rephrase this to something like "you throw like a person who is weak and somewhat uncoordinated." If that is what they mean, (Reply to this)

	guerillagorilla 2005-12-19 03:29 am UTC (link)
	Honestly, I don't even understand what the hell he's saying. (Reply to this)

	sabonasi 2005-12-19 05:06 pm UTC (link)
	Ugh. I hate when the female is used as an insult. i.e. "He throws/hits/runs like a girl!" Ick. (Reply to this)

	tyresias 2005-12-20 02:24 am UTC (link)
	Look at the majority of homophobic insults and stereotypes about queer men: Fairy, queen, princess, hairdresser, nurse (stereotypically assumed to be a women's job), etc... It is (sadly) very common to put men down for doing stereotypically female things. It's just usually called homophobia and too many people fail to see the link between the two. (Reply to this)

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