Soul of the Innocent ([info]mizanchan) wrote in [info]fanficrants,
@ 2008-05-14 12:27:00
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Dear Trigun writers, how you disappoint me.
So I've recently been getting back into the Trigun fandom after taking a few years away. On a whim, I browsed the Trigun section of FF.net (my first mistake, I realize), when I saw a few fics that seemed promising. I clicked on them, read them, and immediately went "Wait, huh?"



So what bugged me? A few things:

First, I have no issues with the Vash/Meryl pairing from the anime in general. However, while I have no problem pairing anime Vash and Meryl up, I admit to being more than a bit unsure if he would ever sleep with her. Even if they both have been drinking. I may be being a bit too much of an anime stickler, but I recall the episode in which Vash faked passing out until the two prostitutes left his room, then "waking up" right after. And I do know from my readings up on Vash that he's rather self-conscious about his scars and his appearance (well, in the manga anyway. In the anime, it isn't quite so clear, though episode 13 touches on it.) Sure he's a lech, but I'm not sure sleeping with anyone -let alone Meryl- is really that in-character for him. Though I will grant that with good character development and a decent storyline, it could be doable.

Second, I'll admit upfront that I'm still learning about Plants and all their abilities. However, it doesn't really seem feasible to be able to transfer the lifeforce of a Plant into a non-plant and turn the recipient into a "Half-Plant". I think I've seen that it's possible for a Plant to heal (though my memory's a bit fuzzy. Stupid Finals studying.), but I doubt giving a Plant's life to a non-Plant would work. Though I could be wrong, and if I am, I'd be grateful to be educated. :)

Lastly, can you Trigun authors please give Millie a break? Ditzy as she may come across at times in the anime, she isn't stupid. She's pretty damn clever, even able to outsmart Vash at times. So why, for the love of whatever deity you worship, is she sometimes portrayed as being some dim bulb bimbo with a big gun? Oy...

Also on the topic of Millie, yes, in the anime she had a relationship with Wolfwood. Yes, I'm aware of the theory she's pregnant because of said relationship. However, I've read so many fics in which she names her kid after Wolfwood. (In one fic, she has twins and names them "Nick" and "Nicole".) Can we please have a bit more creativity with the kid naming? I'm not saying naming a kid for your dead lover is a bad thing, but it's getting a bit cliche.

(I tried to keep this as OT as possible. Everything ranted about struck me as being a bit odd as I read this fic.)



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[info]silver_chipmunk
2008-05-14 08:09 pm UTC (link)
I'm with you on everything except the first point, where I have to admit being somewhat puzzled, as the relationship seems pretty obvious to me. Of course she'd have to do a lot of reassuring him that his scars don't bother her, but once they get past that, I don't really see where any problem comes in.

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[info]mizanchan
2008-05-14 08:54 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, I think it could work if the writing and the relationship development is there. It just frustrates me when I see writers who just have them wind up in bed together without the relationship development aspect. Doubly so if it's due to alcohol, as I find that a rather overused device.

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[info]silver_chipmunk
2008-05-14 09:19 pm UTC (link)
Well I'll agree with you about alcohol. I don't even think, from what we've seen in the anime, that it's possible for Vash to get drunk no matter how much he drinks.

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[info]phoenixblaze
2008-05-14 09:31 pm UTC (link)
Uh, Vash actually gets drunk at a couple points. The one I can think of off the top of my head is episode 3 where at the end of the episode he is completely drunk off his ass and vomits at the end.

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[info]silver_chipmunk
2008-05-14 09:46 pm UTC (link)
OK, I'd forgotten that, so point taken.

But he's still got one HELL of a resistance ot it.

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[info]phoenixblaze
2008-05-14 09:16 pm UTC (link)
So in this comment, keep in mind I'm talking strictly about the anime. I'm not much of a manga person and while I keep meaning to get around to the Trigun manga, I haven't yet. I am however quite obsessed with the anime.

Yes, Vash is very self conscious about his scars. Between Meryl seeing them already in the anime and how stubborn she is, I think it's very doable. There still needs to be some development, but I don't think it needs a terrible amount.

And Meryl's not pregnant with Wolfwood's child, at least not in the anime. The episode that's in is the one where they're trying to help the dancing girl sneak out of the caravan. To do that, Meryl poses as a very pregnant woman with Wolfwood walking beside her as the father so that the girl can hide in Meryl's coat. A lot of people get this confused (including myself) because the very dramatic episode with Wolfwood (keeping this spoiler-free) there's a few flashbacks, and one of them is of that episode with Meryl 'pregnant'.

So I have no problem with people reading it as they will and writing that they had a relationship and she was pregnant when he died, it's just not canon. I don't know if that's what some are implying since I've generally steered clear of Trigun fanfiction, I just wanted to bring that up.

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[info]phoenixblaze
2008-05-14 09:17 pm UTC (link)
Um... Millie even in that post...

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[info]silver_chipmunk
2008-05-14 09:18 pm UTC (link)
It is canon in the anime that Meryl and Wolfwood sleep together (or at least, spend the night together, one assumes sex is what was happening), so I think that's that mizanchan was talking about.

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[info]silver_chipmunk
2008-05-14 09:19 pm UTC (link)
Arg. You got me doing it too. Millie sleeps with Wolfwood, not Meryl.

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[info]phoenixblaze
2008-05-14 09:28 pm UTC (link)
I forgot about the implication part there, but it still doesn't change my point. Implication does not equal canon. It's left for the reader/watcher to decide.

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[info]silver_chipmunk
2008-05-14 09:41 pm UTC (link)
Sorry, I have to disagree. I think it's canon that they sleep together. But it's not worth fighting about.

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[info]phoenixblaze
2008-05-14 09:48 pm UTC (link)
Agreed, I wasn't going to keep fighting about it anyway. :-)

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[info]amy_wolf
2008-05-14 11:34 pm UTC (link)
I agree. I'd call it strongly implied, but there's a reasonable possibility that Wolfwood and Millie wouldn't have sex. Millie has kind of an innocent streak, and what was shown was being upset and comforting, not explicitly sexual.

Like I said, I'd call sex happening both an obvious and reasonable interpretation of that scene, but as I can see how no sex would work without changing what was shown, I wouldn't call it canon.

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[info]underthered
2008-05-14 11:21 pm UTC (link)
I dunno. I could see Vash sleeping with Meryl if they became, say, romantically involved. I mean, there's a big difference between sleeping with a couple floozies and sleeping with someone who cares about you. Vash is self-conscious about his body, yes, but I don't think it's out of character for him to have sex with someone he actually _wants_ to be close to. Just, yeah, needs some talking through it.

On the other points... Hells yes. Especially Millie. I love Millie, she's serious business even in her cuteness and needs more love.

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[info]mizanchan
2008-05-14 11:31 pm UTC (link)
Good points. I think what I was trying to rant about (but was too burned to convey properly) was how I hate writers who either liquor the two characters up and throw them in bed together or they give the relationship such horrid development that you don't get why they're even together to begin with. With the right development and good writing, I do think a relationship between Vash and Meryl could be entertaining.

...Assuming he would even allow himself to have a relationship. I also see Vash as being someone who cares deeply for those close to him, but unwilling to let himself have a relationship. There's a number of reasons I think this could be plausible, including his own lifespan (I don't know exactly how long plants can live, but I would imagine it would be rather devastating for him to essentially remain the same age while he watches his S.O. age and die over the decades) and his desire to protect them from any more crazies who decide to come after him.

And I weep for how Millie's character is treated in fanfics. I wish she would get more love.

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[info]de_yaten
2008-05-15 03:52 am UTC (link)
I honestly... don't like 995 of the Trigun fics that have been posted on FFN for the past few months. I used to check it every day and be able to find something to read, but lately it's all Sues, crappy humor, or poorly written romance.

Ohh, Trigun. :/ Your fanfiction renaissance days are over.

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[info]de_yaten
2008-05-15 03:53 am UTC (link)
-_- I meant 99%, not 995. I don't keep that much track of what I don't like...

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[info]mihoyonagi
2008-05-15 07:34 am UTC (link)
Why does only a minuscule percentage of the fandom population understand that Millie is serious business?

... And on a random note, how badass is some of the music in Trigun? Ugh, I need to find my old anime CDs. DAMN YOU! Now I have to re-watch it!

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[info]elvenmoon
2008-05-15 07:47 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, Millie can be really sharp (even if she doesn't realize it :D) and certainly isn't as dumb as some writers make her out to be. She just has a tendency to be too trusting and naive, is all.

*CAUTION, MAYBE SPOILERS?*

I think it's definitely possible for Meryl and Vash to get together (I ship them, though, so I'm bias XD), but yeah, development is needed. Meryl obviously doesn't care about Vash's "battle scars" and develops strong feelings for him, possibly the real issue would be Vash's reluctance to love a human. Plants live a long time (how long, I don't know) and the poor guy wouldn't want to watch someone he loves die before his eyes while he looks about the same as he did when they first got into a relationship. As for having kids, though I like reading stories about their offspring, I don't even know how that would work or how their son/daughter could be a "half-plant." Surviving any children would be another issue, I'm sure.

Edited at 2008-05-15 07:49 pm UTC

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