Alana ([info]alanahikarichan) wrote in [info]fanficrants,
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Dear Everyone In The USA (and probably other countries with Christian symbols and references everywhere):

It's all right if you haven't read the bible. (I haven't, either, except in bits and pieces for lulz.)

Not having read it, however, does not excuse you from having nary the most ghostly clue as to its contents.

SERIOUSLY. If, say, Char. A says to Char. B "You're the son who murdered Abel, and was thrown out by Eve", you should probably be able to assume that Char. B is either literally or being compared to Cain. If C snaps "What, are you going to part the seas to allow us passage?", it's Moses on his mind. And if they start going on about wedding parties where the water is turned to wine-- you're either reading Bible!Fic or The Brothers Karamazov.

It's not like you're expected to know every story-- I've talked to plenty Christians who had no freaking clue who Job is (which sucks when you're trying to argue that God was a jerk in the Old Testament)-- or quote every scripture from memory, but this is the bread and butter of literary reference. It might be different if you didn't get a reference to Loki in the form of a snake dripping poison into a man's face, but American culture is saturated in Christianity.

Not knowing who Cain and Abel were when you're 15+ years old? Just makes you look kinda dumb. This is probably going to be more important in a book you read twenty years from now than who's going to be on next week's American Idol.

~ Alana

PS: I apply this to atheists, of course. I kinda have to. Seeing how I'm atheistic, and expect myself to know who Cain and Abel were... But I find it more disturbing when Christians (of whatever faction or subgroup) don't know their own mythology. Dear FSM, what the hell? D:




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[info]wandersfound
2007-05-09 12:33 am UTC (link)
I'm agnostic, and I even know who Job is, lol. There's no excuse for not knowing anything about the Bible. Especially in America. I know we haven't got a national religion, but honestly, Christianity shaped America. The Bible played as important a role in the forming of the United States as the Constitution.

Even if they don't know it from the Bible, I'm surprised that someone wouldn't know Cain and Abel. Its like Shakespeare, people quote/reference it all the time in different contexts.

So basically a big "word" to you.

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[info]alanahikarichan
2007-05-09 12:49 am UTC (link)
<3 YES EXACTLY.

... Of course, I've been told tales about how girls walked out of the Leonardo Dicaprio version of Romeo & Juliet crying because they didn't know the title characters die... Oh, America. TT-TT

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[info]the__ivorytower
2007-05-09 12:34 am UTC (link)
I actually tried to read through most of the bible (Dear lord, Genesis was BORING. I don't care who descended from who! Really! Get me to the good stuff!) but even if you didn't read the Bible, there's stuff like, say the Sandman comics, a lot of World of Darkness and other such references to Cain and Abel (based off said Bible, but still...) It's not as if it's really, really archaic.

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[info]amphritie
2007-05-09 12:35 am UTC (link)
Hear, hear. I'm Wiccan and even i know what's in the bible, roughly speaking. Admittedly, i was parentally forced through four years of Methodist Sunday school during my tender years, but still. Christians ought to know what's going on in their own holy book.

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[info]sanzoneedsahug
2007-05-09 12:36 am UTC (link)
I really agree with you with everything you had to say, the only issue is that people...just aren't as smart as they should be. And that makes me a sad panda.

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[info]thesilentsenshi
2007-05-09 02:53 am UTC (link)
Your icon made me LOL. xD

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[info]keire_ke
2007-05-09 12:39 am UTC (link)
*noddity nod* It's not even religion anymore, Bible is pretty much the landmark for the entirety of Western culture. There's no excuse for not knowing the basic stuff.

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[info]annepackrat
2007-05-09 12:39 am UTC (link)
Aren't Cain and Abel the two guys who are going up against Sanjaya tonight on American Idol?

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[info]alanahikarichan
2007-05-09 12:50 am UTC (link)
*Lawls forever*

Thank you. <3 I needed that.

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[info]shini_chii
2007-05-09 12:44 am UTC (link)
Even if you haven't read the Bible, you must know SOMETHING DX;.
It's like... there are fucking parodies, or you have to listen to grandpa/grandpa/insert-relative-here ranting about that and... DDDX;.

Basically: they = fail, you = word.

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[info]alanahikarichan
2007-05-09 01:12 am UTC (link)
ICON. XD *has no clue what it's from* *laughs anyway*

Thank you! Exactly! I was never raised to a belief system, but even I know this stuff. (And... yes. Grandma. Oh, Grandma... *sigh*)

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[info]rekallthegreat
2007-05-09 12:45 am UTC (link)
There have been so many references to Cain and Abel in plenty of mediums that there's no excuse for not knowing about them. TV shows, movies, manga, you find mentions of it everywhere.

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[info]freedombono
2007-05-09 07:10 am UTC (link)
Now I want to know which manga mentions it. XD

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(no subject) - [info]rekallthegreat, 2007-05-09 07:33 am UTC

[info]savingdaisydiva
2007-05-09 12:52 am UTC (link)
I agree. If I make some referance to some obscure myth or legend, I'm not going to bite someone's head off if they don't get it. The Loki example you used is the type of thing I'm talking about. (Though wasn't it Loki himself getting posion dripped on his face?)

Cain and Abel? If someone didn't get it, they could always Wiki it. *headdesk*

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[info]alanahikarichan
2007-05-09 01:29 am UTC (link)
(Yeah, he was; in the version I know, his wife held a bowl above his head until it was full, and then had to empty it as the venom dripped into his eyes. Cheerful!)

The person that laid the straw upon my back was actually asking if the "Eve" a character mentioned was supposed to be a diffrent character named EVA. When the same line mentioned killing Abel, and the person it was (presumably) directed towards had committed both patricide and fratricide, and EVA had been missing-presumed-dead since before the speaker was born. *Headdesks*

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[info]berseker
2007-05-09 01:02 am UTC (link)
Agree. I am a Christian, and I´m tired of the funny looks I get when I say my favs are Daniel and Hosea (not that I actually expect someone to remember him, but still) ^_^

Abel and Cain should be popular enough. Same goes for Moses, David, and the basic storyline of Redemption I´m still trying to get used to people not getting Chronicles of Narnia.

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[info]thesilentsenshi
2007-05-09 01:08 pm UTC (link)
Daniel is one of my favorites too! But I really love the story of Joseph. Ever since I was little. I had this super long VHS version that was really awesome, but it was like 8 hours long. I wonder if it's still around somewhere? :P *has the sudden urge to watch it*

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[info]allsunday
2007-05-09 01:56 am UTC (link)
*raises hand* I'm an Atheist, and at this point I'm pretty sure I know the bible better than a very large number of Christians.

You have no idea how much this disturbs me.

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[info]schizofragile
2007-05-09 01:56 am UTC (link)
I'm like, Roman Catholic and all and after Exodus there's nothing moar D:

Oh. I didn't know Cain was a time-traveller back then.



But anyway, I completely recommend Samuel 1..and 2, because David + Jonathan = OTP


*cough*

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[info]hallidae
2007-05-09 02:14 am UTC (link)
YES. David's kids were all completely fucking nuts, though, 'cept Solomon. ::was totally scarred as a sprat by the story of Amnon and Tamar::

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[info]erture
2007-05-09 02:17 am UTC (link)
Agreed. I wouldn't use myself as a decent standard, because I've had scads of churching, went to a Catholic school until eighth grade, was a kid who liked stories even and especially if they involved fiery furnaces, and am taking a Bible as Literature class in college currently (hooray paper on dream interpretation by Joshua and Daniel, here I come!). So ok, I can let people not knowing, say, Tamar, slide. But the basics? We're steeped in it.

(And, it'd be nice too if people knew some basic Greco-Roman mythology, but I don't know how big a problem this is.)

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[info]stace_s
2007-05-09 03:05 am UTC (link)
Hehe, your icon is highly amusing.

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[info]pierregringoire
2007-05-09 02:28 am UTC (link)
I feel like I'm in a minority here, but I don't really have a problem with people not getting literary allusions. Not to say I don't have a problem with people not getting certain things. If you're American and you don't know George Washington, I shake my head. And I've witnessed at least one woman wonder aloud why women suffragists worked so hard for the right to vote.

But if it's in a book that doesn't apply directly to a person's life, or something that wasn't taught in most 1st grade classes in the US, I'll let it pass. Even something that's ubiquitous. There are just too many people who don't find things like that very important or necessary to know. Of course, I'll feel a certain superiority to them -- hard not to do that. But they don't bug me. As for Christians not knowing their own mythology, I don't think the Old Testament is very applicable anymore. Most Christians I know only take it at metaphorical value, if that. But what I find a shame is how many people in the US still take Genesis literally and use it as a basis to debunk scientific theory. Not to start any arguments, but that's about the only thing that gets in my craw.

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[info]runespoor7
2007-05-09 10:41 am UTC (link)
something that wasn't taught in most 1st grade classes in the US

Because everyone should be held to the US' standards. Even people who don't live in the US.

As for Christians not knowing their own mythology, I don't think the Old Testament is very applicable anymore

But it's not a matter of being applicable or not. Like you said, it's a mythology - part of culture, and all. It doesn't need to be taken literally. (actually, it's when religious texts get taken literally that things turn sour, but I digress.)

But to go back to the US - a country which history relies so heavily on its relation to the Bible, and in which the president takes a vow on a religious text - well, I'd think knowing what the Bible's about is damn important. That's not just my standards for Americans. I think the Bible is such a huge part of the Western's world heritage, there is no excuse for not knowing at least who are Moses, Abel and Cain... But I suppose this is where we'll have to agree to disagree, heh. :)

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[info]justaminuet
2007-05-09 03:25 am UTC (link)
Seriously, as much as I hate to say it, some people just don't want to be bothered. Even if it's their own religion. Never was I more worried about the future of our nation when one of my coworkers was trying to teach another coworker the story of Moses... By use of the movie "The Ten Commandments."

I was hard pressed not to suddenly blurt out, "And then Charlton Heston went atop the mountain, and God gave him an Oscar."

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[info]freedombono
2007-05-09 07:15 am UTC (link)
"And then Charlton Heston went atop the mountain, and God gave him an Oscar."

Lulz.

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[info]odeaicse
2007-05-09 03:26 am UTC (link)
If you can't get grasp allusions, then you're not reading enough. I can't think of any prime examples right now, but works-- whether they be not/in/famous works-- have allusions to everything from the Bible to Jerry Springer.

It doesn't matter if you're Christian or not, you will find biblical allusions in quality literature. Please, please, read books. If the author's been dead at least 25 years and you've heard of the book, pick it up and read it. PLEASE.

[/librarian soapbox]

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[info]nymosy
2007-05-09 03:32 am UTC (link)
Something about this rant is rubbing me the wrong way. Maybe it's just the arrogant assumption that familiarity with the Bible, regardless of belief, somehow makes you a better person. I can't see how the lack of knowledge in anyone could honestly annoy you enough to make a public complaint about it, albeit without attributing its cause to any one person. All I can reason is that you're proud of your knowledge despite your belief system and want to prance around as a shining example of an open-minded Atheist who can appreciate the value of a written work and feel good when you're praised with agreement. Why else would you list so many examples of your esteemed Biblical knowledge?

It's never bad to know something. To disguise your pride in your knowledge as lofty criticism of others is, however, the least respectable display of this knowledge.

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[info]nymosy
2007-05-09 03:33 am UTC (link)
KNOWLEDGE COUNT: 5

LET'S SEE IF I CAN USE THAT WORD SIX TIMES NEXT

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[info]chelonianmobile
2007-05-09 06:09 am UTC (link)
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-prothero14mar14,0,5385607.story

"In a religious literacy quiz I have administered to undergraduates for the last two years, students tell me that Moses was blinded on the road to Damascus and that Paul led the Israelites on their exodus out of Egypt. Surveys that are more scientific have found that only one out of three U.S. citizens is able to name the four Gospels, and one out of 10 think that Joan of Arc was Noah's wife. No wonder pollster George Gallup has concluded that the United States is "a nation of biblical illiterates.""

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[info]alanahikarichan
2007-05-09 06:59 am UTC (link)
... D:!

I... Didn't need to know that. D:

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(no subject) - [info]alanahikarichan, 2007-05-09 07:46 pm UTC
devils advocate?
[info]pimmy_pim
2007-05-09 06:09 am UTC (link)
...

I'm nineteen, and I consider myself a fairly educated person, and I used to do a lot of reading. But I'm sorry, I have NO FREAKING IDEA who cain and abel are. Not in the slightest bit. Maybe I've seen a ton of refs to them... but if I don't recognize something as a ref, how the heck would i learn from it?

am i that un-cultured or something? I don't really bother with religous stuff. I think it's a LITTLE TINY BIT MAYBE KINDA patronizing to expect everyone to know something, especially when to ME, it seems a bit obscure. All the writers I know think the silliest things are common sense.

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Re: devils advocate?
[info]grey_meets_gold
2007-05-09 06:36 am UTC (link)
Eh, I think her point was that being as there are references to the Bible EVERYWHERE, it comes in handy to understand what, exactly, authors are blathering on about.

Or maybe I'm wrong and she really was being patronizing. :D

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Re: devils advocate? - [info]alanahikarichan, 2007-05-09 06:40 am UTC
Re: devils advocate? - [info]lewd_intentions, 2007-05-09 07:19 am UTC
Re: devils advocate? - [info]alanahikarichan, 2007-05-09 07:52 am UTC
Re: devils advocate? - [info]lewd_intentions, 2007-05-09 08:00 am UTC
Re: devils advocate? - [info]alanahikarichan, 2007-05-09 08:19 am UTC
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[info]friggle
2007-05-09 06:45 am UTC (link)
Wow, not knowing who Cain and Abel are is pretty sad; I knew about that Bible story from T.V. before I did from Sunday school. XDDD No excuses, people! lol

Hmm. Wonder what those people think the ol' saying of "raising Cain" means. XD

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[info]megalomaniageek
2007-05-09 07:55 am UTC (link)
Agreed. It has nothing to do with my ideas about religion, but rather my ideas about what constitutes shared cultural knowledge. I know who Medusa is, I know who Achilles is, I know who Buddha is, I know who Shiva is, I know who Vishnu is, and I know the pentacle is a sign of protection symbolizing fire, water, wind, air, and spirit. And those are just examples of figures I know through cultural exposure, rather than an interest in religious/theological learning.

Personally, I find entertainment - particularly my true loves, humor and parody - much more enjoyable when I know what it's referencing. Evangelion would have made even less sense without knowing the Adam-Eva-Lilith deal, and I learned about Lilith culturally (she's not a part of my religion so I would have never learned about her in Church). The Simpsons would be totally boring without literary, religious, and cultural references.

But suddenly, knowing that Cain kills Abel deserves less of a place in the cultural knowledge pot than knowing that, say, 2+2=5? Just because one is religion-based and the other is from a piece of political commentary? Even if you think every letter of the Bible is fiction down to the last drop of ink, it has value as a collection of ancient stories, just like any other piece of literature.

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[info]lordhellebore
2007-05-09 08:17 am UTC (link)
Word. It's common knowledge, regardless of believing it or not.

My literature professors at university are despairing every semester because nobody knows their bible - and so all the biblical allusions in literature from past centuries go unnoticed.

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[info]replica
2007-05-09 08:25 am UTC (link)
Eh, I dunno. I have only the barest knowledge of who Cain and Abel are (I know they're brothers, and one killed the other and got cast out... and that's the extent of what I know), and I certainly don't know anything else about anyone in the bible, or any religion, and I don't think any less of myself for not knowing.

Mostly because, I don't care. I grew up in a completely non-religious household. Never went to church, never talked about the bible or god, and I pretty much never believed in him. So I don't really see any need for having to know anything about it. It holds no interest for me, and so far in my life (I'm 21), it hasn't presented itself as being particularly important or impacting on anything for me.

So, I guess I just don't really understand why it would be important for everyone to know about it. Though I know I'd probably wiki or google it before asking, at least.

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[info]alanahikarichan
2007-05-09 08:46 am UTC (link)
Well, when someone takes this:
"It was you who killed Abel and was cast out by Eve"

And gets this:
Am I wrong assuming that "Eve" is the japanese version of Eva?

And people reply to go "Yeeees, you are wrong, because what you have thar is a biblical reference," and that someone starts going on about how impolite you people are for... reply on-topic...

XD;; Biblical references show up in media. If you're going to be doing stuff with the media, it's probably best to try and catch the references.

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This is a writing community. Writers are readers. Readers ought to know their Bible.
[info]greekhoop
2007-05-09 09:42 am UTC (link)
This isn't addressed to the original poster. This is addressed to the "LOL I DUNNO AND YOU CAN'T MAKE ME" people littering this thread.

Strutting around wearing your willful ignorance like a fucking "Runner-Up" ribbon from the Tri-County State Fair does not make you look more intelligent. Regardless of the religious affiliation you claim, you ought to be aware of the monumentally, inconceivably, immeasurably huge cultural significance of The Bible and early writings of the Christian Church have, not just on America but on, like, all the the Western World.

The Bible isn't just some weird book crazy Fundies wave at you when you pass by their street corner. It's a document that is vitally important to understanding virtually all of the art, literature, music, architecture, and significant cultural changes made over the past 2000 years.

Perhaps this is a bit of a sore spot for me. But I am very tired of self-proclaimed literary people not knowing rather simple references to places such as Golgotha Hill or the Road to Damascus, or to people like Balaam, or to things like the Pentecost.

If you are going to pursue any sort of liberal arts, either as part of your education or simply for pleasure, these are things that are going to come up again and again. These are things you are going to have to know. From Dante, to Milton, to Shakespeare, to Dostoyevsky, to Mark Twain, to Joyce, to Faulkner, to Vonnegut, to fucking STEPHEN KING. Biblical references are used frequently, and they have great thematic significance. If you don't know them, then you're crippling yourself as a reader. (Or as an artist, or as a historian, or as someone who appreciates music, etc.)

Even if you're not into liberal arts, don't you think that the document that like 30% of the American population thinks ought to govern the way the entire country is run might have just the teensiest bit of cultural significance to an American citizen?

Seriously, guys, what the hell? Reading The Bible is not going to give you Christianity cooties. Reading it does not obligate you to take the events presented in it as fact. But you're kidding yourselves if you think that book exists in a vacuum.

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Oh, neat...
[info]greekhoop
2007-05-09 09:44 am UTC (link)
By the way, if you don't believe me, I counted no less than three Biblical references in the four completely random songs that played on my iTunes while I was writing that comment.

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Re: This is a writing community. Writers are readers. Readers ought to know their Bible. - [info]highland_dragon, 2007-05-09 10:38 am UTC
Re: This is a writing community. Writers are readers. Readers ought to know their Bible. - [info]runespoor7, 2007-05-09 10:55 am UTC
Re: This is a writing community. Writers are readers. Readers ought to know their Bible. - [info]greekhoop, 2007-05-09 11:03 am UTC
Re: This is a writing community. Writers are readers. Readers ought to know their Bible. - [info]runespoor7, 2007-05-09 11:09 am UTC
Re: This is a writing community. Writers are readers. Readers ought to know their Bible. - [info]greekhoop, 2007-05-09 11:12 am UTC
Re: This is a writing community. Writers are readers. Readers ought to know their Bible. - [info]highland_dragon, 2007-05-09 12:15 pm UTC
Re: This is a writing community. Writers are readers. Readers ought to know their Bible. - [info]lyorn, 2007-05-09 01:38 pm UTC
Re: This is a writing community. Writers are readers. Readers ought to know their Bible. - [info]greekhoop, 2007-05-09 01:44 pm UTC
Re: This is a writing community. Writers are readers. Readers ought to know their Bible. - [info]greekhoop, 2007-05-09 10:55 am UTC
Re: This is a writing community. Writers are readers. Readers ought to know their Bible. - [info]highland_dragon, 2007-05-09 12:08 pm UTC
MORONS INDEED! OHOHOHOH! DICK MEASURING COMMENCE! - [info]greekhoop, 2007-05-09 12:15 pm UTC
You win the dick measuring, I do not have none. - [info]highland_dragon, 2007-05-09 12:50 pm UTC
Okay. Since I'm awake writing hot porn anyway... - [info]greekhoop, 2007-05-09 01:16 pm UTC
Re: Okay. Since I'm awake writing hot porn anyway... - [info]highland_dragon, 2007-05-09 01:30 pm UTC
Re: Okay. Since I'm awake writing hot porn anyway... - [info]greekhoop, 2007-05-09 01:41 pm UTC
Re: Okay. Since I'm awake writing hot porn anyway... - [info]highland_dragon, 2007-05-09 08:23 pm UTC
Re: This is a writing community. Writers are readers. Readers ought to know their Bible. - [info]funwithrage, 2007-05-09 02:28 pm UTC
Re: This is a writing community. Writers are readers. Readers ought to know their Bible. - [info]jpopson, 2007-05-09 11:40 am UTC
The Wank Island Line runs from New Orleans... - [info]greekhoop, 2007-05-09 11:50 am UTC
Re: The Wank Island Line runs from New Orleans... - [info]thesilentsenshi, 2007-05-09 01:36 pm UTC
Re: This is a writing community. Writers are readers. Readers ought to know their Bible. - [info]funwithrage, 2007-05-09 11:58 am UTC
Re: This is a writing community. Writers are readers. Readers ought to know their Bible. - [info]runespoor7, 2007-05-09 12:45 pm UTC
Re: This is a writing community. Writers are readers. Readers ought to know their Bible. - [info]lyorn, 2007-05-09 01:45 pm UTC
this is... wow. high horse much? - [info]pimmy_pim, 2007-05-09 04:23 pm UTC
You're really awesome at reading comprehesion, aren't you? - [info]greekhoop, 2007-05-09 08:38 pm UTC
yea, im admittably really bad at that. - [info]pimmy_pim, 2007-05-09 09:23 pm UTC
Re: yea, im admittably really bad at that. - [info]greekhoop, 2007-05-09 10:08 pm UTC
Re: yea, im admittably really bad at that. - [info]pimmy_pim, 2007-05-09 10:13 pm UTC
Re: yea, im admittably really bad at that. - [info]greekhoop, 2007-05-09 10:21 pm UTC
Re: yea, im admittably really bad at that. - [info]pimmy_pim, 2007-05-09 10:23 pm UTC
Re: This is a writing community. Writers are readers. Readers ought to know their Bible. - [info]odeaicse, 2007-05-09 04:56 pm UTC
Re: This is a writing community. Writers are readers. Readers ought to know their Bible. - [info]pierregringoire, 2007-05-09 08:22 pm UTC
I was with you until the very last paragraph. - [info]greekhoop, 2007-05-09 09:13 pm UTC
You think I smell like butt? :( - [info]pierregringoire, 2007-05-09 10:50 pm UTC
Re: You think I smell like butt? :( - [info]pierregringoire, 2007-05-09 11:21 pm UTC
Re: You think I smell like butt? :( - [info]greekhoop, 2007-05-09 11:48 pm UTC
Re: You think I smell like butt? :( - [info]pierregringoire, 2007-05-10 01:10 am UTC
Re: You think I smell like butt? :( - [info]greekhoop, 2007-05-10 04:41 am UTC
Re: You think I smell like butt? :( - [info]pierregringoire, 2007-05-10 05:04 am UTC
Last thing. - [info]greekhoop, 2007-05-10 05:15 am UTC
Re: You think I smell like butt? :( - [info]pierregringoire, 2007-05-10 01:18 am UTC
I think you smell like roses. If roses were BUTTS WITH THORNS. - [info]greekhoop, 2007-05-09 11:36 pm UTC
Re: I think you smell like roses. If roses were BUTTS WITH THORNS. - [info]pierregringoire, 2007-05-10 12:53 am UTC
Re: You think I smell like butt? :( - [info]imre_nico, 2007-05-10 12:34 am UTC
...dude, religion and politics. We're 2/3rd way to the tri-fecta. - [info]pierregringoire, 2007-05-10 01:48 am UTC
Re: That's two things you never discuss with friends..what was number three? - [info]imre_nico, 2007-05-10 02:35 am UTC
Sex? Money? Mysterious rashes? - [info]pierregringoire, 2007-05-10 04:55 am UTC
Re: Sex? Money? Mysterious rashes? - [info]imre_nico, 2007-05-10 07:27 am UTC
Re: HOW'S THAT FOR VERBOSE? - [info]imre_nico, 2007-05-10 07:28 am UTC
Well, alright, it's been super-fun - [info]pierregringoire, 2007-05-10 09:03 pm UTC
Re: Well, alright, it's been super-fun - [info]imre_nico, 2007-05-11 12:06 am UTC
Re: Well, alright, it's been super-fun - [info]pierregringoire, 2007-05-11 03:19 am UTC
Re: That's two things you never discuss with friends..what was number three? - [info]pierregringoire, 2007-05-10 06:36 am UTC
Re: That's two things you never discuss with friends..what was number three? - [info]imre_nico, 2007-05-10 08:31 am UTC
Re: This is a writing community. Writers are readers. Readers ought to know their Bible. - [info]sakru909, 2007-05-09 08:27 pm UTC
Do not read this. It is boring, and there is not a single joke. - [info]greekhoop, 2007-05-09 09:38 pm UTC
Re: Do not read this. It is boring, and there is not a single joke. - [info]sakru909, 2007-05-09 09:55 pm UTC
Re: Do not read this. It is boring, and there is not a single joke. - [info]greekhoop, 2007-05-09 09:59 pm UTC
Re: This is a writing community. Writers are readers. Readers ought to know their Bible. - [info]lyorn, 2007-05-11 02:45 pm UTC
Warning, rant ahead!
[info]highland_dragon
2007-05-09 10:07 am UTC (link)
I don't know who Cain and Abel are. I'm twenty and also consider myself to be well educated. I however am not religious, my family is not religious and my country is not particularly religious either.

America is one of the most religious of the first world countries; most if not all of the other first world countries are no where near as religious. We do not stuff Christianity down our children's throats, the most I encountered at school were the Lord's Prayer at an assembly (which only happened once a week), church at Easter, Christmas and Summer (Which most 5th and 6th years skipped) and Religious Education in first and second year where we learned about Christian morals, Moses, some Jesus stuff and other cultures. The very idea that people want their kids to be taught geneisis like it's fact is some sort of bizarre horror story that can't possibly be true because nobody is that stupid.

So yes I don't know who Cain and Abel are, it doesn't make me an idiot, it doesn't put me in the same league as those who don't know about Romeo and Juliet or Titanic sinking or anything else. It is not needed to know, not in this day and age, I don't care if media makes references to them; when I don't catch them it's not the end of the world.

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Re: Warning, rant ahead!
[info]runespoor7
2007-05-09 11:02 am UTC (link)
But it could be argued that Romeo and Juliet have Cain-and-Abel undertones - you just can't talk about a fratricidal war without recalling Cain and Abel. (Cain and Abel: Adam and Eve's sons, Abel was the oldest son I think and Cain was jealous of the special treatment Abel got, Cain killed Abel, God cursed Cain.)

And somehow, I don't think Titanic sinking had as big an impact on the world as the Bible.

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Re: Warning, rant ahead! - [info]highland_dragon, 2007-05-09 11:46 am UTC
Re: Warning, rant ahead! - [info]runespoor7, 2007-05-09 11:57 am UTC
Re: Warning, rant ahead! - [info]highland_dragon, 2007-05-09 12:32 pm UTC
Re: Warning, rant ahead! - [info]runespoor7, 2007-05-09 12:42 pm UTC
Re: Warning, rant ahead! - [info]highland_dragon, 2007-05-09 01:02 pm UTC
Re: Warning, rant ahead! - [info]lyorn, 2007-05-09 02:29 pm UTC
Re: Warning, rant ahead! - [info]alanahikarichan, 2007-05-09 06:58 pm UTC
Re: Warning, rant ahead! - [info]chibikaijuu, 2007-05-10 12:16 am UTC
Re: Warning, rant ahead! - [info]lyorn, 2007-05-09 02:14 pm UTC
Re: Warning, irony ahead! - [info]greekhoop, 2007-05-09 11:24 am UTC
Re: Warning, irony ahead! - [info]highland_dragon, 2007-05-09 11:51 am UTC
WHAT - [info]greekhoop, 2007-05-09 12:03 pm UTC
Re: WHAT - [info]highland_dragon, 2007-05-09 12:41 pm UTC
Re: WHAT - [info]greekhoop, 2007-05-09 12:48 pm UTC
Re: WHAT - [info]highland_dragon, 2007-05-09 01:05 pm UTC
Re: Warning, rant ahead! - [info]pimmy_pim, 2007-05-09 09:31 pm UTC
Re: Warning, rant ahead! - [info]alanahikarichan, 2007-05-09 09:51 pm UTC
Re: Warning, rant ahead! - [info]pimmy_pim, 2007-05-09 09:54 pm UTC
Re: Warning, rant ahead! - [info]odeaicse, 2007-05-11 12:35 am UTC
Re: Warning, rant ahead! - [info]odeaicse, 2007-05-11 12:46 am UTC
Re: Warning, rant ahead! - [info]moriapolonius, 2007-05-09 03:32 pm UTC
Re: Warning, rant ahead! - [info]pimmy_pim, 2007-05-09 04:32 pm UTC
Re: Warning, rant ahead! - [info]midnightdiddle, 2007-05-09 07:57 pm UTC
Re: Warning, rant ahead! - [info]moriapolonius, 2007-05-09 08:49 pm UTC
Re: Warning, rant ahead! - [info]midnightdiddle, 2007-05-09 09:17 pm UTC
Re: Warning, rant ahead! - [info]moriapolonius, 2007-05-09 10:21 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]moriapolonius, 2007-05-09 10:22 pm UTC
Yes. - [info]greekhoop, 2007-05-09 10:37 pm UTC
Re: Warning, rant ahead! - [info]highland_dragon, 2007-05-09 08:18 pm UTC
Re: Warning, rant ahead! - [info]pimmy_pim, 2007-05-09 09:44 pm UTC
Re: Warning, rant ahead! - [info]midnightdiddle, 2007-05-10 01:44 am UTC
Re: Warning, rant ahead! - [info]pimmy_pim, 2007-05-10 02:07 am UTC
Re: Warning, rant ahead! - [info]linnpuzzle, 2007-05-10 04:20 am UTC
Re: Warning, rant ahead! - [info]pimmy_pim, 2007-05-10 04:24 am UTC
Re: Warning, rant ahead! - [info]linnpuzzle, 2007-05-10 04:30 am UTC
Re: Warning, rant ahead! - [info]pimmy_pim, 2007-05-10 04:35 am UTC
Re: Warning, rant ahead! - [info]linnpuzzle, 2007-05-10 04:40 am UTC
Re: Warning, rant ahead! - [info]sunhawk, 2007-05-10 06:38 am UTC
Re: Warning, rant ahead! - [info]pimmy_pim, 2007-05-10 07:33 am UTC
Re: Warning, rant ahead! - [info]sunhawk, 2007-05-10 03:50 pm UTC
The relevance of culture for art, and getting away with it - [info]lyorn, 2007-05-11 02:09 pm UTC
Re: Warning, rant ahead! - [info]maplepancakes, 2007-05-09 09:27 pm UTC
Re: Warning, rant ahead! - [info]pimmy_pim, 2007-05-09 09:37 pm UTC
Re: Warning, rant ahead! - [info]maplepancakes, 2007-05-09 09:52 pm UTC
Re: Warning, rant ahead! - [info]pimmy_pim, 2007-05-09 09:56 pm UTC
Re: Warning, rant ahead! - [info]maplepancakes, 2007-05-09 10:00 pm UTC
Re: Warning, rant ahead! - [info]vulgarweed, 2007-05-09 04:37 pm UTC
Re: Warning, rant ahead! - [info]moriapolonius, 2007-05-09 09:16 pm UTC

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