Maiyri (maiyri) wrote in [info]fanficrants,
@ 2008-04-29 10:29:00
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So, you really want to know why...
 
When so many people ask for a decent concrit review and don't get one, or get one that's stapled with 'Sorry, I'm not trying to be rude or anything' or something of the like, this is why.

 

Dear Fanbrat.

(You know, I didn't really want to do thisbefore now because the girl in question is only twelve, but she's commited more than one hangable offense.)

Your title is still spelled wrong, and you rather obviously have not run your chapters through spellcheck. So FFN ate your first chapter. That sucks, yes, but wouldn't it be nice to any new idiots people who actually want to read your story to repost the first chapter?

You had a good idea, but you totally fail at the execution. Your spelling is abominable, your chapters are WAY too short - there's something wrong about a so called chapter fic that's got 43 chapters (three of which are authors notes saying 'no more chapters until I get reviews

And you have little 114 reviews for this. Quite a few have said 'longer chapters, and spellcheck please' but you've ignored them.

So someone left you a decent length concrit. MROS left you this:

>>First of all, your title is spelled incorrectly. You know the word "terrable?" Yeah. that's an I, not an A. Find a dictionary somewhere. You know, there's one on the site, right? USE it.

Okay, I have a list of criticisms here that I would like you to consider, change, and not whine about. Thank you.

First of all, "tolled." This is spelled told. "Tolled" is something that happens when you cross a large bridge and they force you to pay money. Okay?

The words "wile" and "were" have h's in them. Wile without the h is not the same word as "while." Ever heard the phrase "feminine wiles?" I really don't think that's the point you're trying to bring across. WHILE. WHERE. Kay?

You keep writing "sweaty" instead of "Sweetie." When Max/Fang saya "sure, sweaty," it implies that said person is covered in sweat. In case you do not know, that does not mean a person is SWEET. It means a person has been exercising or something, and is covered with bad smelling fluid. Yes. Not cutesy.

For-head. Okay, this part of your body is called your FOREHEAD. For-head, I don't even KNOW where you got that from.

Don't yell at people to give you reviews, when they have every right not to give you reviews. Ever heard the phrase "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say it?" That's what these nice people are trying to do. I don't have anything nice to say, so I'm not nice.

Where you say "things to ketch up on." You know, I don't know where you learned to spell, but in my world "ketchup" the nice, disgusting condiment, is spelled differently than "catch up."

You don't unroll people in school. You enroll people in school. I don't know how you would "unroll" people, unless school was somehow rolled around them and you have to unwrap them.

Speaking of school, Max does not enjoy going to school. Max, as you noticed, is adamantly AGAINST the idea of going to school. I would know. I have a story where Max goes to school. She's actually like, in character. You should read it.

Okay, the funniest chapter for me was chapter 19. Fang does not randomly go looking for fights, for one. Also, Max is complaining about Fang not being at school, then walks in the classroom and says "I sat in the middle of the front row, with Fang on my right and Iggy on my left." Are you trying to be descriptive? You just said Fang wasn't there. If you are referring to the seat in which Fang was sitting, say, "The seat where Fang usually sat," or something to that effect.

also, posy would be referring to a nice flower. A "posse," however, is a group of people, normally with a leader. In addition, in this chapter you said that Iggy was really popular. However, earlier when Iggy was talking to Shasta, he "tolled" readers that Shasta was the only one who did not exclude him because he was blind. Wow. That sure changed fast.

Speaking of Shasta, is she a pedophile (that means attracted to small children - disturbing) or are there just two girls named Shasta with brown hair with blonde highlights? That must be why Iggy broke up with her, huh? Because she kept touching Gazzy's mohawk. I'm wondering - do you have brown hair with blonde highlights, and do you wish your name was Shasta? Hey, maybe Shasta has a younger sister in Gazzy's grade named Shasta! I bet it's always been Iggy's and Gazzy's dreams to date siblings.

Also, when you take a blind guy on a first date, I cannot imagine that you would go to a movie. This seems illogical to me, but hey, call me crazy. Maybe Shasta - the pedophile - is just stupid or something.

While we're talking about the movie, I would like to say that Iggy would not call something gay. While this word may be an insult in your limited vocabulary, I would like to say that Iggy is not a homophobic. I think it's stupid to call something gay, and I'm just pretty sure Iggy wouldn't do it - they're mutant freaks, I'm pretty sure they were brought up as pretty accepting of other people.

Afterwards. This word is not the phrase "after words" Although this must make sense to you - like, after you speak, right? - Afterwards just describes something that happens later. Say, we went to the movies, and afterwards ate ice cream! We did not "after words, eat ice cream." this would imply that said people sat around and talked before they ate ice cream. Not the case.

Again, in reply to your author's note - PEOPLE WILL REVIEW YOUR STORY WHEN IT IS NOT AS BAD AS IT IS AND WHEN YOU ARE ABLE TO FIND A HOMONYM DICTIONARY AND CORRECTLY USE IT. You're calling people's reviews pathetic? Okay, well, all I have to say is, at least they match the story.

Beet is a red vegetable somewhat like a turnip. You cannot "beet" somebody up, or "beet" a person in a competition. That word is spelled with an a. you CAN "beat" them.

Also, when running out of creativity, please do not overuse phrases you read in the books. For example: "I don't give a rat's **." This sounded completely not like how you were writing the rest of the chapters because it was something you read and did not come up with yourself. Just because she says it once does not mean she is going to use things like this again and again.

It is okay to put G's on the end of words. tickin'(G!) Makin'(G!) thinkin'(Wait for it - G!) They do not always do this. Maybe once or twice is okay, but this gets annoying after a while when it would not normally be used in a sentence.

Fang does not go LOOKING for fights. While I think you are trying to get Fang out of the story - speaking of which, Fang is not the kind of guy to dump Max and not tell her why - I think you could come up with a more creative way to do it.

Questions marks go on the end of all questions. They are called question marks for a reason. They mark questions.

Iggy is BLIND. Blind is the word describing people with no vision. No matter if someone is a "healer" or not, you cannot cure sightlessness. Giving Iggy sight is something that is extremely cliched and stupid, especially if you fail to mention it in following chapters.

Are YOU a homophobe? You know I mentioned earlier about using gay as an insult. I see people do it all the time, but that doesn't mean you should do it on fanfiction, especially when doing so puts everyone way out of character, jeez. (In case you don't know, a homophobe is someone who is scared of gay people)

They're/their/there. LEARN them.

Lastly, but most certainly not least, is the recommendation that you actually READ your chapters after you write them. this would prevent most of the errors in your story and help it not sound quite as horrible - maybe some smart people will actually read it! I didn't mention most of the errors you made, actually, just the memorable ones.

Life is a "terrable" thing to waste, as is the time I spent reading your story. Although this was really mean, deal with it, because I'm hoping that you can take it instead of acting stupid and will change the things I'm mentioning and keep the changes in mind for future writing.

--MRO

(If you need a beta, tell me, because I'll like, totally do it!)

This, while a littlebit harsh, was no more than your story deserved. And I'm not kidding - check it out http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4145278/1/A_Life_Is_A_Terrable_Thing_To_Waste

You then devoted a chapter to bitching at her because of this -

Hi it's me Emily. I refuse to write another story. I was deeply hurt. And I think I won't write another chapter for awhile.

And it is all MRO's fault. She is mean and …I'm not going to get nasty right now. I'm sorry to my readers and sorry to everyone else. And to the people who pick apart every little detail of my writing, as I said before I wish for you to stop reading it.

It's your third such AN chapter, and quite frankly, you should have stopped there, hon.

Unfortunately, she didn't.

So, I left a review.

Tell us, little girl - do you yell at your english teacher? Do you tell you parents to screw themselves? Do you swear at your friends and refuse to share something because they didn't share something of theirs?

Because you yelled at MROS for suggesting the same things that your English teacher would if she saw this.

Because you told her to screw herself for trying to improve you like your parents would.

Because you hold your chapters hostage to your online friends because they wouldn't share their opinions.

We hope you know how disappointed they'd be. And you should have stopped writing when you said you would. Because no one will take your threats seriously now.

You haven't improved your story at all to anyone's suggestions. You're abusing the characterisation, you're spelling simple works long and have obviously failed to put this through a spellcheck.

What's the saddest thing is your mentality. Do you abuse everyone that offers you help? MROS even offered to BETA for you. That means in the least that she thinks your fic has potential.

Maybe your friends are so scared to tell you what they really think because they think they'll be abused too. That's not friendship. Grow up, little girl.

You're a sad piece of work.

We're ashamed that someone would abuse MROS like you have done. She's right. You are not, and what you have done is so much worse than what she has done.

She was nice and offered something constructive.

You abused her for her offer of help.


Your story is not so perfect that it cannot stand improvement. Take the criticism like a proper human being, and simply say thank you. MROS put time into reviewing this story. Why don't you put some time into improving it?

And while I'll admit it's harsh, she deserved it.

And recieved the reply - 

Who the hell do you think you are, **?!
First off, don't you dare call me a little girl! I am 12, and by my standards
I'm NOT a little girl! You probably can't even understand how ** off you made
me! My parents wouldn't tell me my story is **! Go ** yourself! I read one of
your stories; I would rather rip my arm off then read that ** again! I have so
put my chapters through spell check, and if you don't like it, go ** yourself
and go write your ** poetry!
Oh my god! You are such a **! I'm a sad piece of work?! You really need to
stop talking about yourself! and, I did because I hated her. And yes that is a
real reason for doing so. I only wrote that story for fun. I thought no one
would take it seriously! Well guess what, I'm not a proper human being! If you
got a problem with that, go take it somewhere else 'cause I don't give a damn
what you think of me.
I hate you truly and forever,
 Emily Dye 


Where do I find these people??



Mai



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[info]boomchish
2008-04-28 10:50 pm UTC (link)
I am 12, and by my standards I'm NOT a little girl!

By COPPA's standards, yes she is. You know, the whole need to be 13 in order to register an account on most websites...

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(no subject) - [info]via_diagnosis, 2008-04-28 11:06 pm UTC

[info]vivian_shaw
2008-04-28 10:55 pm UTC (link)
There should be an enforceable age limit on the internet. I know I wrote utter tripe when I was twelve, but at least I didn't have the opportunity to inflict it on the rest of the world.

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[info]hollaback_rich
2008-04-28 10:59 pm UTC (link)
Wait...this chick told YOU you were a horrible writer? Jesus, how much of a newbie to the fandom would you have to be to think that? I mean, you are definitely one of the best writers in the fandom, that's pretty much universally accepted.

Your review was a little bit harsh...but then again, I used to be like that girl...well, not really. I had some godawful Sues, but my grammar and spelling were all good, and I probably would have reacted the same as she did. Actually, probably not as crazily as she did, either.

Anyway, I agree with you that she was over-the-top angry, and I doubt she even read your fics, if she could say that about them. You were the first author I ever read the MR fandom, and you're still one of my favorites :)

By the way, loved the new chapter of Misunderstood, but my thing won't let me review it, for some reason. So yeah, loved the chapter, and agree with you (mostly) on the rant.
O.G.

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[info]cosplayallday
2008-04-28 11:01 pm UTC (link)
"Also, when you take a blind guy on a first date, I cannot imagine that you would go to a movie." XD!!!

This girl is a real A-hole. It makes me wonder if I was ever like this when I was young.

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[info]turkish_delight
2008-04-28 11:02 pm UTC (link)
Well guess what, I'm not a proper human being!

....couldn't have said it better myself. O_o

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[info]kahoko007
2008-04-28 11:06 pm UTC (link)
Every child thinks they're grown up until they actually become mature enough to discover that they don't know everything...which generally doesn't happen at 12...which isn't to say that I haven't met some very mature 12-year-olds.

I don't understand fanfic writers who say that they didn't think anyone would take it seriously. Especially if they're review-whores and the like. Obviously, they expect someone (often quite a few people) to take it very seriously, otherwise they wouldn't be insisting upon review quotas.

Unfortunately, this kind of behavior is the exact reason that I don't like to leave many reviews anymore...

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[info]cosplayallday
2008-04-28 11:14 pm UTC (link)
OMG! You have to read the reviews for the story. There even worst than the fic.

You guys that are critisizing this story need to understand that 1.You need to get a life!
2. Look, I, Am, Not, Using, Proper, Grammar. WHAT IS THE PROBLEM WITH THAT?
3.Everybody hates grammar snobs, probably even ur (OOH LOOK! Another grammatically incorrect word or what ever.) english teacher.
4. You need to find better things to do than sit here and critisize every single missuseage of periods and spelling error!
Rock on Emily,
yourcool79


WE!

GOOD JOB!

DON'T LET THAT BEEYOTCH GET YOU DOWN!

That was really good, the way you handled that, I mean.

Keep writin'. (LoL. I crack myself up.)

~KdMac

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(no subject) - [info]dj_mewmew, 2008-04-29 12:12 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]cosplayallday, 2008-04-29 12:15 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]dj_mewmew, 2008-04-29 12:17 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]mickeylover303, 2008-04-29 12:43 am UTC

[info]aramis_chan
2008-04-28 11:22 pm UTC (link)
Okay, it looks like that story ready needed criticism badly, but that review is full of unnecessary sarcasm, and ends with the reviewer telling the author how the time they spent reading her story was wasted. I really don't see what's so strange about the author being annoyed about it rather than -grateful-, nor why the reviewer would think that's a good way to make sure the author is going to listen any of the criticism.

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[info]west_side
2008-04-28 11:39 pm UTC (link)
And that's the reason I don't deal with minors.

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[info]gausshawk
2008-04-28 11:44 pm UTC (link)
>>Who the hell do you think you are, **?!

That was a perfect missed opportunity for a Kamina rimshot. "I don't know; who the hell do you think I am?"

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(no subject) - [info]baby_werewolf, 2008-05-01 06:40 pm UTC

[info]nenya85
2008-04-28 11:47 pm UTC (link)
Where do I find these people??

Well, actually, it sounds like you went looking for her. I don’t know you, or MRO, or the fandom, but to an outsider, it really looks like a couple of people being pretty mean to a 12 year old. Since she’s under 13, I would have no objection to reporting her – if nothing else it’s clear that children shouldn’t really have to face the kind of criticism one would give an adult writer. Also, I gather that MRO is a BNF, but telling someone in a review to read their own stories to learn writing and characterization comes across as being slightly immodest. I guess for me though, the fact that this comes too close to watching a couple of adults pick on a child outweighs other considerations.

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(no subject) - [info]iczer6, 2008-04-28 11:52 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]saqqara13, 2008-04-28 11:59 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]cosplayallday, 2008-04-29 12:01 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]dj_mewmew, 2008-04-29 12:13 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]lookninjas, 2008-04-29 02:17 pm UTC
Blessed be the noobs, for they will inherit the world - [info]12_drakon, 2008-05-01 11:15 am UTC
Re: Blessed be the noobs, for they will inherit the world - [info]fallofrain, 2008-05-01 10:14 pm UTC
Da-da-da-DUM! - [info]12_drakon, 2008-05-01 11:27 pm UTC
Re: Blessed be the noobs, for they will inherit the world - [info]saadiira, 2008-05-11 05:05 am UTC

[info]sasori_katana
2008-04-28 11:51 pm UTC (link)
First off, don't you dare call me a little girl! I am 12, and by my standards I'm NOT a little girl!

Awwwwww!

Seriously, that is adorable. It's a cross between cute and pathetic, like watching a puppy run into a tree.

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[info]amy_wolf
2008-04-28 11:59 pm UTC (link)
So she was being hostile and immature because she's twelve. What's your excuse?

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(no subject) - [info]master_kogane, 2008-04-29 12:18 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sasori_katana, 2008-04-29 12:36 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]mhari, 2008-04-29 01:45 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]lordhellebore, 2008-04-29 08:05 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ecchipiro, 2008-04-29 09:50 am UTC

[info]likeahobbit
2008-04-29 12:00 am UTC (link)
Story in question looks to be particularly bad but the reviews you posted above come across as extremely condescending ('read my story if you want to know how to characterize?' Seriously?)

You guys ganged up on a twelve year old. I hope you can see the problem with that.

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(no subject) - [info]clarify, 2008-04-29 12:06 am UTC

[info]zinnia_ziegler
2008-04-29 12:18 am UTC (link)
How impressive. Ganging up on some little girl.

And I'm a member of [info]cf_hardcore. It's a sad day when one of us thinks someone's being unnecessarily assholish to a kid.

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[info]mmejavert
2008-04-29 12:20 am UTC (link)
If people spent as much time and energy on their fanfics as they did on ripping twelve year old fanbrats a new one, there'd probably be a lot more decent fic out there.

Seriously. Why do people waste this kind of time and energy leaving long, nasty, and condescending reviews like these? It's usually not worth the effort. If the story sucks that much, I hit the back button, and thumb my nose at the idiot authors who demand more reviews to write the story. Goddamn, if you need your ego stroked to finish your story, then your story isn't worth finishing and that's the end.

I don't know you or what fandom you write in, but I hope you put at least as much energy into planning and writing your stories as you did on this rather pointless rant. Seriously. There is very little on the internet that fazes me anymore but this? This actually appalled me. The fic? not so much. But you two reviewers' attitudes? Yeah, appalled is the word.

Edited at 2008-04-29 12:24 am UTC

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[info]lullabee_lj
2008-04-29 12:30 am UTC (link)
I never have liked those tl;dr self-congratulatory posts about far too many people going into a battle of wits against a sole unarmed opponent, probably making it all the worse by ganging up on the fanbrat, making her defensive, and getting snarky, therefore making her disinclined to listen to a single word you say. Yeah, no one should make as many errors as she made, but we are not amused. You should have civilly told her what she did wrong and got your cheapies by reporting her for being underage.

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[info]kitesareevil
2008-04-29 12:39 am UTC (link)
I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt - that you didn't know she was 12 until she told you - but yeah, seriously, let it go. She appears to just not know any better yet. She's not some 25 year old who has been in fandom for 10 years and DOES know better but doesn't care. It'll get to her, eventually, and she'll look back on this one day and go:

"Hey, they were right." Followed quickly by "Maybe if I decide to give someone advice, I shouldn't be such an asshole."

Edited at 2008-04-29 12:40 am UTC

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[info]joereaves
2008-04-29 12:40 am UTC (link)
I was under the impression you were trying to make some kind of point about concrit, but you didn't quote any concrit, just someone being sarcastic and rude. There are plenty of ways to point out mistakes without trying to score cheap points. And it's particularly immature and quite frankly pathetic when the person the 'reviewer' is trying to score cheap points off is *twelve*.

Sure she's immature, but she's twelve, the reviewers are allegedly grown ups.

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[info]empressfunk
2008-04-29 12:46 am UTC (link)
She's twelve.

In roughly another five years, if she's still writing fanfiction, she's probably going to look back on this and be completely embarrassed. Cut her some slack. Sure, she's acting like a brat, but, again--she's twelve years old. She's probably still in elementary school. I'm amazed when kids can sit still long enough to attempt to write something anyway, crappy or not.

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[info]speaky_bean
2008-04-29 12:55 am UTC (link)
This? This is not what twelve-year-olds need. A twelve-year-old is a child. A twelve-year-old is only just beginning to fine-tune their work. In all likelihood, said work is going to be horrendous. Yes, there are some twelve-year-olds who are wonderful writers, but this is uncommon. What a child needs is encouragement to keep trying, and they really DON'T need to have every single error pointed out to them. It is too big of an assault on their ego--yeah, it'd be nice if they could handle it, but that would take maturity that is uncommon in people that age. This comes across as picking on a kid, not as being helpful. There are ways to phrase these things without sounding mean--it's all in the tone. I'm not going to defend this person's behavior--they certainly could have handled themselves better, even at their young age, and they are being bratty and unreasonable. But that doesn't excuse this kind of review.

Also, I don't know the canon, so this could be off, but about the blindness--if someone is a healer, they should be able to heal sightlessness. Given that it's magic to begin with and all. If there are specific rules in canon, then forgive me. It's also possible to restore sight through certain medical techniques, depending on what the cause of the blindness is. I'm not saying that that's a good plot device, but it can be done.

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(no subject) - [info]ehartsay, 2008-05-01 06:10 pm UTC

[info]mickeylover303
2008-04-29 12:57 am UTC (link)
I have to agree with the majority on this one and say that the review wasn't concrit at all; merely a ploy to contrive amusement. And while I can say my writing wasn't to the extent of the author's when I was twelve, I certainly wouldn't want such a harsh and condescending notion forced upon me for making mistakes.

Age isn't an excuse, but we all have to start somewhere.

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[info]lookninjas
2008-04-29 01:10 am UTC (link)
Because you yelled at MROS for suggesting the same things that your English teacher would if she saw this.

Because you told her to screw herself for trying to improve you like your parents would.


No. MROS was unnecessarily condescending from the get-go. She wasn't giving out helpful suggestions -- she was trying to score points and prove how clever she could be at someone else's expense. She was poking and prodding this kid to see what would happen. And so were you.

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(no subject) - [info]trudirose, 2008-04-29 02:39 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]empressmaude, 2008-04-29 05:12 am UTC
That twelve-year-old got totally pwned. Grats on your 12yo pwning skills!
[info]alandrea
2008-04-29 02:10 am UTC (link)
The story in question sounds like it is definitely in need of some decent concrit. The author is immature, and reacts in a way that certainly doesn’t flatter her.

The review had some really good advice, and I thought it was kind of funny; it would have made a great rant. It was definitely concrit, and the author would certainly do well to follow the advice it gave, but I wouldn’t go so far as to say it was decent concrit.

Decent concrit isn’t quite so patronizing.

Decent concrit doesn’t say that the time spent reading the story was wasted, because, you know, it’s constructive.

Personally, I’m pretty sure I wouldn’t think anyone was serious if they told me that they would like, totally beta my story after they’d said that. And quite frankly, you’re response to her was a bit reminiscent of some things I’ve seen on the other side of concrit arguments.

When people give decent concrit, and feel the need to preface it with “Sorry, I’m not trying to be rude or anything, but...” or something of the like, this is why. Just because you’re giving good advice doesn’t mean that you have a free pass be as acerbic as you’d like.

Decent concrit doesn’t immediately, intentionally, and remorselessly put the author on the defensive.

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[info]rekallthegreat
2008-04-29 03:02 am UTC (link)
Congratulations on bullying a 12-year-old. Will your next act of glorious feats be pushing the Pope down some stairs? Or will it be stealing candy from kids at a park?

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