emmabrock ([info]emmabrock) wrote in [info]fanficrants,
@ 2008-05-12 23:30:00
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I had to dictate this to my homeschooled friend, since I'm SO illiterate
A REVIEW: "I really enjoyed this fic! [blah blah]...I hope that you'll excuse this personal question, but I was wondering if you had been homeschooled."

When I said no and asked why he thought so, I got this response:

"Oh okay. I just asked because I have this theory that most high school kids have bad grammar, writing, etc."

Hm.

I'd never really thought about a homeschooler's perception of public high school kids before, but with this new idea in mind, I did some, ah, "research" (aka googling), and this is what I found:

1) "In ten years, all [public high school students] will be flipping burgers and dreaming about that sports scholarship that got away."

2) "Fewer institutions are more in need of a Christian presence than public high schools."

3) "I just know that no high school kid could keep up with me in terms of reading or writing."

4) "All they care about are parties and popular music. I liked classical music and books, so they didn't accept me."

5) "The decision of whether to homeschool your child is a matter of asking yourself, do you want to protect your child from drugs, alcohol, and promiscuity?"

and my personal favorite:

"Public high schoolers are barely literate."

Just judging from the comments that come on this post, this is clearly not the predominant view among homeschooled students. But WOW.

Even though these quotes related to interaction outside of fandom, the ideas behind them are along the same lines as that reviewer. It seems to raise the (new?) possibility that some people are drawing lines between homeschool- and public high school-educated contributors to fandom.

Edited for clarity (3). -- It's a little silly, but I'm continuing to edit this post as people continue to mistake it as an attack on homeschooling in general. Offending people wasn't my intention (at least, not unless the offended person share the prejudices that I was citing) and I'm going to make sure that this post expresses what I believe.



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[info]rebelintosanity
2008-05-13 03:36 am UTC (link)
Does this really belong here? I'm just curious.

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[info]emmabrock
2008-05-13 03:49 am UTC (link)
I thought so. While those quotes related to interaction outside of fandom, the ideas behind them were along the same lines as something from a review of fanfiction. I'm now considering the possibility that there are lines drawn in fandom between homeschool- and public high school-educated contributors. My post references prejudices against one of those groups.

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[info]talim
2008-05-13 03:38 am UTC (link)
Oh, God. D: These are the times when I hate being homeschooled, just for the association with people like this. Fortunately, my homeschooling program requires that you go to some in-school classes, so I've, you know... actually been able to meet some of my other classmates and see what they're like. Amazingly, many of them are still into partying and popular music! In fact, only going to a real class once or twice a week, they actually have more time to party!

Nice kids, though, and smart. :( Though not all of the students I've interacted with are too bright, despite being ~omg homeschooled~. Just because you can go to classes at home doesn't mean you can pass them.

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[info]vandonovan
2008-05-13 03:38 am UTC (link)
Ironically, all the homeschooled kids I ever knew were so socially retarded they could barely function in normal society, and had no friends. Not because they liked classical music and not sex and Satan worshiping like the rest of us, but because they WERE JUST SOCIALLY RETARDED. And would talk too loud and make ridiculous jokes and had no idea how to interact with people. They also couldn't seem to hold jobs. I'd say they were exceptionally dumb, too, but maybe that was just perception.


Mind you, I don't know a LOT, but the ones I did were universally like that.

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[info]theladyfeylene
2008-05-13 04:03 am UTC (link)
I think that's why a lot of homeschooling programs advocate/require kids to still do group work and group projects and have home classes with groups of local kids. To avoid potential social awkwardness.

I knew one homeschooled kid who was the same - socially stunted - because their mother never allowed them into social situations until they were about 17. Didn't even let the kid watch TV, except to watch the news, until she was 18.

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[info]tricolora
2008-05-13 03:42 am UTC (link)
...Damn. Just. Damn.

I...

*restraint.... AMAZING self restraint... restraint*

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[info]xiphugus
2008-05-13 03:45 am UTC (link)
I think this is one of those things that is meant to be a compliment but isn't phrased quite right. I wouldn't take it personally if I were you.

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[info]dinogrrl
2008-05-13 03:46 am UTC (link)
Er...what, exactly, is the point of this rant? I'm getting "homeschoolers are narrow-minded jerks who live in their own worlds", and as a former homeschoolee who went into homeschooling precisely because the local public schools weren't nearly advanced enough for me and the private schools too expensive for my family to afford, and came out of it as anything but a "narrow-minded jerk who lives in her own world", I don't really appreciate that. Not to mention that it doesn't belong in this community.

I think (or at least hope) you were going for "the reviewer is a narrow-minded jerk" but that is NOT what's coming across. :/

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[info]emmabrock
2008-05-13 03:59 am UTC (link)
I thought it belonged in this community because, while some of those quotes related to interaction outside of fandom, the ideas behind them were along the same lines as a reviewer of a piece of fandom. To me, it raised the possibility that some people are drawing lines between homeschool- and public high school-educated contributors in fandom.

I'm sorry if my post seemed like the offensive claim that all "homeschoolers are narrow-minded jerks who live in their own worlds." I mentioned that these views were new to me, showing that this was not a widespread and dominating view among homeschoolers. I meant just to show that this view is out there, not that it is The View among homeschoolers.

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[info]singwithin
2008-05-13 03:52 am UTC (link)
Most homeschoolers are, in fact, better educated than the average (average, not honors-caliber, etc) high school student. Not to say that they are perfect, but when you're working with a teacher one on one, you don't get away with, say, bad grammar as much as you do in a class of twenty other kids. As for reading, the majority of public school kids I know will use sparknotes rather than read a book for English. Homeschoolers, on the other hand, may not enjoy reading, but at least read the book -- that's been my experience, for the most part.

This isn't a rant so much as a general slur, IMO. So you got a stupid review, that doesn't mean you need to find the weirdest quotes from the most weirdest homeschoolers you can find to prove that they are, in fact.. whatever it was you were trying to prove. I mean, the purpose of a rant community is, understandably, to offend -someone-, even if they never read what you write, but this has very little to do with ffrants and more to do with you being indignant about this.

I don't think this kind of rant belongs here.

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[info]serenity_winner
2008-05-13 03:53 am UTC (link)
>:(

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[info]merlewhitefire
2008-05-13 03:55 am UTC (link)
Have you seen the average High School graduate in this country? Seriously.

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[info]twistedsheets10
2008-05-13 04:05 am UTC (link)
Eh? I think this is in the wrong community. :(

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[info]twistedsheets10
2008-05-13 05:48 am UTC (link)
OK, my two cents on this:

Even though these quotes related to interaction outside of fandom, the ideas behind them are along the same lines as that reviewer. It seems to raise the (new?) possibility that some people are drawing lines between homeschool- and public high school-educated contributors to fandom.

I think what bothers some people is that you came up with this idea with only a single sample/proof (and from googgling research, which is not an entirely accurate source of information). That isn't enough, at least for me, to think that there is some sort of 'drawing of lines between' those were homeschooled and those who studied in public schools. Were these statements (which you posted) originally made in relation to fandom or fanfics?

(and just curious, has anyone else encountered this sort of 'prejudice' in their respective fandoms, the homeschooled/public school thing? because this is the first time I came across this.)

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[info]minni
2008-05-13 04:08 am UTC (link)
Agreeing the others - the wording of your rant once you reached the point of highlighting your handpicked "research" veered sharply away from fanfiction into a realm that could very well implode with wank. If you kept it just to the point of how the age/level of schooling/maturity of the writer is not always reflected accurately in their writing and that you found this to be very judgmental, then it probably wouldn't get so bad.

That being said - the social ineptness of homeschoolers is equal to the incompetence of public schoolers. Take that as you will; I know there are many competent public schoolers out there.

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[info]emmabrock
2008-05-13 04:19 am UTC (link)
Even though it seems like a little bit of a community faux pas, I think I'll continue to make edits on this post as people cite issues with it - I definitely didn't mean to cook up some wank on a Monday night! =) Thanks for the help.

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[info]agilebrit
2008-05-13 04:21 am UTC (link)
I was going to sit on my hands, but...eh, screw it.

Full disclosure: I am a homeschooling mom. My child is seven.

And I think that all you have to do is look at the "quality" of fic at FFN to see the sort of "education" that public schools are churning out. Semi-literate snowflakes who bristle at the merest hint of criticism? Pretty much.

Is that a generalization? Hell yes. But so are your handpicked quotes.

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[info]cmar_wingnut
2008-05-13 11:14 am UTC (link)
What makes you think ALL the 'semi-literate snowflakes' at ffn are public schooled, or that the literate non-snowflakes aren't?

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[info]elliemurray
2008-05-13 04:35 am UTC (link)
I really like the comments here. Seems that going to a public high school makes you an epic success, and you are socially apt and perfect.

Being home schooled (yes, it's two words, like public schooled) makes you "socially retarded" and unable to hold down a job?

BULL SHIT. I was home educated from second grade on. Why? Because the school I attended failed to teach me to read. By about fifth grade, I was reading on a high school level. I read college texts in high school. Go ahead, dictate to me, I'm too stupid to understand. *eye roll*

I've held down a paying job since I was sixteen, and I had worked in exchange for riding lessons in a barn prior to that. I was made a team leader at the company I work for at the age of 19, the youngest appointed to that post, and I am up for assistant manager consideration. But I'm "socially retarded" because I was "homeschooled"? What the hell are you talking about?

Around here, guess what? Public high schoolers are barely literate. They don't read. They sparknote everything. They skate through their courses with barely any effort put forth. They're failing mathematics, and they don't care. They don't know how to read "magenta" or "cerulean", let alone spell it. They don't speak recognizable English, they need an expletive every three words to express themselves. Owen J. Roberts High School is a shining example of this point.

But they're clearly better than us poor, retarded, socially inept home schooled children, we can't hold jobs or interact with our peer group because we never leave the house.

Thanks for letting me know that. I'll call up my boss and tell him I'm too dumb to hold down a job, right away.

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[info]talim
2008-05-13 04:42 am UTC (link)
Wow, someone took that personally!

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Oh yay!!! A kindred spirit!!! - [info]white_tean, 2008-05-14 02:54 am UTC
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[info]tentationem
2008-05-13 04:38 am UTC (link)
I love how many people are bitching about this.

The way I see it, the OP is bewildered that she'd get a review like that and concerned by the fact that so many people see public school students as barely literate, airheaded idiots - but is mostly bewildered that she'd get this sort of comment in a review. Just because it was awkwardly handled is no reason for people to...fly off the handle. It's not as though she's attempting to be like NO U or anything about it...she's submitting, guys. Chillax. XD

EDIT: By the fact that so many people see public school students as barely literate, airheaded idiots, and by the hate and wank surrounding education in general****

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[info]emmabrock
2008-05-13 04:55 am UTC (link)
Thank you, that was exactly what I was feeling. It just seemed like such an arbitrary measure for good writing - I could understand a compliment in "I was wondering if you were an English major" or "I was wondering if you were a professional writer" or something like that, but the specifics of high school education seem so silly.

And I am sorry that I handled my response so poorly. =) I need to think and then press post... But thank you.

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[info]xiphugus
2008-05-13 04:54 am UTC (link)
I find it interesting that people get worked up over something like this. I myself went to public school, and it doesn't bother me at all to admit many of the kids there were pretty screwed. Then again, it doesn't mean I'm personally going to homeschool my own kids - because I just don't think it matters that much.

Just saying.

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[info]therosiergirl
2008-05-13 05:07 am UTC (link)
"Oh okay. I just asked because I have this theory that most high school kids have bad grammar, writing, etc."

Someone commented a newspaper website the other day that all publically educated students were unfit to be in the government, or something like that. Actually, their exact wording was 'Do you want Vicky Pollard in office?' It really sucks that some people are blinded and limited enough to think that they're better or more intelligent than others just because they have a different type of education, but then again, some people (NOT all homeschool kids, before someone jumps down my throat) are bigots.

And it's weird that everyone assumes all homeschool kids get the same type/quality of homeschooling. LOL, it's not a homogenised process, how good an education the homeschool kid's going to get depends on their parent/tutor.

But yeah, maybe this has too slight a connection to fanfic and that could be why so many people are getting their panties in a twist.

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[info]jennjenn724
2008-05-13 05:15 am UTC (link)
You know, I was going to tell you that you were overgeneralizing based on the comment of one reviewer and that this is not the place for this type of rant (it isn't), but the types of comments I have seen from a community that I usually find intelligent, reasonable and open-minded has shown me that you are right. Most homeschoolers apparantly do think that people who go to public schools are barely literate morons.

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[info]xiphugus
2008-05-13 05:30 am UTC (link)
To be fair, it's only because the public school kids do appear to think that all homeschooled kids are arrogant social retards.

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[info]chibikaijuu
2008-05-13 05:16 am UTC (link)
What I want to know is, why have I never met a home-schooled kid who was focused on the sciences? My high school had a fantastic Communications program and Math & (computer) Science program. It turned out some pretty brilliant students all around. All the home-schooled kids I've met, no matter how bright or well-educated, have only had very basic scientific education (this *may* be a reflection of where I've met most of them, however).

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[info]xiphugus
2008-05-13 05:27 am UTC (link)
No equipment? It's also possible that the parents (who I assume are the ones teaching them - I really don't know how homeschooling works) have minimal knowledge on science. I mean, how many grown-ups with a day job do you know walk around with physics formulas in their briefcase?

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[info]stupid_laura
2008-05-13 05:27 am UTC (link)
Jesus Christ. This post (and the ensuing comments) contain far too high a ratio of sweeping generalization to intelligent discourse. Like others, I'm not sure that this necessarily belongs here, but is is possible for us to discuss it without resorting to angry words? That'd be just peachy.

(Personal tl;dr: I have been educated in public school my entire life. One of my best friends was homeschooled until ninth grade. We are highly similar in almost every regard, down to our literacy and social skills. I'm slightly biased because my mother's an elementary school teacher, but I think both public schooling and homeschooling have unique benefits. */middle of the road* */tl;dr*)

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[info]neutralalienist
2008-05-13 05:31 am UTC (link)
As true as the comment may be, in general - because, in my experience, most high school students' grasp of the language is pretty damn shaky - but... It's a pretty loaded comment to put in a review.

As for the quotes, damn, that is some pretentious bullshit. Thanks for painting every person who's gone to public school with the same brush, there, that's so very enlightened of you. Not at all like us ignorant peons.

I rather wish I had been homeschooled, honestly, but not all parents have the time and funds for it.

(For what it's worth, I didn't see your post as offensive - I never got the impression you thought all homeschooled people thought this way, and I don't understand where other people are getting it.)

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[info]ayumidah
2008-05-13 05:36 am UTC (link)
it's a wee bit weird because, well, illiteracy (and people who are literate) obviously can come from either circles, be it home schooling or public schooling, and I've had a few knee jerk reactions where I was like, "Yeah, this person has to be from a really horrid school" just to find out they're home schooled, and I had been home schooled all of my life, so it always felt like someone punched me in the gut with brass knucks when they said that heh. I guess us homeschooled people can be a bit cocky, but I've had that forced out of me fairly recently due to my findings heh.

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[info]kutsuwamushi
2008-05-13 05:42 am UTC (link)
Edited for clarity (3)

Editing your post to change the meaning is not allowed. Yes, this includes "editing for clarity," which is usually just wanker-speak for "changing things people disagree with." You're free to add text to your post to clarify, but changing the original text is a bannable offense.

You have been temp-banned, with the possibility of it turning into a permanent ban. If you want to continue posting here, contact us after next Tuesday.

To anyone else: If you remember what has been changed, please reply and let me know. I saw this when it first went up but wasn't really paying attention.

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[info]cygna_hime
2008-05-13 05:44 am UTC (link)
Down to and including the bold has *not* been changed that I can tell, FWIW.

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[info]mizanchan
2008-05-13 05:47 am UTC (link)
Count me as another one going against the grain here...

Did everyone totally gloss over the first part of the OP's rant in their haste to get to the "OMG! Homeschool Stereotypes!!!!!111oneone" part? Because, from what I read, I got the following:

1) OP receives a review praising her writing and asking if she is homeschooled.
2) OP contacts reviewer, says she isn't, and inquires as to why the reviewer asked.
3) Reviewer states s/he thought public school students were all semi-literate idiots, could barely read or write, et al.

In this regard, I think this has something to do with fanfic, although the Google-fu really doesn't (and was rather unnecessary). I for one despise backhanded compliments like the one the OP received; they are cowardly, nasty ways to try and get one's point across, methinks. Especially in this regard, where there was no real concrit to be given in the "review".

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[info]elliemurray
2008-05-13 05:52 am UTC (link)
I agree with you, and my reply was not so much to the original poster as to the people who posted thereafter. Google can bring up anything you want it to, and it's best not quoted except where clearly stated it's for laughs.

The reviewer was sneaky and rude.

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[info]blackjackrocket
2008-05-13 06:28 am UTC (link)
I was homeschooled and in public schools, and I can tell you, both are pretty much a trip.

When we went to look for homeschooling textbooks at a fair for same, I'd say a good 90% of everything was religiously based. Apparently the publishers don't seem to think that anyone would home school a kid for non-religious reasons (mine was because the teachers I'd had were total crap and the district superintendant hated me). So with that in mind, is it any wonder home schooled kids get the image of being narrow-minded and ignorant?

And standard schooling (which doesn't have to be public either, I might add) has the problem of being focused on some imaginary archetype of a student that they think covers all but in fact covers very few.


Although I might add, about the parents of home schoolers, they don't have to be the ones to teach. My parents hired tutors in most subjects (although trying to learn chemistry without having the equipment is a bear).

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[info]dinogrrl
2008-05-13 06:48 am UTC (link)
UGH. Total word on the massively religious-based homeschooling texts. D: I mean, my family's fairly religious, and even WE got sick of it! We started raiding the local college bookstore for used texts instead of getting all our stuff through homeschooling venues.

Chemistry without chemistry equipment is indeed an adventure.

/random pointlessness

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[info]saiyako
2008-05-13 06:33 am UTC (link)
Um... after reading the post 3 times, I have no idea why the homeschoolers here are so pissed off - the OP didn't say anything insulting about homeschooling, only that she'd suddenly discovered, and didn't like, this contempt for - what would I say... normal-school-type-people...? ("Public school" doesn't work for me, the term doesn't exist in Australia, and it seems to imply government-run schools only, when private schools should fall under the same category in this context...)

And the way the people she's been quoting from and some of the commenters on this thread have been talking about non-homeschooled people is utterly horrifying, not to mention idiotic. I've been in normal school environments my whole life, except for the second half of grade 10, when I transferred to Distance Education for the rest of the year to finally get away from the bullying, and you know what? I can read and write and spell, and use language properly, and use it deliberately improperly, and do maths, and I do it all well. I've also seen people who are homeschooled and can't spell, use proper grammar or read well without help.

I'm not attacking homeschoolers, either - I just don't believe that whether someone was educated in a school or at home necessarily makes a difference to that person's intelligence, education level, job prospects or anything else, and it's stupid to claim it does. (Now if we were talking about religious fundamentalist home-schooling, that would be another issue altogether. *twitch*)

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[info]agilebrit
2008-05-13 07:17 am UTC (link)
Public schools, in America, are strictly government-run. We also have private schools that are run by churches or other organizations such as Challenger and Montessori.

I don't think (most) people are pissed at the OP; it's more the tenor of some of the comments about home-schooled kids being socially retarded that's got our backs up--with a little bit of "whoa, you kinda hand-picked your quotes there" mixed in. We hear it so often, and it gets old having to debunk it every single time we happen to mention that we're homeschooling.

Out of curiosity, asking as a fundie homeschooler, would you like it any better if I sent my kid to a private fundie religious school? Or would that make you twitch too?

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