crazyharp81602 ([info]crazyharp81602) wrote in [info]endcreationism,
@ 2008-04-22 22:41:00
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Here's another comment about Expelled
How about this one.

I not only since much anger, I get the idea that most people think that this is a religious movie. Many of the people in the film were not Christian. Last night at Southwestern Seminary in Fort Worth I attended a lecture by David Berlinski in which someone asked, if he, with his beliefs in intelligent design, would ever consider Christianity, and he flat out denied that he could ever become a Christian.
I already realize at this point that many of you are going to jump on the band wagon that all religion does is leave us with something to cling to when we are scared, or is the main motivation of war. The truth is, throughout all of history not only has there been violence done in the name of God, there has been violence done without invoking the name of God. I guess John Lennon’s song was wrong.
The debate is not about creationism verses evolution. It is about intelligent design verses evolution. There was, at no point in the film, an argumentation for a literal six day creation as recorded in Genesis. These people were simply challenging the orthodoxy of Darwinism and saying that Darwinism does not explain the origin of life. However, as I look at site after site, reading the anti-ID material, I see more bigotry coming from your side.
I wish to respond to this comment ,
“The damage that this movie has done is quite apparent, should you encounter internet creationists who’ve seen this movie. With a sudden surge of confidence, the most devestating tactic they’ve learned from this movie is the belligerant use of speculative ad hominems. “What are you so afraid of?” “Why are Darwinists so angry?” “If intelligent design is so stupid, why are you spending so much time talking about it?” “Why are you trying to silence new ideas?” Yeah. Thanks, Ben Stein. Now the creationists are even stupider than they were before.”
Propoents of ID do have a right to exist and those questions are indeed valid. You resort to calling them stupid. In a postmodern society, do not both the ID proponents and evolution proponents deserve to have an equal playing field in the realm of science? Teach evolution, there is not a problem, but allow people to have opposing views. I am neither a scientist nor a philosopher. I am striving to be a theologian. I must say that there is nothing that seems scientific to me about closing out evidential arguments simply because that do not fit the Darwinian orthodoxy. I can accuse all of you of the same bigotry that is often extended toward me.


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[info]mercuryblue144
2008-04-23 02:58 am UTC (link)
Yeah, just like there's nothing at all scientific about closing out evidential arguments that don't fit the heliocentric orthodoxy. And no, evolution doesn't explain abiogenesis. This is no more a mark against evolution than Newton's Three Laws failing to explain relativity is a mark against classical gravitational theories.

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[info]istril
2008-04-23 04:51 am UTC (link)
...do not both the ID proponents and evolution proponents deserve to have an equal playing field in the realm of science?

Absolutely. When ID comes up with a theory they'd like to test, and it is, you know, testable, I'd completely support funding it.

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[info]istril
2008-04-23 04:57 am UTC (link)
BTW where is this comment posted at? ...cannot... resist ... urge to combat ignorance...

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[info]crazyharp81602
2008-04-23 05:17 am UTC (link)
I deleted it. It was posted here on this page.

Expelled The Film Sucks!

But I deleted it because on my blog I have a policy of deleting creationist and pro-ID comments because of my zero tolerance towards them and their malicious and slanderous hypocrisy. No matter how many times we try to talk, yell, and scream sense into those creationists, they still won't understand let alone take listen to what we say and take them into consideration.

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[info]raikoala
2008-04-23 05:23 am UTC (link)
"Most people want to keep science in a little box where it can't possibly touch god!" ... does this sound familiar to your commenter?!

Expelled seems to just be adding more ignorance to the ignorance. It's amazing in a really sad way.

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[info]crazyharp81602
2008-04-23 05:28 am UTC (link)
"Most people want to keep science in a little box where it can't possibly touch god!"

No more different than creationists wanting to keep God in a little box where He can't touch the realities behind science and religion.

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[info]crazyharp81602
2008-04-23 05:31 am UTC (link)
"...does this sound familiar to your commenter?!"

It does. Everything commenter says all have creationism written all over it regardless of what he says.

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[info]raikoala
2008-04-23 06:00 am UTC (link)
When reading stuff like "Many of the people in the film were not Christian" I really just love posting this quote from Ben Stein. It's like he does all the work for me. :D :D

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[info]sublate
2008-04-23 06:26 am UTC (link)
Man, how disingenuous. He wants to say it's not a religious movie because Berlinski isn't Christian. But Berlinski, like Stein, is a politically conservative Jew. If anything, this movie showed that more just conservative Christians are interested in pushing pseudoscience.

Even worse, Berlinski isn't a biologist, he's a mathematician. As Michael Shermer noted in "Why People Believe Weird Things", whenever highly intelligent and educated people start moving outside their area of expertise, they're just as susceptible to the same logical and reasoning errors as anyone else.

I agree that ID proponents have the right to exist. They just don't have the right to call it science. Call it a philosophy, or more accurately a teleological philosophy, but don't call it science.

I'll give him one point. At least he didn't say ID is non-religious on one hand then call evolution an atheist conspiracy on the other. That always bugs me. If ID isn't religious, then why do they need to associate evolution with atheism?

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[info]vaecrius
2008-04-23 07:07 am UTC (link)
Zombies, I say!

It really is like they're all controlled by a spam bot algorithm that cranks out slightly different ways of saying the same seeding set of shitty arguments!

...to be fair, though, I'd never heard one of them say that some prominent zombie was not only non-Christian but would staunchly refuse to accept Christ as their personal Saviour andallthat. But then again, Christianity hardly has a monopoly on zombification.

::insert neocon pundit crap here blaming all Christians for not openly decrying their zombies and staying silent just like how moderate Muslims are supporting terrorists::

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[info]istril
2008-04-25 04:44 am UTC (link)
"It really is like they're all controlled by a spam bot algorithm that cranks out slightly different ways of saying the same seeding set of shitty arguments!"

Classic.

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[info]rowancrisp
2008-04-23 07:42 am UTC (link)
"The debate is not about creationism verses evolution. It is about intelligent design verses evolution."

Wow.

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Why call it ID?
[info]tj642
2008-04-23 09:14 am UTC (link)
It's more of a difference between INTELLEGENCE and Stupidity. Geez, it's like they can't add: 1 + 1 = 3!

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[info]nodding_folk
2008-04-24 12:10 am UTC (link)
Wow, who know the "orthodoxy of Darwinism" said that "Darwinism" explained the origin of life?

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[info]noparkingcomic
2008-04-24 09:11 pm UTC (link)
I've never considered "and an unknown force did it" as a valid part of any scientific equation. Science should ask questions, propose a possible answer to the question, and then find facts and data that either proves or disproves the theory. "An all powerful creator" is not a fact that can be proved, so it can not be used to support any theory you come up with.

I was explaining that to someone a few years ago and the person said "that's the part where faith comes into play". There is no faith in science either, you either have facts or you don't.

Some (most) of these I.D. people are going on faith, and sometimes no amount of logic of facts can persuade them their scientifically wrong because of that.

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