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Hey all!

I've been lurking in this community for quite a while. I will not be surprised at all if I'm flamed for this post, because I've been a needle in many of your asses lately with my comments to your entries, and that's fine with me.

I have a little problem with things I keep seeing in this community, which I find partialy amusing, partialy useless, and partialy just stupid. I mean, I understand that this is a RANT community, so I will not go into how I think it's pathetic to publicly laugh at people's spelling mistakes behind their backs, how it's immature  to  expect for everybody to agree with the way YOU think fics should be written etc. 

However, a re-ocurring theme in this community is something like this: OMG!! WTF IS WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE?! *this character* DOES NOT LOVE *this character*!! Or. *this person* IN *this fandom*  HAS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PERSONALITY AND A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT LOOK, HOW DARE YOU DESCRIBE HIM/HER LIKE THIS, IDIOTS!!!

Ok, since when, in FANDOM, of all things, has everyone decided that artistic license is worth nothing? Let's learn, boys and girls. There is a part of fandom who prefer CANON - that means they like characters described exactly how the original writer wrote them, and they have to be IC, and they have to end up with people they ended up with in the show/book/cartoon/game etc. There is also a thing called FANON - that's for those who write pairings they prefer, sometimes like OOC, and yes, crack!fic fits in here as well. 

Because, you see, the whole point of fan-fic is for people who want to see the different sides of the characters the writers have written to be able to do so. For those of us who think Draco should end up with Harry to be able to read/write about it. For those of us who think Draco would be a gentle lover to write/read about it. ETC ETC ETC

So why are people yelling all around in this community things like: "Draco is supposed to be crule and vile and stubborn, stop portraying him as actually good deep inside!! What must I do to make people understand Draco is vile and cruel? Can't you people read? Haven't you read the books?"

If we were satisfied with "the books", fan-fic would not exist. Because someone wants to portray a character differently than you, YOUR MAJESTIES, would like to see him/her, it doesn't mean their work is crappy or wrong. If you don't like nice!Draco, don't read it! If someone wants to dress Snape in a tutu and you don't like it? DON'T READ IT, stop bitching on here that: "HOW DARE THEY, BIATCHES, NOT SHARE MY OPINION ON WHAT THING SHOULD BE!!!"

I somewhat understand people who get frustrated about grammar and post on here that they just CANNOT see the same mistakes done over and over again! I can relate - I'm a Beta, sometimes it gets frustrating. 

But flaming people because they prefer fanon? Because they want to portray characters in their own FAN-FICTIONS the way they want to? Make them end up with whom they want to? Describe them in whatever words they want to?

Are you serious?




*** All examples and quotes are theoretical.



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[info]xayeidemon
2006-10-20 07:27 pm UTC (link)
Oh, wow. May I please have your babies?

Because someone wants to portray a character differently than you, YOUR MAJESTIES, would like to see him/her, it doesn't mean their work is crappy or wrong.

That line right there summed up how I've felt about the "so-and-so will never do such-and-such" rants. I guess it is too hard for some people to just hit the back button and move on.

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[info]football_girl
2006-10-21 01:33 pm UTC (link)
LoL Yes, you may have my babies - I don't like babies.

I just couldn't STAND the stupid: "Stop raping MY character" rants. People have GOT to get a life. :P

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[info]allira_dream
2006-10-20 07:27 pm UTC (link)
They can like fanon all they want. Or crack!fics. I do love well done crack!fics.

However, when I'm searching for something IC to read, and find 'Ooooh, Draco is a poor damsel in distress wearing leather pants! He really should've been in Gryffindor! *woeangst*', it annoys me. And thus, this wonderful community where I can come to rant about how people keep writing characters OOC. I do stop reading the fic a 90% of the times, I'm not stupid. But, it still annoys me.

And, the thing is: these fics are being shared with everybody else. It's not something you just stumbled into a journal, which is supposed to be for funs and giggles. By putting it over the net, you're pretty much saying 'Hey, it's okay to read this and it's okay for you to give me your opinion'.

I'm satisfied with most of the canon my fandoms give me. I still wish I could read more, of the CHARACTERS that I fell in love with. That means that I want a brash, impatient and many times down rude Edward Elric; I want my megalomaniac sociopath villians to be that, I want the sweet characters who dislike to fight but will do so to protect someone remain like that and not suddenly be kick ass violent bitches or, if I'm not going to be reading this, I want a damn good reason why they're not like that.

I read (and write) fanfiction because I'm a fan of the original source. Not because I suddenly decided that because it's fiction I could do whatever the hell I wanted with it. For that, I can write original stories.

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[info]allira_dream
2006-10-20 07:43 pm UTC (link)
Oh, and, since you were ever so kind with your appelatives: If you don't like to read bitching about fanfiction or characterization, Your Majesty, HIT THE BACK BUTTON! It's as simple as that! Just because you don't agree that people have the right to get annoyed when someone rapes the characters they care about, it doesn't mean it's wrong! Just, DON'T READ IT! But flaming people because they get tired of bad fanfiction? PLEASE.

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[info]shanaqui
2006-10-20 07:29 pm UTC (link)
I think the thing is that this community is an opinion community. Everything should come with an "in my opinion" preceeding it.

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[info]krwalker
2006-10-20 08:06 pm UTC (link)
Or, at the very least, should be implied by the reader.

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[info]iggy04
2006-10-20 07:32 pm UTC (link)
Because, you see, the whole point of fan-fic is for people who want to see the different sides of the characters the writers have written to be able to do so. For those of us who think Draco should end up with Harry to be able to read/write about it. For those of us who think Draco would be a gentle lover to write/read about it.

There is a difference between writing out what you want to because you think it's how it should be, and writing out what you want to but at least backing it out through possible canon character development.

For example, I hate Harry/Draco. However, that does not mean I won't read it if it's done properly. If one moment I see Harry and Draco yelling at each other, then the next moment deciding that they should have sex because they love to hate each other, or something like that, then obviously no. But if I see a gradual develop, say, Harry reflecting on what could possibly be feelings for Draco other than hatred (like internally battling it out inside because he thinks Ron will hate him), then that's fine, because it's not suddenly just saying "OMG I DON'T NEED CANON, I CAN GET THEM INTO BED IF I WANT TO SO HAHAHA!"

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[info]iggy04
2006-10-20 07:42 pm UTC (link)
Edit 1: I meant "development". Obviously.

Edit 2: It's not how we think it should be written. It's how the characters are perceived, and writing something on a sugar-hi because you like it and expect everyone else to like this "sudden change", even though there's no explanation, is not perception.

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[info]clothes_whorse
2006-10-20 07:34 pm UTC (link)
There's a difference between bringing out a personality that might not be evident in canon (such as your 'good inside' Draco--which, after HBP, I can definitely see given the ending circumstances) and completely raping canon.

A decent writer can develop a character out of their canon persona, maturing and changing them with reasonable circumstances and events. Example: Even though Draco was involved in the plot to get DEs into Hogwarts during HBP, the realization of what they actually do, as in maim, torture, and kill, hits. He can recognize the inherent evil when the principles are not applied to the abstract 'muggles' and 'muggleborns' but actual living human people he's seen and known for years. He slowly begins to change, with plausible, realistic reasons as to why.

That is good writing. What is not good is inventing this idealized caricature of Draco, writing it down and expecting readers to like it. Readers are in a fandom because they like the characters and situations they know from canon. Not because they want some author to invent some new character, stick a familiar name on it and pretend like it's right.

I think, for the most part, what people are ranting about is the poor execution of character change. Because, until you as an author extrapolate on why Draco has suddenly turned spy for the Order, it just seems out of the character that's been established in canon. What would, with extenuating circumstances and a convincing backstory, be a good, well-thought-out fic with good character development is instead a story about a confusing, unfamiliar character whom readers don't know how to react to.

And, seriously, if you wanted people to respect your opinion, you did not phrase yourself particularly well. You were pretty abrasive and antagonistic...people generally don't take well to that. The addressing of us as 'your majesties' was just unnecessary. Courtesy goes a long way.

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[info]linen
2006-10-20 07:41 pm UTC (link)
I'm placing my bet here, and most certainly on:

"Not because they want some author to invent some new character, stick a familiar name on it and pretend like it's right."

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Friend, you picked the wrong person to be snappy and rude with... - [info]clothes_whorse, 2006-10-21 04:57 pm UTC
Re: Friend, you picked the wrong person to be snappy and rude with... - [info]toxictattoo, 2006-10-21 05:42 pm UTC
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[info]ninjitsu_x
2006-10-20 07:34 pm UTC (link)
Um...yeah, fanfiction is one word. It's not fan-fiction. You really need to get that straight.

I have no problem with fanon, but sometimes, people take it TOO far and they act as if they had a whole load of sugar stuck up their asses. If it's written well, I don't see why not, but to write a story where the characters are so ridiculously out of character that they don't exist in the fandom anymore is my pet peeve. The bottom line is this-there are some people who create horrible plots when they are working on fanon. That's why they receive flames for that. If it was a decent plot, then the story would be more or less good.

I don't expect characters to be IC all the time, but for the love of the fandom, indicate a reason as to WHY they're OOC.

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[info]ninjitsu_x
2006-10-20 07:36 pm UTC (link)
And another thing-I agree that you should rephrase your claims and allegations, because you sounded very stuckup and snobby when I read your rant. If you want people to respect you, then respect them, and not make yourself look like a complete jackass.

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[info]myystic
2006-10-20 07:35 pm UTC (link)
While I agree with you about "don't like, don't read" and "the backbutton trumps flaming," however...

I read fanfic because I like the original characters and I want to read more about them. If I find a story where the characters are not behaving in a way that reminds me at least somewhat of the original version I lose all interest in the story. I definitely agree about fanfiction being the place where we can see different sides to the character, there's a fine line between writing a different "side" and writing a different "character." It's all about believability. To use your example, I could buy Draco being a gentle lover to a pureblood with similar worldviews, but his being a gentle lover to someone he has been shown to hate/dislike in the books (Harry and Hermione, for example) would be a bit too far of a stretch for me, though if the author took the time to build a rapport between the characters to include friendship and/or respect I could believe it then, too. It's not Draco being a gentle lover that would bother me, its how his being a gentle lover to certain individuals without a lot of legwork on the part of the author requires too much suspension of disbelief on my part for me to be willing to deal with it. It's not the different "side" of the character, it's how that side is shown by the author.

Though again, I'm a big fan of the backbutton.

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[info]football_girl
2006-10-21 02:04 pm UTC (link)
I understand perfectly well what you mean. I understand that some people like canon. That's ok. I read fanfic because I like the original characters and I want to read more about them. <--- All I want people to understand is while YOU are looking for this, some other people may be looking for fanon - for OOC, for something else. And when no one's condemning you for like what you like, why would you condemn people who like something different?

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(no subject) - [info]myystic, 2006-10-21 05:02 pm UTC

[info]maiiau
2006-10-20 07:37 pm UTC (link)
Your icon pretty much sums up my feelings on good-written fic, actually.

If you want nice!Draco, fine. What I want to see is proof he's nice while still being Draco. Know canon and then distort it, but start with the canon. If over the course of the fic Draco becomes a nice person due to the circumstances of the story, that works for me. I just want to read about the characters I like when I look for fanfiction. If I wanted original characters, I'd go to the library.

Of course, PWP and the like don't count; if you just want to stick Draco and Harry together for that and label it as such, I don't care. XD

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You're new, aren't you?
[info]freezer818
2006-10-20 07:46 pm UTC (link)
You have noticed that the name of this commuinty is Fanficrants, right?

That means that people are going to (and are largely encouraged to) bitch about things that bug them.

For a lot of us, that includes characters we perceive as being written badly and/or OOC.

And frankly, there's a world of difference between "following fanon" and "have we been watching the same character?"

For the record, no one here is going to dispute your right to come in and bitch about what bugs you. Just don't be surprised when you get more than a few "bitch, please" replies in response.

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Re: You're new, aren't you?
[info]el_regrs
2006-10-21 03:23 am UTC (link)
I'm in love with your icon.

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Re: You're new, aren't you? - [info]thesilentsenshi, 2006-10-21 03:39 am UTC
Re: You're new, aren't you? - [info]football_girl, 2006-10-21 02:06 pm UTC
*LE SIGH* - [info]freezer818, 2006-10-21 03:06 pm UTC
Re: *LE SIGH* - [info]football_girl, 2006-10-21 03:15 pm UTC
Re: *LE SIGH* - [info]des_butterfly, 2006-10-21 05:52 pm UTC
Re: *LE SIGH* - [info]ninjitsu_x, 2006-10-21 06:59 pm UTC
Re: *LE SIGH* - [info]madra_liath, 2006-10-21 10:21 pm UTC
Re: *LE SIGH* - [info]ninjitsu_x, 2006-10-21 03:22 pm UTC
Re: *LE SIGH* - [info]football_girl, 2006-10-21 03:27 pm UTC
Re: *LE SIGH* - [info]ninjitsu_x, 2006-10-21 03:44 pm UTC

[info]eighthcrow
2006-10-20 07:48 pm UTC (link)
Except...if you ignore the way the characters are written in canon, it's not fanfiction anymore. I agree that everyone has different interpretations and they're all equally valid, but...there's a difference between showing what you believe to be Draco's motivations and showing him as humble, kind and tolerant towards everyone he meets.

OMG!! WTF IS WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE?! *this character* DOES NOT LOVE *this character*!!

That I agree with, because I think most any pairing can be made to work, if the writer makes an effort. I enjoy pairings I'd never believe would happen in the canon.

Most rants, I think, aren't attacking the pairing per se but how it's written.

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[info]krwalker
2006-10-20 08:14 pm UTC (link)
Most rants, I think, aren't attacking the pairing per se but how it's written.

This is so true. Many times, I'm just disgusted by the idea of a certain pairing. Moreso with slash, even. However, I remember one sobering experience I had:

I don't know why, but for some reason, I read a slash fic from the Quantum Leap fandom. Sam/Al, of course. I didn't like the idea one bit, but the story was well written. In the end, it was so well done that I actually stayed up all night and read the whole thing. Afterwards, I even said to myself, "Huh, that really does work." Do I agree with the pairing? No. Did I find it completely plausible that Sam and Al could get together after the way the author wrote it? Absolutely.

Goes to show you how much writing and characterization really does have an effect on a story.

Kudos to you for bringing up this point!

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(no subject) - [info]eighthcrow, 2006-10-20 10:04 pm UTC
OT - [info]cat_mcdougall, 2006-10-20 08:52 pm UTC
Re: OT - [info]eighthcrow, 2006-10-20 10:06 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]football_girl, 2006-10-21 02:09 pm UTC

[info]soaker87
2006-10-20 07:48 pm UTC (link)
I agree with you to a certain degree. An artistic license is important and I'll sometimes write characters differently than they're portrayed in the show/book.

However, I don't think people should go crazy and forget the original characterization all together. There's some lines with certain characters that possibly shouldn't be crossed and if they are crossed, it should be done carefully. Sometimes it gets annoying when you see the same character getting portrayed in the same incorrect way so often that you can't find any fics where so-and-so is IC.

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I don't have a 'please, bitch' icon...
[info]des_butterfly
2006-10-20 07:52 pm UTC (link)
...So this 'fuck you' one will have to do.

^_^

BRING ON THE WANK.

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Re: I don't have a 'please, bitch' icon...
[info]the__ivorytower
2006-10-20 07:58 pm UTC (link)
You could use the wank icon!

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Re: I don't have a 'please, bitch' icon... - [info]des_butterfly, 2006-10-20 07:59 pm UTC
I've got an icon! - [info]hanyo_alchemist, 2006-10-20 08:39 pm UTC
It certainly will ;) - [info]des_butterfly, 2006-10-20 08:40 pm UTC
Re: It certainly will ;) - [info]hanyo_alchemist, 2006-10-21 12:25 am UTC
Re: It certainly will ;) - [info]yukinoomoni, 2006-10-21 04:12 am UTC
Re: It certainly will ;) - [info]hanyo_alchemist, 2006-10-21 12:51 pm UTC
Re: It certainly will ;) - [info]hanyo_alchemist, 2006-10-21 12:54 pm UTC
Re: It certainly will ;) - [info]freezer818, 2006-10-21 11:10 pm UTC
Re: It certainly will ;) - [info]yukinoomoni, 2006-10-22 05:48 pm UTC
Re: It certainly will ;) - [info]kazou_kiriyama, 2006-10-21 07:40 pm UTC
Re: It certainly will ;) - [info]hanyo_alchemist, 2006-10-21 07:57 pm UTC
Re: It certainly will ;) - [info]kazou_kiriyama, 2006-10-21 08:16 pm UTC
Re: I don't have a 'please, bitch' icon... - [info]thesilentsenshi, 2006-10-21 03:42 am UTC
Re: I don't have a 'please, bitch' icon... - [info]football_girl, 2006-10-21 02:12 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]des_butterfly, 2006-10-21 05:54 pm UTC
Im in ur email fillin ur inbox! - [info]hanyo_alchemist, 2006-10-21 08:05 pm UTC

[info]aimers81
2006-10-20 07:55 pm UTC (link)
I don't necessarily agree or disagree. If it's well-written I'll read it, even if it defies my opinion of what would be in character or not. Because if it's well-written, then the author has found a way to establish what I might consider to be OOC. But I do understand that what is my version of in-character might not be someone else's. And when that happens I hit the back button and forget about it.

That said, as a conversational point not an argument, I thought the reason that most people read fan-fiction was because they liked the characterization in canon to begin with. Something in the plot or characterization appealed to the fan and they went out to find fiction that was similar. Like a story that fills in a gap in the original plot or merely expands the same universe with they characters they enjoy reading/watching/whatever.

Have I missed the point? I always thought that if it were not for the original canon characterizations then fanfiction would actually be original fiction only with the names of characters I enjoy rather than original names/places/etc.

By the way, this? Because someone wants to portray a character differently than you, YOUR MAJESTIES, would like to see him/her, it doesn't mean their work is crappy or wrong. Is pure gold.

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[info]football_girl
2006-10-21 02:14 pm UTC (link)
Thank you. I won't argue with that. You're right, if it's well-written, it's good, if it's badly written, it's bad. That was all I was saying. And yes, many people like canon and read fan-fic because they want to read fanon. But we can't forget fanon and the huge following it has, and it seems stupid to flame people because they prefer fanon over canon, because it's a personal preferrence.

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(no subject) - [info]lonnie_chan, 2006-10-21 07:50 pm UTC

[info]dazeydevyne
2006-10-20 07:57 pm UTC (link)
If you want to create (to keep with the HP analogies) some hot emo/goth Slytherin boy for Harry to fall madly in love with, who is actually nice and sweet, or have a teacher wearing a tutu and handing out cotton candy, dying his hair a honey blonde and adopting the "rejects" from Hagrid's cabin, then create a new character. I can understand wanting to "tweak" an OC to meet a particular requirement for a story, but if you change every fundemental aspect of a person, then the only thing they have in common is the name. Surely you're creative enough to think of one.

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[info]vzg
2006-10-20 07:59 pm UTC (link)
I've said it before and I'll say it again: They have the RIGHT to do what they want. We have a WRITE to recognize it as crap.

Sure, people go too far with certain things. However, you've gone too far in the reverse. If someone says, "Please, don't use _____ to describe _____ because it makes it sound like _____," they're POLITELY saying that a particular way of describing a character comes off, to them, as creepy/bad/like someone completely different. They aren't demanding everyone recognize their idea or that people should flame any fanfic that does it; they're essentially leaving a review here, in a way that gets out their own frustrations. Why not do it in an actual review? Because authors get snippy, like you. Because they don't want to be rude and are afraid they might come off as such without intending to be. Because they've seen in in twenty or so stories and don't want to go through leaving the same review on each one.

And, frankly, I can write fanfic about works I am satisfied with. To me, fanfic is an added plus — an extra, to squeeze any last bit of enjoyment I can out of it. That means I don't want to read about someone who isn't the canon character. I won't argue against different interpretations of a character, but I don't rant about those. If it's OOC, it is not the character I am looking for — it is something that goes against canon. And no, fanon isn't necessarily something that goes against canon; usually it's just something that is popular among the fans and isn't proven or disproven in canon.

And it's possible to manipulate a character to get what you want. I LIKE Draco/Harry... when it's well-done, and when the characters I'm reading about actually resemble Draco and Harry in some way. If "Draco" is some flamer who always wears pink and recites poetry, it's not the Draco Malfoy I know, and not the one portrayed in the books by any means. If "Harry" is someone who hates all Muggleborns, cuts himself, and berates his friends, that is not the Harry I know and far from the one in the books.



And most of the posts about spelling errors? Are not meant in a mocking way. Sometimes it's "Oh, damn, that pulled me out of the story completely." Other times it's "Oh, haha, look, that's a pretty unfortunate mistake!" Rarely is it "OMG LOOK HOW STUPID THE AUTHOR IS THEY WROTE THIS WORD WRONG ONCE".



This entire post would be better off at [info]ffrants. But I guess I shouldn't expect you to heed that; clearly your objective was to offend and berate.

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[info]vzg
2006-10-20 08:00 pm UTC (link)
Oops, my mistake: [info]ffrantsrants.

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[info]vicky_v
2006-10-20 08:01 pm UTC (link)
I wonder if they'll be mod tags.

I will agree with you on the pairings front. Why? Because I've been settling into odd-ish couples lately.

On fanon, if you're familiar with DBZ, how does gangsta!pimp!paedophile!shags-anything-with-a-shadow!Piccolo sound? Because I found one.

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[info]viralmemory
2006-10-20 08:18 pm UTC (link)
I just got a mental image of Piccolo in a purple hat and long fuzzy coat saying "Where's my money bitch!" Needless to say, LOL.

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[info]hardlyfatal
2006-10-20 08:06 pm UTC (link)
So, basically you're reacting to others' intolerance with intolerance of your own? Way to rock that hypocracy, sweetie. Or are you only a proponent of differing takes on a subject if they jibe with your own personal view?

Also, and I know this will shock you, but ranting about something? Doesn't automatically make it universal law that if someone bitches about something at [info]fanficrants everyone's now irrevocably bound to obey and follow it. No, my sweet, all it means is that someone's bitching about something. Sometimes a cigar's just a cigar, y'know? And not a royal decree. You can still bastardize poor Draco as badly as you like, I promise.

I don't like slash, for example, and have made my opinion known to various and sundry quite a bit over the years. Yet note how there's still plenty of it around? That's because my complaining is not an imperial command. No one is obligated to do what I say.

In closing, I will glean a gem of wisdom from your very own post, above, and say: if you don't like seeing people complain about various issues, don't read them. Don't even come to this community. Just sit back and enjoy your freewheeling anything-goes fandom experience, and don't waste your time or effort on FFR.

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[info]krwalker
2006-10-20 08:19 pm UTC (link)
You just rocked my world, baby! Excellent thoughts!

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[info]sparky_ld
2006-10-20 08:14 pm UTC (link)
I write for two fandoms with silent protagonists, and one with a near-silent one. Characterization in fanfic can be especially fast and loose with silent protagonists, but even still, certain characterizations can be ridiculous without justification. With justification? Sure, why not. The amount needed varies, though.

FOR EXAMPLE, there's a difference between saying Samus Aran is depressed and drinks when she's not on a mission and saying Samus talks like a valley girl when she's not on a mission. I don't agree with either characterization, but I can follow the logic of the first; the second comes straight out of left field.

I don't know, maybe some author could eventually make Samus talk a valley girl off-mission and have it make sense. I don't know how, and to be honest I think something like that would take the fanfiction genius equivalent of Albert Einstein, but yes, perhaps it could be done. Just having that pop up randomly at the start of a story, though? No, that doesn't work and I will laugh at you.

Anyway, yes, that's what people are usually ranting about when they rant about OOC behavior. Someone who waltzes in at the start of a story and talks like a valley girl off-mission is not Samus - she's someone who stole Samus' suit, body, and identity, and the bounty hunter would like them back, please.

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[info]pretentioustfu
2006-10-21 02:53 am UTC (link)
WORD. You've drawn what the line is between canon and fanon and WTF DID YOU SEE very well. ^_^

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[info]toxictattoo
2006-10-20 08:24 pm UTC (link)
I'm having problems getting over the whole fanon thing. I mean, we all read and (hopefully) write fanfiction because we liked the characters. So, if you pull them out of character in your fic 'just because you feeeeel like it', I'm not sure how that character is now recognizable as coming from the canon.

I mean, it ends up being an original character and if you're writing a not-recongizable character in fanfiction, sort of defeats the purpose of writing fanfiction. Or so I think....

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[info]staubundsterne
2006-10-20 09:39 pm UTC (link)
So, if you pull them out of character in your fic 'just because you feeeeel like it', I'm not sure how that character is now recognizable as coming from the canon.

Mh, I feel similar about this. If you're not telling me why/how the characters I'm here for have changed so much, then I won't be very interested in the story. Not even in pr0n that features their look-alikes. Mostly.

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[info]katarik
2006-10-20 08:28 pm UTC (link)
Yes, characterization differs from person to person.

But, you know, there's 'hey, we think different things about X' and '... dude, what drugs were you smoking to think X would do Y?' Snape in a tutu is an example of 'what drugs were you smoking?' rants.

So. This is a rant comm. You're welcome to rant. You're also welcome to back off other peoples' rants and let us vent. If you don't like what we're saying? Don't read.

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Just because the idea kills me ded.
[info]allira_dream
2006-10-20 08:45 pm UTC (link)
"I hear that in Defense Against the Dark Arts, you're being... taught to confront your fears." Somehow, without raising his voice at all, Snape managed to make all the fourth years cringe. Perhaps it was because they knew what was coming.

Snape, hands still behind his back, focused his sneer at each one of them slowly. Veeery slowly.

"And I hear that one of you thought it'd be a good idea to copy Longbottom from Gryffindor, and pictured me wearing-" The temperature of the already cold room decreased tenfolds. "A tutu."

The girl who had pictured Snape in that tried to shrink herself. She was unfortunate enough that her desk partner sneezed and Snape focused his glare at them.

"You two. Detention for interrupting my class, until I consider you have learned your lesson."

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Re: Just because the idea kills me ded. - [info]katarik, 2006-10-20 08:49 pm UTC
Re: Just because the idea kills me ded. - [info]allira_dream, 2006-10-21 07:34 am UTC
Re: Just because the idea kills me ded. - [info]viralmemory, 2006-10-20 08:52 pm UTC
Re: Just because the idea kills me ded. - [info]allira_dream, 2006-10-21 07:34 am UTC
Re: Just because the idea kills me ded. - [info]chelonianmobile, 2006-10-21 12:00 pm UTC
Re: Just because the idea kills me ded. - [info]football_girl, 2006-10-21 02:32 pm UTC
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[info]tenshinofushigi
2006-10-20 08:37 pm UTC (link)
Characterization is, I agree, something that is subjective. But that doesn't mean people have to like it when others portray characters in way that really seem to violate the way they view the character. They have just as much right to dislike a portrayal as you do to dislike them for not liking that portrayal.

I'll keep my creaky old man voice in reserve in case this devolves into major wank.

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[info]football_girl
2006-10-21 02:34 pm UTC (link)
No, of course I'm not saying they don't have a right to dislike it. There is a difference between disliking and "flaming", and I can't get into a mindset of these people and figure out how: "I don't like it, thus it sucks and the author is an idiot." even works. Thank God.

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[info]agilebrit
2006-10-20 08:39 pm UTC (link)
Thing is, with FANfiction, characterization is key. If your characters have to be out of character for your plot to work...your plot doesn't work. All you're doing is dressing up Original Characters with the names, faces, and clothes (sometimes *head explodes imagining Snape in a tutu, and it's not even my fandom*) of the people we actually know and love.

If you want Angelus to give Spike a teddy bear, which Spike then carries about with him "everywhere they go" (to use a particularly egregious example in an actual fic I've had the displeasure of reading), then sell it. A good author can get away with nearly anything. But if I don't recognize the characters by their characterization, then it isn't FANfiction.

I like my crack!pairings as much as anyone else (Spike/Fred and Jayne/Zoe and Jayne/Illyria, anyone?), but at least when I'm writing those pairings, I create some sort of justification for them. Saying "he suddenly saw her in a new light" is a horrible shortcut and lazy storytelling.

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[info]allira_dream
2006-10-20 08:47 pm UTC (link)
Well, in Joss-verse, the whole seeing someone in a new light usually involves splodity or Apocalipsis anyway. ;) not the best thing for Twu Wuv, I don't think.

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[info]rekallthegreat
2006-10-20 08:56 pm UTC (link)
For those of us who think Draco should end up with Harry to be able to read/write about it.

Uh...you do realize it's possible to write Draco/Harry (or any other pairing for that matter) and keep them IC, right?

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[info]des_butterfly
2006-10-20 10:03 pm UTC (link)
That would be earth logic.

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[info]levikitty
2006-10-20 08:58 pm UTC (link)
This sounds like a grudge entry more than anything else.

What makes a fanfiction entertaining is how the characters we all know and love react to one another and to certain situations, or in the case of fanfics that contain OCs, how someone entirely new would react and be reacted to.

Otherwise you're just writing an original fic trying to get more hits and reviews by slapping on some names and looks of people everyone knows.

But then again, this is just repeating what everyone has already said.

If this doesn't make it to Fandom Wank, I'll be sorely disapopinted. D:

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[info]football_girl
2006-10-21 02:41 pm UTC (link)
What makes a fanfiction entertaining is how the characters we all know and love react to one another and to certain situations. --> For you, yes. Are you willing to make that generalisation for ALL fan-fiction writers out there? Because that's stupid.

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(no subject) - [info]lonnie_chan, 2006-10-21 08:06 pm UTC

[info]kyatto
2006-10-20 09:01 pm UTC (link)
*sniffs the air* Smells like my daily dose of wank. ^.^;;

The thing here is, chief, that this is a place for ALL kinds of fanfiction writers/readers to rant about fic. Not just the Canon-lovers or the Fanon-lovers. So yes, Canon-lovers may rant about Fanon, Het-lovers may rant about slash. Big flippin' deal. They're entitled to their own opinions. It's a fanfiction rant community.


...In my opinion. D:

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[info]football_girl
2006-10-21 02:42 pm UTC (link)
Het-lovers may rant about slash. --> Nope, that's against the community rules, actually.

Sure, rant about w/e you want. And I'll rant about whatever you rant about once in a while. We're all allowed to rant, aren't we?

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