jennjenn724 ([info]jennjenn724) wrote in [info]fanficrants,
@ 2007-05-04 01:37:00
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Tips for leaving concrit without looking like a jerk

I may get burned for some of this, but I've been meaning to post it for months, so here goes ...

I've got a few tips for reviewers trying to leave constructive criticism.  There are a some obvious points that I could get into like "don't swear profusely at the author" and "don't spend all your time ranting about how you hate the main character of the fic and wish that they would die", but in my opinion people who leave these types of reviews aren't trying to leave true concrit at all, but are closer to flaming.  My points are more things that I see in reviews that the reviewer actually thinks are valid, good, even helpful to the author, but which have easily avoidable flaws that can sometimes come across as overly critical and rude even when the reviewer doesn't them in this way.  


Tip #1:  Merely reading a stranger's fic on the internet does not qualify you to make comments on any aspect of their life.  Unless they tell you, you do not know anything about them.  You do not know that they are stupider than you.  You do not know that they "get off" on certain genres of fiction or even things found in their own fic.  You do not know how much time they spent on said fic.  You do not even know that they are a bad writer; you can know that a particular story is bad in your opinion, but that does not make the person a bad writer.  It is possible that the fic was published a long time ago, or maybe they aren't good at writing fiction, or maybe they just don't take fanfiction that seriously.  I once knew a girl who was a great writer, but wrote horrible fanfiction (mostly because of awful Mary Sues, and bad characterizations).

Tip #2:  Don't get too bossy.  It is fine to say "I think the story would be better if you did ..." sometimes, but don't make a 50 point list and insist that the author is inconsiderate and doesn't really care about the story if they do not make all  the suggested changes within 2 hours.  Unless it is spelling or grammar problems, then your criticism will be quite subjective anyway.  An author may take your advice into consideration, may even agree with you to a certain extent, but may not heed said advice for their own reasons.  Your relationship to the author is not boss/employee.

Tip #3:  Neither is your relationship to the author parent/child.  Don't be condescending.  I personally think that it is dangerous to assume that the only reason to review is to help the author.  This is certainly one reason, but I also think that there are at least 2 others: 1.) To let other readers know how good the story is (many people read reviews to decide if they are going to read a fic) and 2.) to let the author know what you honestly thought of the finished story/chapter.  I especially think that getting it into your head that you are going to help out this inferior author can often make you sound superior and condescending. 

Tip # 4:  Give credit where credit is due.  By this I don't mean that you have to hide your criticism in mounds of praise or even use the "sandwich" method.  If you think a story needs a lot of work, I believe that you should be able to say so, but if a story has great characterization, but jumps around too much, then mention and talk about BOTH of those things.  Even talk about aspects of the story that are "okay" as opposed to horrible.  A fully fleshed out review will discuss both good and bad aspects of a story unless the fic is either mind numbingly horrible or the best thing ever.  Don't simply make a list of all of a mediocre story's flaws -- it will make you look overly critical and the author may be less likely to take you seriously than if you were fully and completely honest.

Of course I understand that when arguments get started that sometimes the fault lies with the author and many writers will go nuts, no matter how careful you are about how you leave criticism.  I still think that using these tips can do a lot to make a review more tolerable and maybe make blowups less likely.    

That is all.  If you think I have broken any of my own rules in this post, there are two possible reasons for this: 1.  I am a big, fat hypocrite.  2.  There is a difference between giving a list of general tips and leaving a review for a specific story.   Not aimed at anyone on this community, just things I've observed in reviews.  A little tl;dr, I know.   




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[info]eternalotome9
2007-05-04 06:33 am UTC (link)
Thank you. This was needed. =)

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[info]orthent
2007-05-04 06:57 am UTC (link)
A fifth one: lose the sarcasm. A review isn't the place to display your wit at the author's expense.

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[info]jennjenn724
2007-05-04 07:02 am UTC (link)
Agree.

I can be sarcastic with the best of them, but nothing can make a review rude faster than even one or two sarcastic comments.

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[info]orthent
2007-05-04 07:08 am UTC (link)
Nothing is more wounding and, in my opinion, virtually guaranteed to put the recipient's back up. And yet some people don't realize that it's rude--I've seen reviewers be all big-eyed astonishment about the way their "perfectly polite" review was received, when the "perfectly polite" review was laced with sarcasm.

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[info]jennjenn724
2007-05-05 03:45 am UTC (link)
Oh, I know. I think it is because so many people use sarcasm in their day to day conversations and are able to do it without making people mad. They don't realize that on the internet people can't pick up on their emotional cues and don't know HOW MUCH they are joking.

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[info]iczer6
2007-05-04 07:51 am UTC (link)
Agreed.

It helps to remember that it's hard to tell someone's tone on the internet so even a comment meant to be silly, or to give the writer a laugh, might be misunderstood.

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[info]freedombono
2007-05-04 07:26 am UTC (link)
You win... not one, but two internets.
Congratulations.

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[info]fizzylizard
2007-05-04 09:19 am UTC (link)
Hear, hear.

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[info]ericmushroom
2007-05-04 10:41 am UTC (link)
Good advice. I have trouble giving good criticism (although I haven't really left many fanfic reviews for quite a long time, and back when I did I really didn't even bother trying to give good criticism :(), so I'll try to keep this stuff in mind.

And I'd second the point brought up in the comments about how a review isn't the place for someone to display their wit at the author's expense...

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[info]zalixethbe
2007-05-04 11:35 am UTC (link)
Ha, I actually started typing up a list like this a few weeks ago, and yesterday got it out to have a look at it again to consider posting. Seems that's not necessary, seeing as your list seems to cover most of it. :) Only other thing that I'd consider adding is USE SPELLCHECK. Especially if you are going to mention the author's spelling/grammar in the review. Attempting to give concrit while you review looks like it was typed by a blind monkey with a typewriter won't make the author take you seriously.

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[info]elektra_alpha
2007-05-04 01:57 pm UTC (link)
:D I got that type of review, just because English is not my mother language does not mean I have no idea on how to use spellcheck. And God, when I pointed and laughed that it, she turned I didn't use punctuation marks because I suck at it. -_-' Let alone pile of misspells.

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[info]elektra_alpha
2007-05-04 02:01 pm UTC (link)
*that = AT.
-_-' Somehow Firefox's spellcheck can't help me.

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[info]jaina
2007-05-04 01:57 pm UTC (link)
I would add: don't write a novel. Because even if all the criticism is well-done, if it's a lot of text offered to someone who doesn't know you, odds are they're going to be a little shocked/overwhelmed and not react well. And if someone honestly wants to provide good crit that the author will listen to (and not just vent at the author) then it's more important to write it in a way they might listen to than to say everything that bugs them.

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[info]jennjenn724
2007-05-05 04:58 am UTC (link)
I agree with you to a certain extent. I do think that good concrit should be more than a sentence or two, but I always try to keep my reviews from being longer than a whole screen on the computer. Mostly, I think that you don't have to get TOO specific with criticism in reviews. It is enough to just say "this fic has some run-on sentences" and give at most ONE example. The author can figure the rest out for themselves or have someone else do it for them. You don't have to go into detail about WHY run-on sentences are bad, or how your stories used to suffer from the same thing or give a dozen examples of right and wrong ways to write a sentence.

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[info]elektra_alpha
2007-05-04 02:10 pm UTC (link)
XD That is what I want to see lately.

#6: Critique =/= constructive criticism. (General)You are not their beta, please don't beta some stranger's work before they ask you to. And showing of HERE, I can write YOUR story BETTER than YOU will not make recipients appreciate it.

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[info]berseker
2007-05-04 06:02 pm UTC (link)
Ditto.

That´s why criticizing every paragraph of a fic won´t get any result - the author will probably panic ^^

Plus, if you really feel like beta-ing the story, you can politely offer first.

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[info]wyntir_rose
2007-05-04 04:04 pm UTC (link)
I am in huge agreement with all of this, including the adendums put forward by orthent, jaina, and elektra_alpha.

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[info]sarajayechan
2007-05-04 05:39 pm UTC (link)
Have my internet babiez plz. Especially for #2 and #3.

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[info]berseker
2007-05-04 05:59 pm UTC (link)
THANK YOU and a big huge WORD.

That´s something to keep in mind all the time, yes.

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[info]elle_s_shadow
2007-05-04 10:08 pm UTC (link)
Oh, *so* much word.

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[info]mireia_antonina
2007-05-04 11:00 pm UTC (link)
Well said.

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[info]pretentioustfu
2007-05-05 12:39 am UTC (link)
Word.

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[info]ardwynna_m
2007-05-05 01:01 am UTC (link)
Memoried. I might need to gently direct someone to this in the future.

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[info]polly_moopers
2007-05-05 03:28 am UTC (link)
Hah, I couldn't review anything at all without the sandwich method. I feel so guilty whenever I leave criticisms (THAT CAN'T BE HOW IT'S SPELLED) with no praise.

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[info]tabbyclaw
2007-05-05 09:44 pm UTC (link)
I don't feel guilty, exactly, but I do insist on only reviewing if I have at least one good thing to say because otherwise it's like, "If this is completely unsalvageable, why should I waste my time and the author's?"

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[info]kohii_temple
2007-05-05 01:49 pm UTC (link)
Is sandwich method equivalent to a combo of praise and concrit? If it is, then guilty as charged. But I leave at least an encouraging word. :)

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[info]jennjenn724
2007-05-06 12:55 am UTC (link)
The sandwich method is when you put a piece of criticism between two pieces of praise.

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[info]chibikaijuu
2007-05-06 07:16 pm UTC (link)
It doesn't seem the OP is saying "don't use the 'Sandwich Method'", but rather that you don't *need* to do it to make for good ConCrit so long as you do remember to point out the things that really were good. having to sandwich criticism between two pieces of praise is a good way to reming yourself not to create simply a laundry list of flaws, but it also leads to obscuring your points and "damning with faint praise" when you find yourself stretching to find two good points to put around each suggestion you have.

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[info]kohii_temple
2007-05-07 02:44 am UTC (link)
That makes sense. I suppose the sandwich method was developed to make the concrit appear "balanced".

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[info]el_regrs
2007-05-06 03:11 am UTC (link)
Yes.

I can deal with a nitpicker, but a bossy, condescending, judgmental nitpicker will make me go PUNCH.

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