Miranda ([info]pinned_up) wrote in [info]equestrian,
@ 2005-07-11 21:34:00
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[I am sure I will get yelled at for posting this and it will probably get deleted, but this needs to be said. There are several members that act like they are the dictionary for the equestrian world. I, along with several other members, am sick of their negative comments, attitudes and scolding. And I'm going to stand up and say something because I want it to stop. These people are ruining this community.]

Seriously.

Do [some of] you have nothing to do but criticize other members? I wish there was a limit to how many negative comments users could give out in a week and if people exceeded them they were banned.

It's obvious that we are from all over the world. In other parts of the world ::gasp:: people do things differently. We shouldn't chastize nor try to correct them. If people ask for help, then by all means, give them the advice! And, discussion of said given advice is great too, it's how we learn, but don't put down the person giving it because they might not share the same opinion as you! Have we all lost our manners? Do we even remember the definition of the word "respect?"

Think of what you're saying to these other members this way: Was it fun when Mom/Dad/Teacher/Sibling/Trainer/Kid from school put you down? Did you really learn anything from that? No, but you lost some self esteem and pride, I bet. Instead, were you more receptive to kind words of criticism given with respect towards you? Don't lie, the answer is yes, unless you're masochistic.

Sure, you're "just trying to help" or "they may not know it's dangerous." Fair enough. Maybe these equestrians are aware of the dangers and choose to do whatever they're doing "wrong" anyway. Or, maybe in their part of the world that is how things are done, yelling at them won't change it. I don't care if you have had horses for 20+ years or train or instruct, you just might not know the answer. Or, you might be wrong all together yourself. And, in not giving other members respect, creative license to train their horses how they see fit, you are hurting people's feelings, talking to deaf ears and annoying the hell out of the rest of us.

Also, FOR GOD'S SAKE, IF SOMEONE DOESN'T ASK FOR HELP OR A CRITIC [i.e. they're just posting pictures or a short story about their day] DON'T JUMP DOWN THEIR THROAT AND TELL THEM HOW HORRIBLE THEY ARE! I don't know how many times I've clicked on some pictures only to find comments about how the horse is tied wrong, or could step on their lead [Oh no, so they step on their lead. Most just jerk their head and back up. It isn't a big deal, no one is dying.] or "OH MY GOD! WHY AREN'T YOU WEARING A HELMET?!?! SURELY, YOU WILL DIE IMMEDIATELY!" Yes, for some of us, helmets keep our brains inside our skulls. But we most definitely have the right to either wear them or not [Depending on barn and show rules, of course.] and who gives anyone the right to tell us otherwise? Certainly not the members of a horse community on the INTERNET.

If you just can't stop hovering over other members like a first time mother, try to find a better way to word your woes. Don't berate them. Use suggestions, positive thoughts/words... No one responds well to a pushy, "you are so wrong and you are just the worst equestrian ever!" type comments.

How you train, show, what you wear or don't wear, do or don't do with your horse, use for voice commands, how you bathe, clip or load is how YOU do those things. You don't need to constantly interject with how YOU do these things unless relevant. Telling someone who just wrote about how fantastic their ride was that they "should have cued with their right inside leg to get them to blah blah blah" just isn't necessary. They are YOUR opinions, not things that are set in gold for all of us to follow.

So, in closing, please, stop being everyone's moms and dads and let us enjoy our horses, post our pictures, write about our days, make jokes and ask questions without making us feel like we missed curfew because we were shooting up behind the gas station.

Use these words to help you: Treat others the way you want to be treated. If you would feel bad or mad that someone said what some of you guys have said to memebers, then don't say it.



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[info]xxloveispainxx
2005-07-12 02:15 am UTC (link)
THANK YOU!

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[info]pinned_up
2005-07-12 02:16 am UTC (link)
^_^

Welcome.

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(no subject) - [info]bighooves, 2005-07-12 04:08 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]pinned_up, 2005-07-12 05:33 pm UTC

[info]gracelessiv
2005-07-12 02:16 am UTC (link)
Is is wrong of me to say I love you? 'cause I do. You rock, and said everything that's kept me from posting. I keep looking at my pictures, picking them apart, 'cause I know I'd be throwing myself to the wolves here. Horse people are awesomely amazing, but protective of their world...

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[info]pinned_up
2005-07-12 02:19 am UTC (link)
I just got so fed up with some people acting so high and mighty. None of us are on the Olympic Teams or in horse magazines, have videos or whatever giving professional advice. And even those that are don't act or say some of the things said in this community... It's just sad.

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[info]k7point5
2005-07-12 02:18 am UTC (link)
Well said. I agree 150%.

People are much more receptive to suggestions and constructive criticism if it's all gone about in a civilised fashion. No one wants to get yelled at, but I think we can all agree that we all want to learn as much as possible about horses, which is what I think these communities are really great at offering a chance to do.

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[info]remix22
2005-07-12 02:18 am UTC (link)
YOU GO GIRL!
*round of applause*

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[info]pinned_up
2005-07-12 02:19 am UTC (link)
^_^

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[info]ohpoodle
2005-07-12 02:18 am UTC (link)
AMEN! No one knows it all.

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[info]pinned_up
2005-07-12 02:21 am UTC (link)
But some of us act like it, unfortunately.

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[info]kinkybeaver
2005-07-12 02:19 am UTC (link)
Wow... AMEN! That couldn't have been said better... THANK YOU!

"OH MY GOD! WHY AREN'T YOU WEARING A HELMET?!?! SURELY, YOU WILL DIE IMMEDIATELY!"

lmao.

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[info]pinned_up
2005-07-12 02:20 am UTC (link)
Heh, that's my sense of humor about the whole situation popping out. I just find these people who think they know everything so comical.

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[info]ash87star
2005-07-12 02:19 am UTC (link)
thank you for saying something.

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[info]moonshadow881
2005-07-12 02:22 am UTC (link)
Hear, hear.

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[info]nattie_dino
2005-07-12 02:22 am UTC (link)
I totally Agree! :) Thanks for posting this, I dont even post on here because I dont have a horse but when i do get one I hope the community is a little changed because i dont want negative feedback

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[info]reiterin
2005-07-12 02:25 am UTC (link)
thank you!!

certain memebers on here seem to believe that they are god's gift to horses.. it is so irritating...it needs to stop. i shouldn't have to feel hesistant to post advice/comments/pictures/etc... =)

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[info]pinned_up
2005-07-12 02:26 am UTC (link)
That's how I feel, too. No one is perfect and no one way of doing things is perfect. So why are these people acting like theirs is?

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(no subject) - [info]reiterin, 2005-07-12 02:47 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]pinned_up, 2005-07-12 03:16 am UTC

[info]starsand
2005-07-12 02:26 am UTC (link)
Thanks. This is exactly why I only reply to comments rather than make my own posts.

Also why I try to keep my comments at "well, you might want to try this instead of what you're doing" or "I don't think there's any harm in..." or "I've seen people do what you're doing and it wasn't working so they tried.." even if someone is doing something that (in the way I've been taught) is dangerous/sacreligious.

Some people do things their own way, some people do things the wrong way and it works, and some people get hurt/die doing things the wrong or right way, but it's their right to do so.

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[info]pinned_up
2005-07-12 02:28 am UTC (link)
Right on. Now, if we could all only do this...

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[info]connaissent
2005-07-12 02:31 am UTC (link)
Amen.

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[info]horsewoman
2005-07-12 02:33 am UTC (link)
Amen sister. This is why you hardly ever see me post.

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[info]x_fallen_for
2005-07-12 02:33 am UTC (link)
i completely agree....but my question is that if everyone's agreeing...why is it happening? not trying to be a smart arse -wanders back into her corner-...<333 you! very well said.

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[info]pinned_up
2005-07-12 02:35 am UTC (link)
I'm also wondering this.

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(no subject) - [info]moonshadow881, 2005-07-12 02:36 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]skittlewoman, 2005-07-12 04:15 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]x_fallen_for, 2005-07-12 04:58 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]buddyzcowgurl, 2005-07-12 06:01 pm UTC

[info]januari
2005-07-12 02:39 am UTC (link)
thanks so much for saying that. it so needed to be said.

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[info]erindelicious
2005-07-12 02:40 am UTC (link)
do you remember the post i made of my horses longeing? and before the cut i said something along the lines of "Oh! dont worry! i made sure i tied the longe line securely around my waist so that i wouldn't risk dropping the camera," as a point to the people who do jump down others throats for such things. because i imagined about 10comments pretaining to "that wasn't safe to longe and take pictures at the same time!"
some girls took me seriously, which was funny but for the most part...everyone got my point.

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[info]pinned_up
2005-07-12 03:17 am UTC (link)
I do remember that post. It was hilarious. And even more hilarious was that people took you seriously. It's like they LOOK for things to point out.

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(no subject) - [info]erindelicious, 2005-07-12 03:19 am UTC

[info]poisonous__
2005-07-12 02:47 am UTC (link)
BRAVO BRAVO!!!!! if saying "I love you for that beautifully worded and totally true post" is wrong, then I don't wanna be right!

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[info]tabascokat
2005-07-12 03:26 am UTC (link)
would you please cross post that, to every friggin horse community, on LJ????
please????

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[info]veltraz
2005-07-12 03:55 am UTC (link)
You're my hero.

Although I'm sure I'm being a hypocrite, like everyone likes to call me. But hey, sorry. I apologize to everyone if I've ever given advice in a harsh way. I try not to critique people, but if something really stands out, I say something. Some people need it though. I personally don't like it when people try to say something about how I care for my horse, so I'm not going to say anything to anyone from here on out. If your horse is pretty, good job. Otherwise, I'm done. lol

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[info]reiterin
2005-07-12 04:16 am UTC (link)
Although I'm sure I'm being a hypocrite, like everyone likes to call me.

ugh, hypocrite. ;)

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[info]skittlewoman
2005-07-12 04:18 am UTC (link)
Perfectly worded.

Thank-you for being the voice for the meek and/or verbally inept. ;)

"So, in closing, please, stop being everyone's moms and dads and let us enjoy our horses, post our pictures, write about our days, make jokes and ask questions without making us feel like we missed curfew because we were shooting up behind the gas station."
I particularly enjoyed this bit. And completely agree.

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[info]reiterin
2005-07-12 04:18 am UTC (link)
i guess everything will be going back to normal.. thank god.

http://www.livejournal.com/community/horse_photos/212325.html

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[info]moonshadow881
2005-07-12 04:37 am UTC (link)
Someone's a little big for her riding britches. (I crack myself up.)

I took the liberty of skimming through her journal, and in the only picture of her riding, her arms are straight at the elbows and she's got puppy-dog hands.

Made me smile.

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(no subject) - [info]reiterin, 2005-07-12 04:41 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]buddyzcowgurl, 2005-07-12 06:07 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]moonshadow881, 2005-07-12 06:25 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]buddyzcowgurl, 2005-07-12 07:52 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]tabascokat, 2005-07-12 06:40 pm UTC
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[info]_kirbylicious_
2005-07-12 04:49 am UTC (link)
I love you for posting this. Mind if I add you?

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[info]pinned_up
2005-07-12 12:38 pm UTC (link)
no, please do add me. i'll do the same. ^_^

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[info]luvliie
2005-07-12 04:52 am UTC (link)
lol. okay i just love you. seriously. that needed to be said. :) maybe someone should make a community for critiquing horses or whatever, so we can send them all over there and let them argue about who's right and wrong!

i might actually post now :)

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[info]moonshadow881
2005-07-12 04:56 am UTC (link)
Hah. The irony here is that there ARE communities like that. Several, in fact.

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(no subject) - [info]luvliie, 2005-07-12 05:13 am UTC

[info]kind_nepenthe
2005-07-12 06:59 am UTC (link)
I haven't seen any of the people that normally do such thing, make a comment on here. Wonder why? Hahaha.

Remember all the comments we made and posts about this earlier? It doesn't seem to help. Maybe we need to start naming people if this doesn't work.

" Hey! *insert user name here* stfu!!"

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[info]pinned_up
2005-07-12 12:40 pm UTC (link)
I totally agree. I think we should start calling out the people who are doing this. I didn't in the post because I really didn't feel like getting banned, as I do like the community. Just without those bitchy losers...

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[info]blackmarketpony
2005-07-12 07:32 am UTC (link)
look, i see your point, but on the other hand, people need to quit being so sensitive. it is, after all, ONLY TEH INTARWEB, and i, for one, don't always feel like watching my mouth. i want to be blunt and honest and not mince words. mostly i don't mean to offend; i mean to joke. people have a tendency to flip out whenever i open my mouth.

and sometimes i just get sick of idiots, and i have to rip someone a new one. in that case, i definitely think you're right and i *should* keep it to myself. but on the other hand, there's no sense everyone getting their panties all in a wad just because a few people on the online are cunts.

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[info]pinned_up
2005-07-12 12:48 pm UTC (link)
It's not that we have our "panties in a wad." It's that we're sick of people who think that they know everything about horses. I never said giving advice was bad, in fact I said it was a good thing if given in the right way. But why should anyone have to be subjected to a handful of people who think they have the right to go off on someone for whatever reason.

Just like someone said in an earlier post, we all that the choice to do things "right" or "wrong" and if we get hurt or die from doing it either way it's our progitive.

No one joined this community to get treated like children or to have others act like they're God's gift to the horse world. That is what the post is about. That is what we're sick of. And sometimes not feeling like watching your mouth and being blunt and honest isn't that great. Maybe they flip out because they're sick of how you're wording things. Trying to help and being mean are two different things. In all honesty, do you appreciate it when people rip you apart when you don't ask for it?

I'm not trying to start a war, I'm just trying to make people see that it's annoying and rude and unneeded for people to make some of the comments they do. It's obvious from the comments above that many other people feel the same way. And some of those people DON'T POST because they don't want to get bashed. And that's just said.

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