fanficrants: Males

Jonathan Wrights (

lord_gribeau) wrote in

fanficrants,
@ 2005-10-11 18:11:00

Males
I'm male. I love being male.

And I'm annoyed at parts of the female fan fiction population, especially the quasi-academic, use-big-word female crowd. I'm annoyed at females who put down men in discussions regarding fan fiction. I'm annoyed at the portrayal of men in fan fiction.

If you're going to discuss men, INVITE THEM TO THE TABLE. If you look through some of the conversations on the big meta and fic journals that discuss gender, slash, & reading habits of the fan fiction writing community, you frequently see a lot of women, females, girls. Rarely do you see any men. These women, you know who I mean, will talk and talk about men. And they'll subtlely bash my wonderful gender. They'll say that isn't it wonderful that women can identify with characters regardless of gender and men can't do that. Shove it female fans with your elitist feminine attitudes! Men can relate to female characters just as well as women can relate to male characters. Some men can. Some women can't. And your brother, husband, lover, gay male friend, father do not represent all males. Get a larger pool. Men can do romance. Straight men can watch two gay guys screwing on screen with out going all homophobic on people's asses. There are some wonderful anime shows with two guys in a relationship that have male audiences. Your female bashing of men as being uninterested in romance is hurtful to men because it reinforces negative stereotypes.

So stop your discriminating. Stop your talking about our gender without actually asking our opinions or getting us involved in those discussions. Stop putting down our gender in order to put yours up.

You'd think fan fiction writers and slash writers, would know better than to do this but it just isn't so. Learn and stop the playa hating male bashing that exists in too many fan fiction communities. We see you even if we're not saying it!

ETA: Seriously, though, gender stereotyping is wrong. Very true,

revelininsanity. I think I just needed to rant/vent for a while.

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	quettaser 2005-10-11 11:29 pm UTC (link)
	Word. There really aren't enough vocal men in the fanfiction community. Luckily, my main fandom has many active men who are loud about gender equality in fiction and the fandom itself. There's this double-standard beginning to emerge where the women writers are commiting all the sins that men writers did on the shows that drove most of us to fanfiction in the first place. (Reply to this)

	skyler_daemon 2005-10-11 11:29 pm UTC (link)
	May this female appluad you for doing this. I know of a few male writers who can be just as good at writing and dealing with characters of both genders and frankly those type of writers get on my nerves as well. They make my gender look so bad at times. >. (Reply to this)

	sorakh28 2005-10-11 11:31 pm UTC (link)
	Despite being a closet feminist, I applaud you for standing up to your fellow men. I also hate descrimination. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	felinephoenix 2005-10-12 12:15 am UTC (link)
	Yes, because all feminists hate men, right? The ones who are real feminists don't. Just ignore the ones who give us a bad name. [/Not-a-Closet-Feminist] (Reply to this) (Parent)

	shanaqui 2005-10-11 11:44 pm UTC (link)
	"4. I've known a lot of men in my life. A lot of them WERE jerks. Why can't I represent that in faictionas well as noble types?" Amen to that. Every guy I've dated has been a jerk. x_x; I've never met a one that was nice about breaking up, for example. (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

	gal_montag 2005-10-11 11:37 pm UTC (link)
	My question, where are y'all? Speak up, man! I've rarely seen a male fanficcer since I was deep into anime back in the day. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	kutsuwamushi 2005-10-12 01:59 am UTC (link)
	It's kind of hard to invite people to join a discussion if you don't know where they are. I'm having a hard time figuring out how the lack of male fans taking part is the female fans' fault. (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

	meliadoul 2005-10-11 11:50 pm UTC (link)
	I didn't realise that some female fic writers discriminate men. If anything a few of them descriminate against woman by turning the females characters into bitches or just killing them off while praising the male characters. (Reply to this)

	Counting down to wank. . . millyfan 2005-10-11 11:56 pm UTC (link)
	5. . .4. . . I've got the boobies, anyone got the popcorn? (Reply to this) (Thread)

	Re: Counting down to wank. . . felinephoenix 2005-10-12 12:13 am UTC (link)
	Mmm, I do. Want extra butter? (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

	fencer_x 2005-10-12 12:04 am UTC (link)
	There's probably a line by now, but what the heck: Marry me? (Reply to this) (Thread)

	seiberwing 2005-10-12 02:49 am UTC (link)
	What the frag is that icon? (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

	raptorscribe 2005-10-12 12:09 am UTC (link)
	Is this why most people at fan-fic discussion communities assume I'm a girl? (Reply to this) (Thread)

	vampslayer04 2005-10-12 12:21 am UTC (link)
	Probably. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	Re: Hmm. revelininsanity 2005-10-12 02:34 am UTC (link)
	Characterization. I love it. :glomps you: (Reply to this) (Parent)

	mhari 2005-10-12 01:30 am UTC (link)
	...Okay, okay! I confess! I just couldn't help myself. It was the PMS. (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

	peace_piper 2005-10-12 01:18 am UTC (link)
	Word. I'd like to see more men in my fandoms. I get a bit sick of dealing with many women and the things they talk about as described above. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	kannaophelia 2005-10-12 09:24 am UTC (link)
	I know, and I understand your pain. It must be so hard for you, having to deal with women and women talking about things and everything. If you're really unlucky, they might even talk about their periods. (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

	ginalin 2005-10-12 01:34 am UTC (link)
	I must be an exception. Most of the men I know are great. I have more issues with female friends than male friends, and always have. As a fanfiction writer, I actually have to more careful not to make my women characters too bitchy. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	skyrat13 2005-10-12 02:30 am UTC (link)
	wow. I'm female, and I can't relate to female anime characters. I only write fanfic in a male voice. Weird. But then, my boyfriend has been known to appreciate yaoi and cries when Superman and Lois Lane get together..... I think you have been looking in entirely the wrong journals.... (Reply to this) (Thread)

	kinneas 2005-10-13 06:07 pm UTC (link)
	I think you have a pussy boyfriend. (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

	revelininsanity 2005-10-12 02:39 am UTC (link)
	elitist feminine attitudes! Sure, as soon as you knock it off with your dominator model masculine tendencies. Seriously, I understand your anger, but to tell you the truth, I think you'll have as much success here as I do when I point out to my guy friends that most comic book and fan artists seem to never have seen real breats. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	revelininsanity 2005-10-12 02:50 am UTC (link)
	*Breasts. Because I can spell. No really. Seriously, though, gender stereotyping is wrong. Remember, for every Rayek, there is a Redlance. AND I HAVE SPENT THE PAST TWO YEARS LOOKING FOR MINE! I CURSE YOU, WINNIPEG, FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY BLACKENED HEART! (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

	WORD mhari 2005-10-12 03:09 am UTC (link)
	I would like to renew my subscription to your newsletter. :) (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

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	ruriruri 2005-10-12 03:24 am UTC (link)
	I can honestly say that one of the best fanfics I ever read was by a guy. Gunslinger Girl fandom, no less. I agree with you. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	vampirenaomi 2005-10-12 01:27 pm UTC (link)
	Battlezone by Nachtsider? (Reply to this) (Parent)

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